Doubtful, Russia doesn't have a lot of warm water ports, the only one currently open to international trade is Vladivostok, which is really close to Japan. Russia had the same problem in otl WW1, only now it is worse due to no trade from other nations. Except maybe from Sweden, Finland and Norway and Denmark.
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Doubtful, Russia doesn't have a lot of warm water ports, the only one currently open to international trade is Vladivostok, which is really close to Japan. Russia had the same problem in otl WW1, only now it is worse due to no trade from other nations. Except maybe from Sweden, Finland and Norway and Denmark.
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Thats why i said low level shipping more akin to piracy methods in surviving of the crews and ships receiving and transporting goods to and from places.
As said before the level of shipping will be a shadow of itself i mentioned russia specifically because of its connection to scandinavia and the nations you have mentioned more or less Sweden and Finland can be used as a basis of an alternate shipping for russia in many ways.
Of course there are a lot of ifs in that theory and it also assumes that Sweden and Finland are not involved in the war in some way on the Allies side.
Ah that was not clear, although I have never heard of a nation state doing something like that in otl (cloest I can think of would be Merchant raiders trying to give supplies to their home land), it is not impossible, though I would say less then probable.
I see either the Democrats becoming partners with the NW, the country party to the more city focused New Wigs. Or else they will be reabsorbed into the New Wigs.
Edit: Are the British planning a taranto style raid on the Germany fleet? They do have a supertender and they even had plans to do something similar in WW1
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Operation Hangman II
The news of Kaiser Wilhelm’s death spread fast, and shocked the world. It was a reality check for many of the world’s leaders, that even the highest offices in the land were not spared the horrors of war. Kaiser Wilhelm’s son, Friedrich, took the crown as Wilhelm II, calling on Germans to unite in the face of an evil hat had taken their beloved leader from them. However that was easier said than done. Strategically, the loss of the Second Army in Stuttgart was more crushing than even the High Command wanted to admit. It freed up immense amounts of Allied material and men to other fronts. Luckily for Germany, the front most of them went to was further south.
The capture of Sardinia and Corsica in Operation Hangman was extremely successful in every way except for achieving its ultimate goal; making the Italians capitulate. And so, the second part of Operation Hangman was given the go ahead, with a start date of March 7th, 1921. It began at dawn, with air attacks from the HMS Ark Royal on the beaches of southeastern Sicily. However, this time the Italians were much more prepared. They had decent intelligence on the operation, along with pretty good tactical knowledge that this was the likely place the Allies would strike next. When the air strikes began, Italy had scrambled aeroplanes of their own, even sending out a force to attack the landing craft. This was the first large scale aerial attack on the British naval force, and while the Italian planes took heavy casualties, the element of surprise allowed them to do a significant amount of damage to some landing craft, and one Italian plane scored a lucky hit on the Ark Royal, killed 18 sailors and ripping a decently sized hole on the flight deck.
Light attack aircraft, Short Hornets to be exact, fly in formation above Sicily.
The landings still went through, followed by a French landing on the northwestern tip of the island in the following days, near Marsala. The eventual goal was Messina, but the Italian strategic retreat to the highlands of Sicily slowed down the offensive, bogging the Allies down in the interior of the island. The proximity of the island to the mainland also allowed for Italian supplies to be easily sent to Sicily, unlike with Corsica and Sardinia where it was more difficult and costly. Fighting on the island raged on into the spring, with news on both sides screaming of battles in Syracuse and Palermo, where heavy casualties were recorded for both Italy and the Allies. But as the Italians finally thought they had stopped the Allies, the other foot dropped.
The troops that had seen action and bloodshed in Alsace and Stuttgart had finally arrived to the Alps. The French pushed hard in Savoy, pushing the Italian lines back to pre-German Wars territory, while in the East, Austria succeeded in pacifying the Istrian peninsula and forging the Isonzo river, which had served as the major defensive line for Italy during the entire conflict. In the north, Austrian forces re-captured Trentino, which had been under Italian control for much of the war after the early Italian offensives.
Italians retreat after the initial Allied offensives in northern Italy
The Italian government panicked. The Italian army in the north had yet to contain the dual offensives, and while Sicily was holding, it would mean nothing if the industrial centers of northern Italy fell to the Allies. Meanwhile, the blockade, which had plagued Italy for much of wartime, was bankrupting the country. Unemployment was rising, and factories were being shut down because of lack of materials. Demonstrations in many of Italy’s major cities were becoming commonplace. Still, the coalition government refused to surrender.
In late May, the decision to evacuate almost 100,000 troops across the Straits of Messina after a fighting withdrawal to the city was made. More than 50,000 others surrendered to the Franco-British force. These troops were sent further north to contain the Austrian offensive now threatening to take Venice. The line was drawn at the Piave River, one of the last natural barriers before large open space would allow the superior numbers of the Austrians to overtake the Italians. On June 5th, 1921, the battle opened, with the main Austrian thrust being sent towards Treviso. Hundreds of thousands of men met in the bloodiest battle of the Italian campaign, but at the end, the Italians had been defeated. It was sort of a pyrrhic victory for the Austrians, while they had crossed the Piave, taken Treviso, and were now within a days reach of Venice, they still could not exploit they natural terrain because of the heavy casualties sustained. However, the strategic picture was in their favor, as the French had also once again attacked through the Alps, and had secured victory at Susa, a strategic town on the route to Turin.
It seemed as if the whole house of cards had started falling down within weeks. With the Italian currency almost meaningless, Venice threatened and Turin under siege, the coalition government fell apart, as the Socialist Party walked out. Overnight, demonstrations on the streets became riots and there were overwhelming calls for peace. Faced with the prospect of open revolt, the remains of the Italian government agreed to seek a peaceful resolution to the conflict over the protests of the Russian and German delegation in Rome. A cease-fire took effect on July 9th, 1921, but the chaos in Italy would not end with a peace treaty.
Good to see you back silver.
The Italians hung on for a lot longer then I thought they would.
Still a major victory for the Allies, Austria now has more troops to meet the next Russian attack as well as more overland supply routes, Ottoman and British troops are now free to go to Asia minor and France now has even more to send to Germany.
How popular is the war in Russia any way? I imagine Germans would be for it, mostly out of Survival but also cause they are fighting their ancestral enemies; France and Austria. But how do the Russians feel about fighting in so many places, every letter to next of kin goes back to Russia, while the Allied ones go to Britain, Austria, Japan, etc.
The Italians hung on for a lot longer then I thought they would.
Still a major victory for the Allies, Austria now has more troops to meet the next Russian attack as well as more overland supply routes, Ottoman and British troops are now free to go to Asia minor and France now has even more to send to Germany.
How popular is the war in Russia any way? I imagine Germans would be for it, mostly out of Survival but also cause they are fighting their ancestral enemies; France and Austria. But how do the Russians feel about fighting in so many places, every letter to next of kin goes back to Russia, while the Allied ones go to Britain, Austria, Japan, etc.
well that is a major propaganda victory for the allies, now hopefully they can finish there push up into Germany soon and Britain can send more naval aid to pacific, maybe clear up the colonies. One thing I find very interesting is that the allies in this timeline a part from the Ottomans maybe are not going to be suffer from any loss of prestige like Brian and France did in OTL after world war 2
Hi Silver a quick question, how old is The Tsar? He would have to like 75-80 at the very least.
I also wonder what diplomatic strategies the Allies/CP are employing, the Allies can now send troops into the Balkans, so maybe a joint Anglo-Serbian attack on Bulgaria to convince Greece to join. The could also try to get Mexico and Argentina to join in, even limited help could still be of great importance, as it would show Russia that the rest of the World is against them.
As for the CP, reverse Zimmerman?
I also wonder what diplomatic strategies the Allies/CP are employing, the Allies can now send troops into the Balkans, so maybe a joint Anglo-Serbian attack on Bulgaria to convince Greece to join. The could also try to get Mexico and Argentina to join in, even limited help could still be of great importance, as it would show Russia that the rest of the World is against them.
As for the CP, reverse Zimmerman?
Guys
True its a big victory for the allies knocking Italy out. However its taken a lot of time and blood and I'm wondering whether they would have been better securing Sicily at most then cordoning off Italy to try and finish off Germany before it got the chance to regroup. Sounds like Austrian losses were especially heavy and their already carrying the bulk of fighting both Germany and Russia.
Hopefully they will pull through but it could be tight. The other option is that the two alliances actually come to terms to end the war. Although that might be difficult for the two to agree terms. Especially since only Russia on the central power side has made any gains and their likely to see both Italy and Germany seriously reduced in strength.
Steve
True its a big victory for the allies knocking Italy out. However its taken a lot of time and blood and I'm wondering whether they would have been better securing Sicily at most then cordoning off Italy to try and finish off Germany before it got the chance to regroup. Sounds like Austrian losses were especially heavy and their already carrying the bulk of fighting both Germany and Russia.
Hopefully they will pull through but it could be tight. The other option is that the two alliances actually come to terms to end the war. Although that might be difficult for the two to agree terms. Especially since only Russia on the central power side has made any gains and their likely to see both Italy and Germany seriously reduced in strength.
Steve
The fight for Italy was bloody yes, but now the Allies truly have the upper hand. There are a few diplomatic offensives occuring, but those will be explained in future updates.
On Russia, they are more pro-war then many would expect. The more pro-constitutional monarchy trend for Russia has kept many more extremist ideologies at bay, and the populace has sort of a "we want our place in the sun" mentality that overshadows the protests, at least for now. There is a growing peace movement led by the more radical parts of the Social Labour Party, but it is only starting to catch on with more mainstream members.
The Czar is currently very old, 74 to be exact. And to be blunt he is going to die soon. (A boring death really, no train accidents for this one)
Thanks Silver
What was Vlad doing in the Russo-Turkish war? I know he was a 'leader' but he was only 20ish when the war happened, even Russia isn't that neospotic is it?
Also I just realised Germany in this war is in a very similar position to France in otl WW1, will we see similar focus on Bloody attacks? a Germany Mutiny perhaps?
How are things going in Africa? The Allies won yet?
One last thing, when are the British planning to lunch a new offensive against Russia in Persia? It must of great concern to them given how close it is to India.
What was Vlad doing in the Russo-Turkish war? I know he was a 'leader' but he was only 20ish when the war happened, even Russia isn't that neospotic is it?
Also I just realised Germany in this war is in a very similar position to France in otl WW1, will we see similar focus on Bloody attacks? a Germany Mutiny perhaps?
How are things going in Africa? The Allies won yet?
One last thing, when are the British planning to lunch a new offensive against Russia in Persia? It must of great concern to them given how close it is to India.
Vlad was 28, he led a small army during the war, seeing action in the Balkans. So yea, Russia is pretty neospotic. Not as much now however. Vlad's sons are serving in the war, but are pretty old, in thier 50's, and have made thier way through the ranks (mostly) in thier own right.
Germany is becoming increasingly desperate, especially after the Italian capitulation.
Africa is pretty much all but won for the Allies.
The British have successfully contained the Russians in Persia, but by the skin of thier teeth. They have to seriously hold down the fort when it comes to Iranian partisans, which they have more of a problem with than the Russians do with Persian counterparts.
Ok, but Persia is very close to India and the Indian army has always been very large and well trained, it served from the opening of WW1 on the Western front, so why are they not expanding it and then counter attacking. The last big Russian offensive was a year ago, so where are the new Indian troops coming to stop Russia from getting to India? India has a large population and with a little bit of propaganda the Brits can convince them that the Russians are coming for them. Also didn't you say that the 'Iranians' were mostly in the North, were as the South Supported the Persians?
Is any one, most likely Russia, thinking of going through Afghanistan?
Also how is the food situation in Germany? They can't get any overseas supplies and Russia has a large population that it has had trouble feeding in otl.
jeckl
It would depend on the political situation, both in India and the larger empire but I can image a lot of recruiting going on in India. Probably more for the defence of the NW border area than attacking, at least into Afghanistan. Probably reinforcement of the important positions in southern Persia.
A Russian attack through Afghanistan would be pretty much ideal, for the British/Indians.
Think would be a bit better for Russia with the development of motorised transport but this would be just about the worst time in history to try and push a large army through Afghanistan into India. There's so much sheer material you need for it to operate, especially artillery and munitions compared to the ability to transport it. Especially given a large, pretty well trained and equipped army defending its homeland to smash any invaders as they try and force their way out of the mountains. Would be excellent for destroying the Russian army, both materially and morally.Germany could well have some supply problems but Russia, unless very badly run, is one of the world's great breadbaskets at this point. It took communism to make Russian agriculture a serious failure.
One question, I presume the Haber process is fairly wide-spread by now? If not just about everybody will be having problems both feeding themselves and keeping their armies equipped with munitions.
Steve
jeckl
It would depend on the political situation, both in India and the larger empire but I can image a lot of recruiting going on in India. Probably more for the defence of the NW border area than attacking, at least into Afghanistan. Probably reinforcement of the important positions in southern Persia.
A Russian attack through Afghanistan would be pretty much ideal, for the British/Indians.
Germany could well have some supply problems but Russia, unless very badly run, is one of the world's great breadbaskets at this point. It took communism to make Russian agriculture a serious failure.
One question, I presume the Haber process is fairly wide-spread by now? If not just about everybody will be having problems both feeding themselves and keeping their armies equipped with munitions.
Steve
I imagine that a Russian General would look at the maps and think "Hmm, here is a way to attack India with out going through Iran. Lets do it! What could possible go wrong it's not that big of a country?"
As the war being fought in Iran benefits Britain more then expanding it would.
I also wonder where the new Kaiser will launch his attack, to keep up moral at home and to make him as the new leader. It will either be against France or the Poles, I would say Poles for a number of reasons;
1. Easier, just round up some Poles and shot them, bam instant 'terrorist cell' (or what ever they call it) crushed. Don't even need to be involved just kill enough to get the point across.
2. Supplies, better to secure the lines now rather then risk an enemy attack at a key point.
3. Revenge, they did kill his dad. He is human and will want revenge.
Of course the Allies are on German land so kicking out the invaders may take priority. Still an enemy bypassed is no longer an obstacle, an enemy destroyed is no longer a threat, never forget the difference.
So sorry guys, this semester has been pounding me! Ill promise to try and get an update in once I get home after finals.
SilverSwimmer
Good to9 hear you're OK and hope things get better in the school/college soon. Both for you're sake and our hope to see more on the TL.
Steve