The Imperious Chairman-A TL

And with that turmoil and chaos in Germany, the old elites are likely to align themselves with the faction they deem as a lesser threat to their own position. "We can manage him...". And yet it was so close, only a few votes more and they could have held the line. :(

Oh well, a history of a Popular Front opposition to the Nazis will have strong impact on the way this era of German history will be seen by postwar generations.
 
And with that turmoil and chaos in Germany, the old elites are likely to align themselves with the faction they deem as a lesser threat to their own position. "We can manage him...". And yet it was so close, only a few votes more and they could have held the line. :(

Oh well, a history of a Popular Front opposition to the Nazis will have strong impact on the way this era of German history will be seen by postwar generations.

I hadn't thought about how the Popular Front would be thought of by future generations.

Hitler has certainly won big but he still has several enemies, such as General Kurt von Schleicher.;)
 
It's good to see that the KPD of this timeline is not tainted with the fatuous indifference to the prospect of Nazi takeover shown OTL, summarized by Thällman's infamous line, "After Hitler--us!":rolleyes:

The dark side of Sverdlov's epiphany regarding the priority that had to be given to beating Hitler is of course that he doesn't recognize the viperous danger that the Nazi Party, and Hitler himself, pose in their own right--he merely sees them as the latest front of capitalist rule--which is not too far from how Stalin saw them OTL. The only thing special about a Nazi takeover in Germany from Sverdlov's point of view is that Germany might be permitted to arm itself, provided those arms were turned eastward against the Soviet Union--thus, the capitalists gain a whole new army devoted solely (on Sverdlov's theory) to attacking the Worker's State--one that the other established Entente powers might discreetly support as needed while maintaining some level of plausible deniability of complicity with German aggression eastward (against the criticism of their own left-wing elements in the populace). If the Germans in this scenario do well, the Soviet Union is discredited as well as being mortally mauled; then the Entente capitalist leadership can step forward openly about their support for the anti-Red crusade and count on the pro-Soviet elements of their own peoples to be demoralized and diminished enough to be managed by repressive measures. If on the other hand the German assault is countered and stalemated, from the Entente powers' point of view German lives and treasure are expendable, whereas if the Red Army actually gets the upper hand and threatens to start seizing German (or any other nation's) soil the Entente might come forth then as protectors of national sovereignty and freedom against the Red hordes, again defusing populist outrage.

If we wonder, "what populist outrage?" well, rather than trying to prove the Soviet Union had many friends, let me just reiterate this is Sverdlov's thinking. As a Bolshevik and leader of the Third International, he believes, or anyway wants to believe, that large numbers of the Western working classes are either on the verge of revolutionary consciousness or in the vanguard already aware--that the tinder of the working classes of the developed capitalist nations must be near-ready to burst into red flame, as it after all was in Russia, as after all Red coups had occurred in Europe in the aftermath of the Great war--and these working class people are suffering the doldrums of the Great Depression too. It doesn't have to be objectively true for the Bolshevik leadership to still believe it--and I think that yes, the Communists did have some friends in the West in this period OTL.

So Sverdlov probably sees Western politics in general as a charade meant to by various turns mollify or intimidate the working classes into a lessened sense of class conciousness.

Now if the Kremlin troika had taken complete leave of their senses regarding the actual "correlation of power" in Germany, they'd have pushed for the KPD to try for a coup. Since they aren't doing that they have to be aware that there simply isn't sufficiently broad popular support in Germany for them to win--certainly not considering the almost inevitable reaction of France and Britain against any such worker's revolt.

If there were no imminent threat of a dangerous form of right-wing authoritarian takeover, it might make sense for the KPD to remain aloof of effective engagement in the machinery of the bourgeois state, maintaining revolutionary purity. Note I said "effective" engagement; OTL the German Communists were not such purists as to ignore electoral politics of course; they had significant numbers in the Reichstag--but they did not enter into effective coalitions with other parties (there being only one party they reasonably could have done so with, the SD) and participate in government on capitalist terms. Their electoral work was mainly a means of rallying support for their revolutionary program by demonstrating their strength in numbers--and also had effects on the decisions taken by the other parties that did involve themselves in political wheeling and dealing. And they could vote on items on the agenda of course, and even exercise the other parliamentary rights of legislators. But by refusing to make deals while Germany remained a capitalist, bourgeois state and society, they raised the banner of the transformed future world they fought for. This was a perfectly viable tack (provided that a lot of working people really did place their hope in radical transformation, and that there were prospects of increasing the number of workers who did so) as long as Germany remained essentially liberal--as long as the Communist Party had a right to maintain its organization, hold meetings, hold rallies, etc. If Germany were to go Fascist along Italian lines, the Party would be driven underground; if they were not able to prevent this by fighting, they could only be effective by subversion, and would be organizationally decimated since the best comrades would be those who were publicly known as Communists, and thus targeted by the new regime.

This risk was understood OTL too; the difference is that Sverdlov is looking ahead, five to ten years down the line, when fascist Germany might be used as a weapon against the USSR. OTL the Stalinist line was that there was little difference between liberal, even moderate socialist, parties and outright fascists, because all were committed to maintain capitalism and capitalism was on one hand an implacable foe of the worker's revolution--but on the other hand, doomed by inevitable historical evolution, in the form of inexorable growth of revolutionary class consciousness of the working class. Any bourgeois regime would inevitably leave working people with irreconcilable grievances that leave them just one way out--revolution. The fact that fascist forms of bourgeois society would decimate open forms of class organization would be offset by sharpening the conflict, and in the end since the working people are not only the majority but also the producers of all wealth and increasingly (as capitalist competition polarizes all society into a handful of owners and proletarianizes even the former middle classes) places the levers of social organization in the hands of those with "nothing to lose but their chains." Hence Thällman's OTL confidence that the Nazi regime would be short-lived and the final step that would prepare a sufficiently large number of Germans to either become committed Communists or anyway look to a Communist takeover with hope.

For the Communists then to turn to actively supporting and maintaining the machinery of a bourgeois society would be a betrayal of their credentials as the vanguard of the people's revolution; it could be justified only if there was reason to think that the fascist turn could form a third way, one that could strike effectively at the process of rising revolutionary consciousness and reverse it.

Here Sverdlov does believe this is possible--but he only thinks it is because the capitalists of Western Europe as a whole will be using the Nazis as a front to cover their cynical ploy to craft Germany into an anti-Soviet weapon, not because he foresees or understands how deep the control of German society the Nazis can manage on their own.

I've often wondered if a Red-Red alliance of KPD and SD could have stopped Hitler's bid for power, and generally assumed it would, based on the numbers the two parties together held in the Reichstag. OTL the Nazi Party actually lost ground in the last election held; I believe that they had reached their limit in terms of numbers of people who would actually commit to their extremist, illiberal program without reservations, and it fell short of the number who would remain committed to Marxism.

What happened here ITTL then is I suppose, that although Thällman could see the need urged on him by the Kremlin to make a truce with other Marxists who had taken a more reformist road, neither he nor the Soviet troika leadership understood the need to go beyond that and extend the truce to a significant number of liberal bourgeois as well. If for instance the strategy had been to persuade the Catholic Centre that they needed the Reds to maintain a balanced system but that the Nazis were too dangerous to work with, the resulting coalition would have been unstoppable. This particular constellation would probably be absurd since the Centre would have more obvious reason to fear Communists than Nazis (not having foresight as to what the latter could and would do, and knowing what Communists were potentially capable of, and often boasted of planning to do). But I guess, when I figure that an SD-KPD coalition would maintain its numbers in elections and govern on its own, I also figure that the coalition does reach out to key capitalist figures and put forth a program that maintains essential liberal institutions in principle, holding out hope among the more progressive industrialists that the radical program will be limited to reforms that can also strengthen German industry, in the context of the emergency of the Depression, and that other German voters who do prefer a liberal order will see the Marxists as being properly committed to maintaining a liberal order, for the moment.

This very obviously did not happen here. It is not clear to me how much the rise in votes for Nazis is supposed to be a simple reaction in fear of a reunified radical Left, how much it is supposed to be a response to clever Nazi propaganda (mentioned in the post, but surely they did their best OTL as well, with caricatures of Stalin in Sverdlov's place, and yet did not gain numbers for it) and how much it is due to Thällman or even enthusiastic SDs saying or doing things that reinforce the fear of the Left.

I suppose the next post will clarify how the Marxist coalition deals with the upcoming Nazi repression.

I certainly do think it makes a difference in the history and perception of Communists ITTL that when the crisis came, they did try to fight to preserve a liberal society against rightist repression. If we get an edition of the Spanish Civil War here, quite conceivably Soviet aid to the Republican side might be more effective in that the Soviets might do more coalition building and be less insistent on taking control, and that might tip the balance against Franco and result in a pro-Soviet, leftist Spain. There might also be more traction for Popular Front sentiment in the West against Hitler's later schemes such as the takeover of Czechoslovakia--perhaps not enough to derail a betrayal along the lines of Munich OTL.

However--bear in mind the exact nature of Sverdlov's apprehensions about Hitler--he doesn't see Hitler as being capable of taking over Germany in his own right, only as the catspaw of a shadowy international conspiracy of capital. Thus in subsequent years he is going to be blaming the leadership of the very liberal states he could hope to form a Popular Front with; it would be futile, probably, to persuade them to drop the tool they have forged against the Soviet Union. Instead I suppose the appeal will be to rival parties with leftist credentials to toss out their corrupt rightist leadership, or anyway watch what they do. Naturally people like Baldwin or Neville Chamberlin will resent the insinuation that Hitler is somehow "theirs!":eek::rolleyes:
 
Excerpt from Hitler's Germany by Ian Kershaw​
The elections of 1930 showed just how far Wiemar democracy had fallen. The Nazis had risen from one of the smallest parties in the Reichstag to the second largest...
True OTL, but the NSDAP was still less than 20%. The SPD was only 24.5%
As per the Constitution elections were scheduled for December 20th...
20 December 1930? That would be close to the OTL Sept 1930 elections.
... the Nazis won big... 39% of the vote, giving them 234 seats and making them the largest party in the Reichstag...
This has the NSDAP more than doubling its OTL 1930 vote. Unless the economic situation has gone bad much sooner than OTL, this is problematic.
The SPD won 149 seats and the KPD won 72; for a combined total of 221 seats. The next largest party was the Centre Party with 75 seats, then the DNVP with 30 seats, and finally the German People's Party with 10 seats. The final 7 seats were divided between 6 different parties...
I see the total is 577, as in OTL Sept 1930. I'm not sure these results are plausible. Compare to OTL Sept 1930 - 577 seats: KPD 77, SPD 143, Zentrum 77, NSDAP 107, DNVP 41, DVP 30, other parties 111.

OTL 1932 was 608 seats: KPD 89, SPD 133, Zentrum 75, NSDAP 230, DNVP 45, others 36.

ISTM that the ATL result has the NSDAP sucking up the non-left oxygen much sooner and much harder than OTL. Even in the rigged election of 1933, the DNVP and "others" (not KPD, SPD, or Zentrum) won 109 seats.

There was a lot of distrust of the NSDAP on the right. They were considered violent radicals; Hitler's rhetoric often included socialist tropes. The SA were sometimes described as "beefsteaks" - Brown outside, but Red inside - and often supported strikers against employers. This didn't stop the NSDAP from reaching its OTL peak of 37%, but IMO that was their natural limit, and only at the nadir of the Depression did they reach it.

Perhaps the KPD-SPD "Red Front" frightens more voters into supporting the NSDAP. But the Weimar election system worked against that, with proportional outcomes; there was little risk of a vote being "wasted" or of plurality victory. Thus the claim that any vote not for the NSDAP is a vote for the Reds doesn't wash.

Nazi takeover in Germany was not certain, but it's quite plausible in this ATL - just not, I think, by this sequence.
 
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True OTL, but the NSDAP was still less than 20%. The SPD was only 24.5%
20 December 1930? That would be close to the OTL Sept 1930 elections.
This has the NSDAP more than doubling its OTL 1930 vote. Unless the economic situation has gone bad much sooner than OTL, this is problematic.
I meant December of 1931, I must have forgotten to put that date.:eek: That has been edited.

Perhaps the KPD-SPD "Red Front" frightens more voters into supporting the NSDAP. But the Weimar election system worked against that, with proportional outcomes; there was little risk of a vote being "wasted" or of plurality victory. Thus the claim that any vote not for the NSDAP is a vote for the Reds doesn't wash.

The claim that any vote not for the Nazis is a vote for the Reds is Goebbels' claim. Its pure propaganda meant to frighten voters.
 
The claim that any vote not for the Nazis is a vote for the Reds is Goebbels' claim. Its pure propaganda meant to frighten voters.

Yabbut it won't work. In an FPTP winner-take-all-election, it's plausible to argue that not voting for the strongest anti-X party is "objectively pro-X", because dividing the anti-X vote could allow X to win.

But that can't happen in the Weimar system; a vote for the Bayrische Volkspartei or the DNVP is just as effective "against" the Reds as a vote for the NSDAP, and everyone knows it.

I don't think Goebbels would use that message; I doubt if he did historically.
 
Yabbut it won't work. In an FPTP winner-take-all-election, it's plausible to argue that not voting for the strongest anti-X party is "objectively pro-X", because dividing the anti-X vote could allow X to win.

But that can't happen in the Weimar system; a vote for the Bayrische Volkspartei or the DNVP is just as effective "against" the Reds as a vote for the NSDAP, and everyone knows it.

I don't think Goebbels would use that message; I doubt if he did historically.

The claim has no basis in reality, but remember that Nazi propaganda techniques were based on the idea that if you lie big and maintain the lie then you can drown out the truth. An SPD-KPD alliance would terrify every right wing German. Goebbels is using two things: the imagery of Wels and Thalmann kissing Sverdlov's feet to remind Germans that a SPD-KPD victory means being under Moscow's thumb (another claim that isn't reality based) and then the claim that "a vote against Hitler is a vote for Jewish-Bolshevism." The goal is to scare the German people into ignoring the fact that, as you said, a vote for the DVNP or the Centre Party would be just as effective. They then repeat this message in millions of leaflets, posters, and speeches to drown out the truth and control the narrative.

IMO when people are scared they tend to turn their brains off. If someone can control the narrative then scared people eventually accept there claims. For a (non-totalitarian) example look at the claims of "death panels" and "the horrible state of other countries' health care." Even though neither of these statements was true the anti-Obamacare people scared the American people and drowned out the truth by repeating this message ad naseum.
 
Excerpt from King's Gambit: Schleicher, Hindenburg, Rohm, and the Rise of Adolf Hitler by William L. Shirer​
Hitler was not satisfied with simply controlling the Reichstag. He desired the Chancellorship, but to get that he had to convince both Hindenburg and General Kurt von Schleicher. Ambitious, secretive, and Machiavellian Schleicher was the power behind the throne. He was the one who had created the presidential government and no one could be Chancellor with his blessing. But Schleicher had his own agenda: he wanted to destroy German democracy and created a Wehrstaat (Military State) that would forge German society into a totalitarian state that would be ready to wage a total war. Of course he would lead this state. His relationship with Hitler and the Nazis was complicated. On the one hand he was friends with SA leader Ernst Rohm and he realized that having a large, anti-democratic party as his allies would make it easier to destroy democracy. On the other hand he was angry at Hitler for helping overthrow Bruning (who was Schleicher's choice as Chancellor) and he worried about what Hindenburg's reaction to a proposed Hitler government would be.​
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On December 28th Hitler and Schleicher met to discus the Chancellorship. Schleicher offered to make Hitler Count Kuno von Westarp's (a conservative politician and one of Bruning's close friends) Vice Chancellor; he would also get Hindenburg to lift the ban on the SA. But then Hitler played his trump card. “Tell President Hindenburg that if he agrees to make me Chancellor the Nazi Party will vote to extend his term.” A presidential election was coming up and Hindenburg didn't want to run. He felt that the campaign, which would be against both Hitler and now the SPD-KPD alliance, would be too grueling and difficult for a man of his age and health. If the Reichstag voted to extend his term then there wouldn't be a campaign, but it required a 2/3rd majority that wouldn't be possible without the Nazis. Hitler also was uncertain about running. The campaign of 1931 had drained the Nazi treasury and he recognized that there would probably be more Reichstag campaigns in the future. Hitler was also fairly certain that Hindenburg would win and he figured that it would be better to be Chancellor than drive the Nazi Party into bankruptcy with endless campaigning. As for Schleicher he realized that he was cornered. If he accepted than Hitler would be Chancellor, but if he refused then Hindenburg would almost certainly find out about the proposed deal, costing him his relationship with Hindenburg. Schleicher decided to cut his losses and make Hitler Chancellor. Hindenburg was reluctant to make Hitler Chancellor but was persuaded after Schleicher told him of the deal and said “Give me six months and the little corporal will be no more.” The new cabinet had only three Nazis: Hitler, Wilhelm Frick as Interior Minister, and Hermann Goering as Minister without Portfolio. Schleicher became Minister of Defense, shunting aside his friend Wilhelm Groener. Groener, an ardent opponent of the Nazis, was furious at Schleicher both for giving the Nazis power and for forcing him out. Nevertheless he offered Schleicher some advice before leaving. “Never forget that the wolf is hungry and his teeth are sharp. Thinking that it will be easy to defeat him is the last mistake you will ever make.”​
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Almost as soon as Hitler came to power he and Schleicher began plotting against each other. Hitler secretly ordered the SS to tail Schleicher, in the hopes of finding something incriminating. It was an incredibly boring assignment. As one of the SS men later said “90 percent of our time was spent waiting for Schleicher to leave home or the office.” For his part Schleicher was plotting to destroy both Hitler and the Prussian government. Prussia was the largest state in Germany. Unfortunately for Schleicher Prussia's President was Social Democrat Otto Braun, and Prussia was the pillar of German democracy. If Schleicher ever wanted to impose his Wehrstaat he would have to destroy the Prussian government first. In early February he realized how to destroy Hitler and Braun at the same time. Schleicher forged evidence that the Prussian police had been aiding the Communists in fights against the SA. He showed the evidence to Hitler and they went to Hindenburg to ask him to impose Reich control, which would overthrow Braun. Hindenburg agreed on one condition: someone deal with the unions. The Kapp Putsch [1] had been destroyed by a strike and Hindenburg feared this putsch would end in the same way. Schleicher went to talk to the unions, but he made them a strange offer: if they would end their strike once Hitler fell he would give them a place of power in his Wehrstaat. However, when he met with Hindenburg Schleicher told him that the unions had agreed not to strike.​
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On February 9th Prussia was put under Reich control, and on the 10th the strikes began. Schleicher moved on to the next stage of his plan. He met with Ernst Rohm and Gregor Strasser. Strasser was the leader of the left-wing of the Nazi Party and one of Hitler's main rivals within the Party. He had been sidelined after 1926 but still held significant power in Berlin and northwest Germany. Both he and Rohm dreamed of a “Second Revolution” (one that would fulfill the Socialist part of National Socialism) and were frustrated with Hitler's refusal to launch it. Rohm also desired to merge the SA and the Reichswehr into a “people's army” commanded by himself. Schleicher knew this and offered to help start the Second Revolution, make Strasser President of Prussia, and talk to the Army about the merger. In exchange the SA just had to attack the strikers. Both Rohm and Strasser were uncertain about this offer, but Schleicher used his Mephistopheles-like charm to bring them around. The final stage of his plan was set in motion: he would use the violence that would inevitably follow an SA attack to show Hindenburg that the Nazis were far to brutal and chaotic to lead, then make himself Chancellor. Strasser's rise would fatally split the left and right wings of the Nazis Party. Schleicher would claim that labor had reneged on their deal; giving him a reason to destroy the union. Finally he would kill Rohm and the other top SA leaders and reorganize the SA and Stalhelm as a national militia. With Schleicher in power and all of his enemies destroyed there would be nothing to stop the creation of his Wehrstaat.​
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[1] The Kapp Putsch was an attempt by right-wing Germans to overthrow the Weimar Republic. It failed due in large part due to a massive strike that shut down the government and industry.​
 
Bit of a rumination on the development of Soviet pre-WW2 military ITTL:

Frunze not dying and maintaining major power is a big deal. He was the one who codified the Soviet's commitment to a militarized society and economy, with the total mobilization of both in the event of war which was something that Stalin (and presumably Sverdlov) embraced whole heartedly. But that isn't the change here.

In the 1920s, there was a kind of on-going debate on how the Soviet armed forces should develop: Trotsky advocated a peoples militia while alot of the former Tsarist . Frunze was a big proponent of a somewhat different compromise: combine the massed militia that Trotsky wanted, in the somewhat different form of a conscript army, with a professional officer corps which, in order to stave off fears of "bonapartism" from men like Trotsky of the Bolshevik party, was also to be thoroughly indoctrinated with communist ideals and made to understand they were subservient to the Party. Of course, this was the form of army the Soviets did finally end up adopting, but not until mid-way into World War 2. Even after Stalin had won his power struggle, there was a strange kind of vascillation here where the Soviets would still speak out of the both sides of their mouths on the issue. On the one hand, they revoke the privilege of soldiers to question their officers orders but on the other hand they institute dual-command with a commissar having to approve the commanders orders. The Soviets didn't stabilize on Frunze's vision until late-1942.

ITTL, with Frunze one of the three head honchos in the USSR and the military expert of those three, there won't be any waffling on this issue. The Soviets will develop a professional officer corps of capable men indoctrinated in communist ideals that exacts a iron-discipline upon the enlisted soldier with the commissars remaining as purely political advisers and party watchdogs. Sucks for men like Kulik or Budyenny but hey, maybe they can still get a desk job.

I'm less certain how Soviet tactical and operational doctrine would develop under Frunze, as opposed to how it was under Tukhachevsky. Would Frunze recognize the capabilities of tanks and aircraft operating alongside motorized infantry and artillery like Tukhachevsky did? His thesis(es?) on total mobilization did emphasize industrialization and modern technology, but that isn't quite the same thing in the 1920s. Would he accept Svechin's ideas that the next war would have to alternate between defensive and offensive fighting or would he fall into the same trap of many Soviet theorists pre-World War 2 of overemphasizing the offensive? A lot of potential splits here. The good news is with no great purges (although I'm pretty sure purges of some kind are probably coming down) there won't be as big an interruption to the development of doctrine and the training of the Red Army.
 
Bit of a rumination on the development of Soviet pre-WW2 military ITTL:

Frunze not dying and maintaining major power is a big deal. He was the one who codified the Soviet's commitment to a militarized society and economy, with the total mobilization of both in the event of war which was something that Stalin (and presumably Sverdlov) embraced whole heartedly. But that isn't the change here.

In the 1920s, there was a kind of on-going debate on how the Soviet armed forces should develop: Trotsky advocated a peoples militia while alot of the former Tsarist . Frunze was a big proponent of a somewhat different compromise: combine the massed militia that Trotsky wanted, in the somewhat different form of a conscript army, with a professional officer corps which, in order to stave off fears of "bonapartism" from men like Trotsky of the Bolshevik party, was also to be thoroughly indoctrinated with communist ideals and made to understand they were subservient to the Party. Of course, this was the form of army the Soviets did finally end up adopting, but not until mid-way into World War 2. Even after Stalin had won his power struggle, there was a strange kind of vascillation here where the Soviets would still speak out of the both sides of their mouths on the issue. On the one hand, they revoke the privilege of soldiers to question their officers orders but on the other hand they institute dual-command with a commissar having to approve the commanders orders. The Soviets didn't stabilize on Frunze's vision until late-1942.

ITTL, with Frunze one of the three head honchos in the USSR and the military expert of those three, there won't be any waffling on this issue. The Soviets will develop a professional officer corps of capable men indoctrinated in communist ideals that exacts a iron-discipline upon the enlisted soldier with the commissars remaining as purely political advisers and party watchdogs. Sucks for men like Kulik or Budyenny but hey, maybe they can still get a desk job.
This is spot on except I don't even think Kulik is qualified for a desk job.:p

I'm less certain how Soviet tactical and operational doctrine would develop under Frunze, as opposed to how it was under Tukhachevsky. Would Frunze recognize the capabilities of tanks and aircraft operating alongside motorized infantry and artillery like Tukhachevsky did? His thesis(es?) on total mobilization did emphasize industrialization and modern technology, but that isn't quite the same thing in the 1920s. Would he accept Svechin's ideas that the next war would have to alternate between defensive and offensive fighting or would he fall into the same trap of many Soviet theorists pre-World War 2 of overemphasizing the offensive? A lot of potential splits here. The good news is with no great purges (although I'm pretty sure purges of some kind are probably coming down) there won't be as big an interruption to the development of doctrine and the training of the Red Army.

The Red Army will certainly be ready for more war. I feel like Frunze would recognize the importance of tanks, aircraft, etc. There will certainly be an update on the Soviet Army but I am still not certain about the military doctrines.
 
The claim has no basis in reality, but remember that Nazi propaganda techniques were based on the idea that if you lie big and maintain the lie then you can drown out the truth. An SPD-KPD alliance would terrify every right wing German. Goebbels is using two things: the imagery of Wels and Thalmann kissing Sverdlov's feet to remind Germans that a SPD-KPD victory means being under Moscow's thumb (another claim that isn't reality based) and then the claim that "a vote against Hitler is a vote for Jewish-Bolshevism." The goal is to scare the German people into ignoring the fact that, as you said, a vote for the DVNP or the Centre Party would be just as effective. They then repeat this message in millions of leaflets, posters, and speeches to drown out the truth and control the narrative.

IMO when people are scared they tend to turn their brains off. If someone can control the narrative then scared people eventually accept there claims.

A lie has to be believable. A claim that an SPD-KPD government would be controlled by Moscow is believable; the KPD was part of the Communist International, which was headquartered in Moscow.

A claim that a vote for the Zentrum or the DVP is a vote for Communism is obvious nonsense.

Goebbels did not assert such a claim, any more than he issued claims that if the NSDAP didn't take power, giant pigeons would swarm through German streets pecking people to death.

For a (non-totalitarian) example look at the claims of "death panels" and "the horrible state of other countries' health care." Even though neither of these statements was true the anti-Obamacare people scared the American people and drowned out the truth by repeating this message ad naseum.
How about "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan"? A conscious and intentional lie which was repeated continually by one side in that debate. Not that it mattered. The bill was rammed through Congress by a Democrat majority so servile they voted for it even though by their own admission they didn't know what was in it.

But this is off topic.
 

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A lie has to be believable. A claim that an SPD-KPD government would be controlled by Moscow is believable; the KPD was part of the Communist International, which was headquartered in Moscow.

A claim that a vote for the Zentrum or the DVP is a vote for Communism is obvious nonsense.

Goebbels did not assert such a claim, any more than he issued claims that if the NSDAP didn't take power, giant pigeons would swarm through German streets pecking people to death.

"On February 16, 1939, the SS journal Das Schwarze Korps attacked the Pope as "the sworn enemy of National Socialism" and "Chief Rabbi of the Christians, boss of the firm of Judah-Rome" [*], and "Prior to this, Das Schwarze Korps had taken a leading role in propaganda attacks on Cardinal Pacelli during his official visit to France, labelling him a co-conspirator with Jews and Communists against Nazism." [**]

So as implausible as it may seem, the Nazis tried to link the Pope with Communists (and Jewish people) in OTL.
 
"On February 16, 1939, the SS journal Das Schwarze Korps attacked the Pope as "the sworn enemy of National Socialism" and "Chief Rabbi of the Christians, boss of the firm of Judah-Rome" [*], and "Prior to this, Das Schwarze Korps had taken a leading role in propaganda attacks on Cardinal Pacelli during his official visit to France, labelling him a co-conspirator with Jews and Communists against Nazism." [**]

So as implausible as it may seem, the Nazis tried to link the Pope with Communists (and Jewish people) in OTL.

Okay the Nazis were much crazier than I thought. And I thought the Nazis were completely nuts. :eek:

I was unaware that a person could make a conspiracy theory involving the Pope, the Jews, and the Communists working together.
 
Excerpt from King's Gambit: Schleicher, Hindenburg, Rohm, and the Rise of Adolf Hitler by William L. Shirer​
The epicenter of the strikes was Berlin, where around 190,000 workers marched through the streets. Around 11:00 am on February 11th strikers in the southern part of Berlin heard these first notes of the Horst Wessel Lied. Minutes later thousands of brownshirts charged them. One striker remembered “It was complete chaos. The air filled with screams and the sound of breaking bones. I tried to run but one of those brownshirt thugs struck me over the head with a lead pipe. I rolled over and covered my head with my arms, while he rained blows down upon me. He eventually moved on to another target, but by then my arms had been smashed to pieces.” The police, as well as RFB and Reichsbanner fighters, came in but just made the situation worse. At first the police attempted to disperse the rioters, but after several officers were killed the police struck back. “They unloaded shotguns on us,” recalled one rioter. By the end of the day 138 strikers, 86 brownshirts, and 34 police officers were dead; another 1,500 lay injured.​
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Hitler flew into a rage when he heard the news. “Who ordered you to send in the SA?” Hitler screamed at Rohm. After that meeting he met with Hindenburg, who gave him an ultimatum: stop the violence in the next 3 days or lose power. He then received the report from Schleicher's spy detail mentioning Strasser and Rohm's meeting. Hitler and Goering decided to confront Strasser, figuring that he would be easier to break than the battle hardened Rohm. Perhaps Strasser was starting to doubt Schleicher's promises, more likely it was due to Hitler screaming and threatening to push him through a meat grinder, but Strasser's nerves failed him. He confessed to everything. Hitler went to bed after calling Himmler and Heydrich to a meeting first thing in the morning.​
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The next day, Hitler met with Goering, Himmler, and Heydrich to draw up a list of enemies to kill. Hitler was uncertain about what to do with Rohm. The two had been close (Rohm was the only one who called Hitler by the familiar du) and Hitler did not want to kill Rohm; at first he just ordered him arrested. Even though he spent several hours contemplating Rohm's fate Hitler was decisive when dealing with the other SA leaders. Rohm's deputy Edmund Heines was sharing a Breslau hotel room with two male prostitutes. When the SS death squad burst in they found him engaging in the “rough trade” with them. The disgusted squad leader had all three shot. Hitler feared that Rohm's friend Karl-Gunther Heimsoth (by trade a sexologist) might have damaging knowledge about the Nazi Party. He was not hard to find; having been arrested during the Berlin riots. Two brownshirts (awaiting trial for killing a Jewish shop owner) were promised amnesty if they killed Heimsoth. Some Nazi guards gave them straight razors, which they used to slit his throat in the showers on the morning of the 13th. As for Rohm Hitler finally reached a decision just before dawn. Rohm had betrayed him and knew too much to be allowed to live. The guards entered Rohm's prison cell and offered him a pistol to kill himself. He responded “Just shoot me and get it the fuck over with.” They obliged, shooting Rohm five times in the chest.​
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Although Rohm and the SA leadership were the main victims Hitler also went after old enemies and Schleicher's friends and associates. There were 77 names on the list (counting the SA) but the most prominent were: Generals Ferdinand von Bredow and Wilhelm Groener, Gregor Strasser, former Chancellor Heinrich Bruning and his friend Kuno von Westarp, former Bavarian President Gustav Ritter von Kahr, Prussian police chief Erich Klausener, and newspaper editor Fritz Gerlich. Bredow and Groener had to die since they were both influential Army leaders and friends of Schleicher. Bredow was shot after answering his door (a similar fate befell Westarp) while Groener was tied to a chair and shot four times. Gustave Ritter von Kahr had crushed the Beer Hall Putsch; for this he met the most gruesome fate. The SS dismembered him with axes, then dumped the remains in a pig sty. The next day the farmer found the partially eaten body. On February 14th Bruning's body washed up on the banks of Elbe; stabbed dozens of times. His criticisms of the Nazis and closeness to Schleicher doomed him. Klausener was one of the main obstacles to the Nazification of the police, so he was shot at his desk. Gerlich had been an ardent critic of Nazism for years, publishing exposes on the misdeeds of the Party. After he was kidnapped the SS death squad leader had him taken to the roof of an apartment building, then threw him off. Finally, the next day the police found Strasser's body impaled on a hook in a meat locker. After he was unfrozen (which took two whole days) the autopsy determined that he had been beaten to death with a blackjack.​
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After Hitler became Chancellor Himmler and Heydrich had forged evidence that their rival Rohm was a French spy, being paid 12 million marks to organize a putsch. Hitler had refused to use this before, but now it was quickly amended to show the Groener and Bredow were also involved. Despite his initial shock this was enough for Hindenburg, who praised Hitler for “keep Germany from falling under the French boot.” The German people were also grateful. As one Hamburg mailman put it “Hitler has proven his mettle. He has showed that he is truly a leader fit to rule Germany.” With Hitler's rise came Schleicher's fall. His friendship with Groener and Bredow made him look at best careless and unthinking. At this point even Hindenburg and the Army abandoned him; Hindenburg even telling him “General your opinion of Chancellor Hitler was wildly off the mark; to say nothing of Groener and Bredow.” On March 12th Hitler informed Schleicher that if he didn't resign “They will find your body in the same meat locker as Mr. Strasser.” The next day Schleicher resigned and fled to Sweden; where​
he died a sad and bitter man in 1940.​
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Schleicher was not the only enemy that Hitler dealt with after the Night of the Long Knives. The strikes were broken up after Goering met with the union leaders and threatened to have them shot unless they called off the strikes. That same day Hindenburg issued an emergency decree declaring that anyone striking without consent of their union would be arrested. Abandoned by their unions, disheartened by the blatant illegality of the Nazi government, and afraid of being imprisoned the vast majority of the strikers went home. In November all of the unions were merged into the German Labor Front under Hitler's crony Robert Ley. Next came time to destroy the Communists and Social Democrats. Hitler convinced Hindenburg to sign another emergency decree that suspended most civil liberties and allowed the Nazis to ban any party. On February 20th the KPD and SPD were banned and their leaders placed in protective custody. The exception was Ernst Thalmann. After the Night of the Long Knives he fled to the Soviet Union disguised as a woman. He later called his flight “The most embarrassing and terrifying thing I have ever done.” The coup de grace to the Wiemar Republic came on February 23rd. On that day, with hundreds of SS soldiers staring down at them from the balcony, the Reichstag voted to give Hitler the power to create laws without consent of the Reichstag. The laws could even be extra-constitutional. Of the remaining parties in the Reichstag the DVNP supported the measure and the Centre, German People's, and all smaller parties were too scared to protest. Ironically, Hitler spent the next few years creating Schleicher's Wehrstaat, albeit one far more twisted and evil than Schleicher could have ever dreamed of.​

 
the next update will be coming soon but I have a question for anyone who is interested. Do you want the next update to be:


  • Industrialization (and the rise of a monster to the halls of power)?
  • Culture (covering nationalities, religion, and the arts)? or
  • Frunze's Military Reforms?
 
the next update will be coming soon but I have a question for anyone who is interested. Do you want the next update to be:


  • Industrialization (and the rise of a monster to the halls of power)?
  • Culture (covering nationalities, religion, and the arts)? or
  • Frunze's Military Reforms?

Culture on nationalities please
 

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the next update will be coming soon but I have a question for anyone who is interested. Do you want the next update to be:


  • Industrialization (and the rise of a monster to the halls of power)?
  • Culture (covering nationalities, religion, and the arts)? or
  • Frunze's Military Reforms?

I vote culture, or whatever you feel most inspired to do. Enjoying the timeline so far, I just have little in the way of helpful commentary to contribute. :)
 
I'd like to see it keep coming at whatever rate you can manage--so since you're asking and since two have voted for "culture" already, by all means go with that.

After all, when dealing with a Russian ATL, we hardly want to be without culture, now do we?:p

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Speaking of "nyet kulturni," I guess it's clear enough we're done with Hitler's rise to power ITTL; there is little reason for subsequent events to be a lot different than OTL, so we could just "insert OTL" in Germany up to 1937, and after that assume similar events in Austria.

I do have some hopes of more effective Popular Front aid to the Spanish Republic and the defeat of Franco ITTL, but that's just my assumption this is meant to be a "better" Bolshevism instead of just a different one. It can still fall as short of success as OTL several ways; one, that Sverdlov's Troika collectively has the same priorities Stalin did (gaining control over the left, even at the cost of its defeat by the right) and so the Spanish intervention fails; or they differ from Stalin in a way that makes their intervention unhelpful or nonexistent--say Sverdlov reasons that Spain is a colonial power and the Communist International must prefer to stir up Spanish colonial subjects while the regime is weak, thus alienating the Spanish Republic and in effect not intervening there at all (although I'm not sure the Republican side actually cared about keeping the colonies, whereas the Falangist leadership were drawn from the colonial army--perhaps attacking Spanish power in the colonies would have been a very effective way to engage Franco after all?)

Getting back to the USSR--it isn't clear to me whether it would come under industrialization or culture, but I wonder if the Troika will enable technologies to develop that were abortive under Stalin.

Actually, if any of a number of technologies the Soviets were pursuing in the 1930s were able to advance more than they did OTL, the Soviets would indeed be not only catching up but pulling ahead of the West--in jet engines, for instance. Or to take one where they stayed behind OTL, cybernetics--a committee of several mathematics students wrote up some of the crucial ideas Shannon did some years earlier, but their theses were not published until after his. If cybernetics and information theory are not suppressed on ideological grounds and the USSR manages to keep up with the technology enabling electronic computation to take place, it seems to me that a seriously Marxist form of economic planning can take advantage of cutting edge information technology and perhaps enjoy better success (in the postwar years; the technology will be too backward in the 30s to make much difference).

There are other fields where Soviet attention definitely lagged, but it might be otherwise here, such as radar.

In the mid-1930s OTL, Aeroflot (having been recently formed out of prior flying organizations) hired Umberto Nobile, the Italian airship designer, to come to the Soviet Union to design a fleet of airships, to be used to cover the large distances of the USSR. I still think something more should have come of that. Several smallish semirigids were built but their operations never went beyond experimental. However, especially in the light of recent OTL arguments in favor of airship operations in the Canadian arctic, I think using airships as well as airplanes might have yielded some complementary advantages, and so the USSR would sustain some experience with aerostation at a time other nations abandon it; this might come in handy later. Also, though it was undiscovered in the 1930s, Siberian natural gas wells turn out to be a significant source of helium.

I have this cool image of Soviet-made big airships flying over the North Pole to pick up Lend-Lease materials and goods from improvised landing masts in Toronto or Minneapolis, escorted by a few hook-on Yak fighters--but not generally needing them since they are flying far east of Nazi raiders based in Norway.

Then later, airships can haul big rocket stages from factories in the northern Russian heartland down to a launch site in southern Kazakhstan, and retrieve spent stages that fall on the steppes.

An established aerostatic practice would also imply a permanent component of the Soviet Navy, and might lead to the Americans not abandoning their own LTA fleets in the 1960s. (Or, having devised weapons and tactics that would make short work of the Soviet airships, the Navy decides to shut their own blimp fleet down earlier, knowing it can't survive a war).
 
Next update will be coming out either on Friday or Saturday. It will focus on culture.

Here's a clue as to what is coming;): A=A B=V ф=F
 
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