THE END OF AMERICAN PORN

A Random Person

Oct 12th, 2002

France places a 93% supertax on Pornography. (considered any media with full frontal nudity)

March 2004

Star Darren James contracts AIDS from brazilian star Bianca Biaggi, shortly after he returns to the united states.

April 13th, 2004

Darren James' monthly HIV test came back positive, all 20 major companies in the industry agree to seise production for one month.

May 6th, 2004

The test's of James "coworkers", Lara Roxx, Jessica Dee and Miss Arroyo com back positive'

May 12th 2004

POD: instead of ending the period of one month the Municipal Governments in the San Frenando Valley area with the assistance of the state of California and the Federal Government decree that the industry will be shut down until six weeks from the date of the last known infection.

June 11th-13th, 2004

The eroticaLA convention ONLY recruited 500 new performers. Severely down from past years.

June 20th 2004

The HIV tests of Rayveness, Banesca, John Strong, Maxxx Black and Mark Anthony came back positive. All filming plans cancelled.

July 14th 2004

Porn King Ron Jeremy dies of a Xanax overdose. Many stars who think it is suicide copy him. Autopsy report comes back as an accidental death.

July 15th 2004

Randi Wright's HIV test comes back positive, she received the virus from Lara Roxx.

July 20th 2004

After observing many of the porn stars and starlets turning back to prostitution, as well as a lot of protest. The supreme court decided to reopen the industry only banning M-M, M-F, T-M, T-F and T-T penetration.

so far 10 stars are infected with HIV, several died from drugs, and that is just the beginning.

Before 2004 there has not been a case of AIDS in the porn industry since 2000.

July 20th 2004 Decision

The supreme court passed a law after weeks of protests that allowed pornstars to go back to work under certain conditions.

1) There is no penetration
2) There is a sanitary enviroment
3) The law will be revisited

There is an allowance to work around the no penetration rule with camera angling and digitalization.

August 15th, 2004

American lawmakers meet, a supertax is proposed yet is put onto the back shelf.
 

Markus

Banned
1. Hmm, looks like someone got in depth knowledge of porn. Of course how could one aviod porn on the net? :D

2. Killing Ron is evil!

3. WFT(literally) is T-T penetration?

4. I like Brasilian porn better anyway.
 

Blue Max

You recognize that pornography actually REDUCES sex crimes; Japan, with the really creepy stuff (little girls and tentacles, etc) actually has the lowest rates of any western nation?

While many find it tasteless and immoral, as a taxpayer dedicated to a smaller government and reduced interference in people's lives, I have to point out that Pornography is actually a REALLY GOOD thing. Now, there will be all kinds of religious moralists who disagree with me; but I'm not interested in theological arguments.

In short, expect things like rape and sexual assault to increase. That is probably not the intent of the scenario, but that is what will happen.
 

lothaw

So people who watch sex related crimes are less likely to commit them? Go figure.

Anyways, the porn industry going under is more ASB than Sea Lion.
 

Zacoftheaxes

Blue Max said:
You recognize that pornography actually REDUCES sex crimes; Japan, with the really creepy stuff (little girls and tentacles, etc) actually has the lowest rates of any western nation?

While many find it tasteless and immoral, as a taxpayer dedicated to a smaller government and reduced interference in people's lives, I have to point out that Pornography is actually a REALLY GOOD thing. Now, there will be all kinds of religious moralists who disagree with me; but I'm not interested in theological arguments.

In short, expect things like rape and sexual assault to increase. That is probably not the intent of the scenario, but that is what will happen.
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Which is strange as Japan actually has censorship laws stricter than the US, but I'll agree porn reduces sex crimes, it seems logical.
 

Blue Max

lothaw said:
So people who watch sex related crimes are less likely to commit them? Go figure.

Anyways, the porn industry going under is more ASB than Sea Lion.
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That is completely correct, Lothaw.

It works on the basis of satisfying needs. Porn is a different outlet for them, and it actually works. I'm not saying this because its untrue, but because I think that the question becomes whether promoting "decency" is worth increased criminality. Not a straightforward call to make, but I think that pornography can quietly be moved to the fringes and still serve this critical social benefit.

Many people don't think of it as such, but pornography is therefore a good thing. Yes, there are some people who will be deeply offended by it, but when the choice goes between having seedy shops in far corners or having friends and family at higher risk for sexual assault--I know that the shops are the right choice.

So, getting rid of porn means more rape, sodomy, attacks on minors and sexual assault. Similar reasonings apply to prostitution, although that has a little different consequences.
 

Xen

Banned
lothaw said:
So people who watch sex related crimes are less likely to commit them? Go figure.

Anyways, the porn industry going under is more ASB than Sea Lion.
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I can't remember the name of the comedian who said "Porn leads to masturbation, which leads to fixing a sandwich and taking a nap"
 

Markus

Banned
midnight77 said:
Tranny on Tranny. Yeah, I know what that means, so what?:eek:
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Biologically and thus legally they are dudes with fake tits. By the way, I found a loophole. F-F is not banned so the US porn industry can still make all-girl porn with strap-ons. :D
 

tantric

do you have proof that porn reduces sex crimes? that would be an ideal study to conduct in prisons, but i doubt the US would allow it.
 

the_lyniezian

Banned
@Blue Max: I am of course inclined to disagree, and the Wiki article you link to doesn't exactly give a glowing report of the benefits of pornography. To be fair, from that article, one would have to conclude that it is not obvious what effects pornography has on such things.

Interesting to see the position of Mary Whitehouse, at one time a prominent and highly controversial campaigner for "cleaning up" media (especially television) on this (I bought a book of hers just today). When confronted by the apparent evidence that, in a certain european country (which I forget, either Denmark or the Netherlands IIRC) the legalisation of pornography had reduced the number of sex crimes, she reckoned firstly that this was partly because pornography no longer counted towards that number, and something like fewer victims of rape reporting the fact, because increased acceptance of sex outside of the traditional boundaries had added to social pressure against them doing so, or suchlike.

One wonders if Japan is a bad example when comparing to America- due to the differences in culture, meaning other factors are involved. And remember: they're an Eastern nation, not a Western one.

To be fair, I think it could work differently with certain people, as with voilent media- for some it might have a cathartic effect, being an outlet for certain sexual desires, for others it might desensitise them to certain arguably more deviant practices or cause their desire to increase, or them to become addicted.

(I would further argue that rape and sexual assult are far from the only issues here. Not least the effect on relationships, and indeed the whole morality of the thing- but the latter is for another forum...)
 

Blue Max

Well Lyn, the first question that comes to mind is--is it worth punishing people for looking at dirty pictures? Or punishing the people who sell such pictures? Or the people who take them or the models who are exposed in said fashion?

If you legalize it, it is not a crime. This is completely agreeable.

Now the second point--Addiction is a word that gets thrown around a LOT in a hyperbolic context. Sexual addiction means an "inability to function" without sex; I am skeptical that pornography really causes something which already exists-are you seriously claiming that nymphomania is caused by porn? I am very skeptical.

And frankly, Lyn, the idea that pornography degrades relationships is a social dynamic, true. But the real dynamic is marriage disappearing--and this because of women refusing to live in abusive or empty relationships. A word of caution--religious inquiries into pornography aren't objective. They are made with the deliberate intention to conform to principles from religious texts. Obviously, your mileage may vary.
 

the_lyniezian

Banned
Blue Max said:
Well Lyn, the first question that comes to mind is--is it worth punishing people for looking at dirty pictures? Or punishing the people who sell such pictures? Or the people who take them or the models who are exposed in said fashion?
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Rathr depends on your moral viewpoint, and the basis for it, in the absence of further evidence. I feel this is one for Chat, though, not AH.

If you legalize it, it is not a crime. This is completely agreeable.
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Agreeable in what sense? that you agree with my statement, or with legalising porn?

The reason I mentioned that, BTW, is that it seems like an example of that comon phenomenon, "lying with statistics" (or rather, presenting them in such a way as to obfuscate the reality).

Now the second point--Addiction is a word that gets thrown around a LOT in a hyperbolic context. Sexual addiction means an "inability to function" without sex; I am skeptical that pornography really causes something which already exists-are you seriously claiming that nymphomania is caused by porn? I am very skeptical.
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Well, it's important to understand what I was geting at there, which I was not very clear on. I suppose the sort of thing you are getting at here is not purely a state of mind, but something more physiological. I am suggesting that it is possible to become addicted to pornography, and in turn thinking incessently about sex- in the same way that perhaps a drug might be,- or more accurately, a self-induced obsession.

And frankly, Lyn, the idea that pornography degrades relationships is a social dynamic, true. But the real dynamic is marriage disappearing--and this because of women refusing to live in abusive or empty relationships.
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Whilst I am pretty sure that such may be a factor in the increase in divorce rates, I am sure there are many other factors involved, and that women are not the only instigators of things such as divorce. Perhaps the decline in marriage is simply because there are fewer legal and social barriers against such decline- then again, it may simply be- especially in the case of "empty" relationships, a lack of willingness of one or other parties involved to actually commit, indeed to love, seeing divorce (or avoiding marrige altogether) as an easy way out.

A word of caution--religious inquiries into pornography aren't objective. They are made with the deliberate intention to conform to principles from religious texts. Obviously, your mileage may vary.
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This may well be true, but I get the feeling the same is true on the other side of the debate- that studies or statistical presentations may appear to be biased in favour of modern, libral moral attitudes, and hence to justify legal and social changes.

Basically I never entirely trust any studies of a social or human biology nature- they are almost always subjective and unreliable. Maybe that's just the physicist in me, but anyway...
 

Xen

Banned
the_lyniezian said:
Disagree. I've seen a fair few French oies which don't feature full-frontal nudity, or are erotic in nature, though doubtless many are.
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Ok, then thus dies the good French movie industry.

Nearly every French film I see I think is wonderful, the story is gripping and deep, I don't have too much time to enjoy the nudity as I am usually busy trying to read the subtitles at the bottom of the screen as I speak French like a dog speaks cat.
 
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