The Conference of Africa:To redefine Africas borders

[Rockingham]

WI, sometime during or after WW2, a conference of the Colonial powers/UN/AU decided to redefine Africas decidedly flawed borders? What would the ideal borders for Africa be, from our current perspective? Bonus points for maps.

 

[metallidude]

Borders that run along ethnic lines or states that existed pre-Scramble of Africa era.. Perhaps, a Hausa State and a Yoruba State in Nigeria.. a Zulu state in South Africa.. An Ndebele state and so on and so forth.. You get the jist. Obviously, this would not go smoothly as outlined in many parts of Africa due to the European powers messing everything up by carving lines on the map with complete disregard of the ethnic, racial makeup of the continent.

 

[Lord Insane]

Borders that run along ethnic lines or states that existed pre-Scramble of Africa era.. Perhaps, a Hausa State and a Yoruba State in Nigeria.. a Zulu state in South Africa.. An Ndebele state and so on and so forth.. You get the jist. Obviously, this would not go smoothly as outlined in many parts of Africa due to the European powers messing everything up by carving lines on the map with complete disregard of the ethnic, racial makeup of the continent.

I doubt South Africa, as a more-or-less independent state, would accept new states being carved out from it.

 

[Rockingham]

I doubt South Africa, as a more-or-less independent state, would accept new states being carved out from it.

True, but if black equality was recognized by/forced upon South Africans earlier, they could replicate the system they have now-that is a federation of Afrikaner, English and African regions.

Which might be a good model to work from:confederations/federations with similar borders to the colonies, but with almost total autonomy to the confederate regions which are based on ethnic boundaries.


If French North Africas independance went differently mightn't we see a combined Algerian/Tunisian state? A greater Somalia? Division of Sudan?

 

[Agentdark]

Zaire is 4 states, Sudan is 3, Nigeria is 2, Burkina Faso and Niger are 1 state, Central African Republic is controlled by someone else. Cabinda is controlled by someone else.

All I can think of at the moment

 

[The Federalist]

Can anyone come up with an actual map?

 

[Tyr]

True, but if black equality was recognized by/forced upon South Africans earlier, they could replicate the system they have now-that is a federation of Afrikaner, English and African regions.

That sounds quite like hte system of the apartheid regime.

 

[Prestonian]

Trying to do one at the moment.

 

[Grey Wolf]

If French North Africas independance went differently mightn't we see a combined Algerian/Tunisian state? A greater Somalia? Division of Sudan?

Could be aided by the fact that the King of Tunisia (as he was briefly) was also the dynastic heir to Algeria by the time of independence

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

 

[Prestonian]

Heres what I have so far. Anyone else want to continue it?

 

[Nicksplace27]

If that redefinition happened, it would even more of a shitstorm than before.

 

[Agentdark]

A taureg state is very interesting, and is likely plausible. Some places like Morroco would not be changed becouse of a cultural heritage....

 

[Tyr]

Organising on ethnic lines is a terrible idea.

1: You will get a lot of minorities of other peoples within these lands. If a nation is specifically said to be said for one ethnicity that just makes for discrimination. Not to mention what would happen if a nasty leader would be to take over (if its gonna happen somewhere in todays world it'll be Africa)

2: Natural borders will be reduced to mere suggestions with ethnicities.
Yes you are likely to find their spread was blocked by mountains so over the mountains you get different people but this is not a absolute.

 

[Rockingham]

It's sole basis needn't be ethnic lines. My suggestion was a modification of Africa's boundaries, on any basis. Ideally a modification that would largely benefit Africa, rather then cause it to turn to shit.

Kudos for the map BTW​

 

[Tocomocho]

Heres what I have so far. Anyone else want to continue it?

Admitely, I'm not very tired of my work...

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Well if your going to use The Current Sth Afr as model...then if implemented inthe Aftermath of WWII...the S.Afr "Confederation" would likely include SW Afr...with modifications in the north perhaps, Bechuanaland Prot.( Botswana) and The Prot. of Basutoland (Lesotho) and Swaziland (Ngwane) as well.

Btw, like Greater Somalia...

and do you get Kanem-Bornu back in some form in the NE of Nigeria and Chad.

Madagascar will probably remain a unified entity since it has been a unified kingdom under the Imerina dynasty since the 1820's...

 

[Kaptin Kurk]

Hah. What Africa needed is larger states and forced busing programs.

 

[The Federalist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghreb

Is it possible to have a unified Maghreb state?

 

[Tizoc]

Is it possible to have a unified Maghreb state?

Doubtfull. The last time it was unified took place in XIVth century. From that time Margheb was divided more-or-less like it is today. And people living there identyfy with their state. Unlike in south-of-Sahara Africa...

 

[Prestonian]

Looking at that map, you can see why its a bad idea (like ignoring ethnic differences altogether) to consider only ethnic differences -imagine all the divided communities etc.