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The Professor

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This is it, the movie that started the time (and space) travelling adventures of the titular "Professor" back in the 1950s, still going strong today, the eccentric traveler has become a global hit filling theater and TV screens from Veracruz to Nippon.

It all started as the reborn republic of Venice was enjoying an economic boom, with a movie industry looking for opportunities to expand into new markets. With good amounts of funding and enthusiasm available ideas soon began to click into place, first to make an adventure movie which would be expanded to a TV series if successful, a time travel adventure, which will allow to recycle props and costumes from historical productions if needed, and let the main character travel through space too, make him some kind of highly advanced alien, that way you can fit all kinds of stories into the series.

With a first draft in hand the next step was to look for actors and locations, making the project a joint Venetian-Byzantine production secured the funding and the means to shoot a big part of it in Constantinople, taking things a step further to a Venetian-Byzantine-Ottoman production brought in some excellent outdoor locations and the expertise of an experienced dubbing and subtitling industry which allowed the movie (and the later series) to quickly have a variety of dubbing and subtitles options in several languages.

And then, the characters...

The main character would be the titular "Professor" ("Doctor" in some languages), a highly advanced alien capable of travelling through time and space, a wanderer, scholar, and philanthropist, that prefers to travel around instead of resting on the benefits of his civilization's technology. His home and his relationship with it are deliberately kept vague with hints that he had some kind of disagreement with them and is seen as some kind of eccentric maverick that enjoys meddling on the affairs of primitive planets. He prefers to trick and outwit his opponents, using simple but highly advanced tools (to the point of appearing to be magical), such as "psychic paper" which show whatever he wants and "psychic coins" which anyone will think of as being very valuable, no matter the currency of their civilization. He also carries a multipurpose "sonic gadget" which is used for a variety of things, from opening locks to taking control of vehicles to fixing all kinds of devices, when a character points out that sound can't help (What, are you going to shout at the lock?) he will grumble at the ideas of "primitive physics" that separate "sound, light, and gravity and put them into neat silly boxes".

He lives and travels in what he calls his "laboratory" a huge time machine with many rooms, the movies and the series never give a number or a limit to them, most of the scenes there take place in the control room, covered with futuristic control panels, dials, and screens, built around an impressive central console.

The exterior and the appearance of the machine was another matter, in the first drafts it would change shape to fit it's surroundings, but that would have been too expensive and probably not very convincing, then it was thought to make it look like something mundane like a phone booth, and give the excuse that the "camouflage circuits" were malfunctioning, still not good enough...

And then one of the writers came up with the solution, it has no exterior, as the Professor puts it "It's right there, you can't interact with it because you insist on limiting yourself to just three dimensions." and he can enter and exit it through any door (over time this rule would be bent to include not just doorways and arches, but many things, gates, a pair of stones, or a couple of trees, for example), the visual effects are pretty nice and give the impression that he (and his guests) simply vanishes into (or appears from) thin air in mid-step as if he was naturally walking through a door. His appearance is that of an absent-minded, eccentric scientist, often wearing a huge colorful scarf or some other extravang accessory, a role which was very well played by Brittonic veteran actor Tom Cushing.

And then on to his rival and nemesis, at least for the first movie, the Jester (or Clown, or Joker in some languages). Also a traveler in time and space, coming from the same civilization but with a big difference, he cares only for his own personal amusement. He loves to collect art and other curiosities and has a twisted sense of humour, and will use his powers and technology to steal whatever he feels like or play twisted pranks without caring about the damage caused, sometimes changing the course of history in the process, handling everything as one big joke.

Like the Professor he has a time machine, which he can access through places in deep shadow rather than doorways, its interior is a random mess of shadows and colored lights, reflecting his chaotic nature. He's played by César Romão a former telenovela star from Veracruz looking for a chance to do something different, and he managed to do it wonderfully, wearing the iconic green hair and clown makeup with glee, his manic evil laughter the rants against the Professor are pure gold.

Caught between these two screen veterans are a couple of more mundane human characters played by younger local actors, two "companions" put in to give the Professor relatable sidekicks and prevent the stories from becoming only a struggle between two alien, invincible, untouchable, demigods.

First we have Petra, a young dynamic photographer working for the fictional newspaper "Daily Trumpet", nicknamed "the spider" for her wide "web" of contacts and her sense for finding a new story (her "spider sense" as the gruff Johnah, owner of the Trumpet, puts it). She joins the Professor in present day Constantinople after she's caught up in the aftermath of one of the Jester's crimes, the biggest story in the universe is happening around her and she won't let it go for anything.

And second, Matteo, a violin player picked up in 18th century Venice during a confrontation with the Jester in an opera house, as the Professor and Petra try to undo the damage that the Jester caused to history. Shy and with an excellent ear, a skilled fencer despite needing thick glasses, he sometimes jokes that he doesn't need to see very well because handles his violin and sword by instinct. He's in for the chance of living an incredible adventure, as he puts it, to be a daredevil for once.


And the story?

Well, basically it's a chase through history, things kick off in the present day when the Jester crashes the opening ceremony of the new Bosphorus hover-ferry, robbing the guests in search of a few rare antique jewelry pieces that they're wearing. Petra's day has just become a lot more interesting than covering an average ribbon cutting ceremony.

He's interrupted by the Professor, who manages to chase him and retrieve the jewels with Petra's help. With this theft thwarted the chase is on to catch the Jester and stop his crime spree, and that will lead to a showdown during a opera night in 18th century Venice where they infiltrate the theater with the excuse of being a couple of stage helpers, it's going to be a very eventful night, with a time travelling criminal to catch while making sure that the opera premieres as it's supposed to, thankfully Matteo will join them with helpful skills and local knowledge.

So the Jester is thwarted and locked inside his own time machine which is locked down and blocked in a "pocket dimension" out of the flow of normal time, seemingly forever? Not quite, the Professor points out that a genius like "the clown prince of crime" will surely find a way out, but that will take time ("It will take time for him to get back into time,"), until then the universe can rest and repair the damage of his crimes.

And there is a lot to repair, the damage to the timeline has been piling up and has reached a critical point and now history has been blown off-course, meaning that the Professor and his companions return not to present day Constantinople but to "Istanbul".

The timeline is in flux, turning into an alternate version where Constantinople is long gone, conquered by a sultan some centuries before and now part of a "Turkish Republic" (not a very original name, actually there are a lot of "Republic of This" and "That Republic" on this alternate world map, but for the purposes of the movie it's good enough). A few moments in a bookstore show how widespread the changes are, strange names almost everywhere, New Amsterdam is still there but it changed to New York, why did they do that? Maybe they just liked it better that way, the Professor quips.

Indeed, if Petra is overwhelmed and Matteo concerned, the Professor is more optimistic, the Jester's changes are thankfully limited to the history of this planet, haven't settled down completely yet and can be undone, it will take some work and a lot of adventure, so, let us begin, shall we?


And so the movie ends, the tv series goes on and expands the story and the universe with visits to Earth's history in order to repair the damage caused by the Jester and to the future and other worlds. It will also introduce new antagonists such as the Cyberwarriors, a species of space dwelling cyborgs looking to capture and convert humans that views emotions, art, and other such things as chaotic deviations that must the stamped out, as the Professor puts it "The Jester was the evil of chaos, this is the evil of order". Another one are the Aleps, mutant intelligent cephalopods that emerged from a polluted ocean world, always zooming around in personal robotic vehicles that look like a giant salt-shaker topped by a dome and a single baleful eye, with a history of constant warfare which destroyed their world's ecosystems, they look for new worlds to conquer and inhabit, hating every other lifeform with a bitterness created by lifetimes of hatred and conflict. They were inspired by a particularly murky little Venetian canal which would be cleaned up after several complaints ("Even the tv monsters would run away from there").

Despite the seriousness of these new antagonists the series often takes a light tone, with frequent moments of humour and many episodes centered around a visit to a lighthearted historical moment or a funny future society that requires the protagonists to solve a humorous misunderstanding or help along in a romantic plot. Also the Jester returns several times, with outlandish schemes and improbable hijinks, keeping his role of main antagonist on movies and pivotal episodes.

The series turned out to be a massive success leading to further movies and the need to reinvent itself as the actors wished and needed to move on other projects, but that had a simple solution, the companions could just settle down and let new ones come in while the Professor, being a highly advanced alien being, would change his appearance from time to time, "regenerating" himself whenever he needed to recover from an injury or felt fatigued after a particularly troublesome adventure, allowing for another actor to step into the role.

Which was the case for a long time as the franchise would be quite long lasting and well loved.
 
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Banned
Saladin movie

Directed by Mostafa Akkad, and Sean Connery would have played the title role

His death in the 2005 Amman bombings prevented this
 
First Blood (1978) (Dir. Sydney Pollack)
Starring Brad Davis, Gene Hackman and Lee Marvin

Garnering rave reviews since its release in 1972, David Morell's novel First Blood had already been subject to an immediate - and failed - attempt at an adaptation by Columbia Pictures, only to fall apart due to logistical issues. It took several years for Warner Bros. executive John Calley to pick up the film rights to the novel in 1975, investing substantial personal effort in getting the project off the ground despite studio concerns that such a film might prove just too bleak, even in light of a cinema environment increasingly filled with what an executive called "despair-inducing films". Once a script was developed by David Rabe, proper financing was found by Calley and Oscar-nominated director Sydney Pollack was brought on board, resulting in eventual filming and production in British Columbia from late 1977 to early 1978.​

First Blood opens with a flashback to the Vietnam War, with the highly skilled Green Beret operative John Rambo (Brad Davis) escaping capture at the hands of the North Vietnamese and wandering into the jungle. After a montage suggesting the passage of weeks and months avoiding capture, Rambo stumbles upon an American patrol. Realizing that he had already crossed into South Vietnam months ago, Rambo laughs before breaking down in tears.

In the present day (1978), a wandering Rambo - now a traumatized, barely functional drifter - stumbles into the quiet, fictional town of Madison, Kentucky. The local Sheriff, Will Teasle (Gene Hackman), is quick to dismiss Rambo as a vagabond and tries to force him out of town, only for Rambo to repeatedly stand his ground. Locked up by the Sheriff on charges of vagrancy, and despite showing interest in Teasle's background as a highly decorated Korean War veteran, Rambo nonetheless keeps on a stoic facade, refusing to reveal his identity. The failure of both men to communicate - also fueled by Teasle's frustrations over a nasty ongoing divorce - soon escalates into a confrontation when an attempt to cut Rambo's hair triggers intense flashbacks of his captivity in Vietnam. An out of control Rambo storms out of the jail after brutally murdering two of Teasle's deputies, stealing a motorcycle and driving into the local mountains to hide.

An irate Teasle resolves to avenge his men, leading a posse of deputies and local hunter Kellerman (John Houseman) - a father figure to Teasle - into the woods on the hunt for the fugitive. Wowing to give the Sheriff "the war he wants", Rambo obtains a weapon and supplies from a local moonshiner (Charles Cypher), and upon killing Kellerman and his dogs to obstruct Teasle's efforts, he proceeds to ruthlessly apply guerrilla tactics in the fight against the posse. In a series of sequences highly suggestive of horror films - which would later help inspire the slasher film craze - Rambo ambushes the deputies and picks them off one by one, either killing or heavily injuring them in the process. Refusing to turn back until its too late, Teasle is soon left alone against Rambo, and only - very narrowly - survives despite sustaining serious injuries by drawing on his own experiences as a veteran.

Shortly after the woods massacre, scores of National Guardsmen flood Madison and the surrounding areas, turning the search for Rambo into a major manhunt. Over the next few days, the film briefly alternates between the perspectives of Rambo, whose unsuccessful efforts at trying to live a normal life after Vietnam are shown; and a somewhat humbled Teasle, who, upon learning of Rambo's identity from his former commanding officer Colonel Trautman (Lee Marvin), develops an odd sense of sympathy for the fugitive. Trautman, for his part, quickly emerges as a sort of heroic antagonist for the rest of the film, coordinating an effective chase against Rambo while fending off the ailing Teasle's efforts to intervene. Despite Rambo being able to overcome Trautman's first ambush, the second one leaves him injured and forced into an abandoned mine. Despite the mine's intense triggering of his traumas, Rambo is able to prevail and find an alternate way out, just outside of Madison.

Seemingly offered one final chance to turn away, Rambo decides to return to town upon catching a glimpse of Teasle, who, having previously collapsed on account of his own injuries, was turned away from the National Guard camp. Arming himself with improvised explosives, Rambo blows up a gas station and is confronted by Teasle on the police department building, resulting in a second duel between both men. Despite being both heavily injured, neither man is willing to give up, with both shouting over their own sense of alienation in life, and their feeling of being forgotten by their country despite their service. Chasing Rambo out of the burning building, Teasle is able to shoot him in the chest, only to receive a final return shot. As the National Guard arrives, Rambo concedes his defeat, only to express bitter disappointment at seeing that he has left the Sheriff unable to finish the job.

Armed with a shotgun, Colonel Trautman coldly puts Rambo down for good with a single shot, and walks over to the fallen Sheriff. After posing a philosophical question to Trautman over the differences between him and Rambo, Teasle dies of his wounds.​

Upon intense discussions on whether Pollack's rough cut of the film, two and half hours long, could be sustained, a negative test screening led executives at Warner to try and force a 90 to 100 minute version of First Blood. When the truncated version proved even more disastrous to test audiences, a so-called "compromise cut" emerged, leaving First Blood at around two hours whilst substantially cutting down on Rambo and Teasle's monologues.

A clear financial success in America - not so much internationally -, the film's violent, bleak tone proved to be highly polarizing with audiences and particularly with critics, divided over whether the brutality of First Blood managed to drive home its message and commentary on the Vietnam War, the treatment of veterans, Teasle and Rambo's war trauma (later recognized as a form of PTSD), and a sense of personal isolation; or on whether the violence - or "exploitative sadism", as a critic put it - ended up drowning the overall message.

In later years, First Blood has been broadly recognized as one the greatest films of the late 70's, with Davis, Hackman and Marvin all earning distinctive and lasting praise for their performances and their respective rapport.​
 
Good movie writeup, @LumineVonReuental. I'm surprised you didn't cast John Savage as Rambo--he would have been a good choice, given that he also played a Vietnam veteran in The Deer Hunter and, in 1979, played a cop suffering from PTSD after he and his partner were kidnapped and the latter murdered in The Onion Field...
 
The Professor

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This is it, the movie that started the time (and space) travelling adventures of the titular "Professor" back in the 1950s, still going strong today, the eccentric traveler has become a global hit filling theater and TV screens from Veracruz to Nippon.

It all started as the reborn republic of Venice was enjoying an economic boom, with a movie industry looking for opportunities to expand into new markets. With good amounts of funding and enthusiasm available ideas soon began to click into place, first to make an adventure movie which would be expanded to a TV series if successful, a time travel adventure, which will allow to recycle props and costumes from historical productions if needed, and let the main character travel through space too, make him some kind of highly advanced alien, that way you can fit all kinds of stories into the series.

With a first draft in hand the next step was to look for actors and locations, making the project a joint Venetian-Byzantine production secured the funding and the means to shoot a big part of it in Constantinople, taking things a step further to a Venetian-Byzantine-Ottoman production brought in some excellent outdoor locations and the expertise of an experienced dubbing and subtitling industry which allowed the movie (and the later series) to quickly have a variety of dubbing and subtitles options in several languages.

And then, the characters...

The main character would be the titular "Professor" ("Doctor" in some languages), a highly advanced alien capable of travelling through time and space, a wanderer, scholar, and philanthropist, that prefers to travel around instead of resting on the benefits of his civilization's technology. His home and his relationship with it are deliberately kept vague with hints that he had some kind of disagreement with them and is seen as some kind of eccentric maverick that enjoys meddling on the affairs of primitive planets. He prefers to trick and outwit his opponents, using simple but highly advanced tools (to the point of appearing to be magical), such as "psychic paper" which show whatever he wants and "psychic coins" which anyone will think of as being very valuable, no matter the currency of their civilization. He also carries a multipurpose "sonic gadget" which is used for a variety of things, from opening locks to taking control of vehicles to fixing all kinds of devices, when a character points out that sound can't help (What, are you going to shout at the lock?) he will grumble at the ideas of "primitive physics" that separate "sound, light, and gravity and put them into neat silly boxes".

He lives and travels in what he calls his "laboratory" a huge time machine with many rooms, the movies and the series never give a number or a limit to them, most of the scenes there take place in the control room, covered with futuristic control panels, dials, and screens, built around an impressive central console.

The exterior and the appearance of the machine was another matter, in the first drafts it would change shape to fit it's surroundings, but that would have been too expensive and probably not very convincing, then it was thought to make it look like something mundane like a phone booth, and give the excuse that the "camouflage circuits" were malfunctioning, still not good enough...

And then one of the writers came up with the solution, it has no exterior, as the Professor puts it "It's right there, you can't interact with it because you insist on limiting yourself to just three dimensions." and he can enter and exit it through any door (over time this rule would be bent to include not just doorways and arches, but many things, gates, a pair of stones, or a couple of trees, for example), the visual effects are pretty nice and give the impression that he (and his guests) simply vanishes into (or appears from) thin air in mid-step as if he was naturally walking through a door. His appearance is that of an absent-minded, eccentric scientist, often wearing a huge colorful scarf or some other extravang accessory, a role which was very well played by Brittonic veteran actor Tom Cushing.

And then on to his rival and nemesis, at least for the first movie, the Jester (or Clown, or Joker in some languages). Also a traveler in time and space, coming from the same civilization but with a big difference, he cares only for his own personal amusement. He loves to collect art and other curiosities and has a twisted sense of humour, and will use his powers and technology to steal whatever he feels like or play twisted pranks without caring about the damage caused, sometimes changing the course of history in the process, handling everything as one big joke.

Like the Professor he has a time machine, which he can access through places in deep shadow rather than doorways, its interior is a random mess of shadows and colored lights, reflecting his chaotic nature. He's played by César Romão a former telenovela star from Veracruz looking for a chance to do something different, and he managed to do it wonderfully, wearing the iconic green hair and clown makeup with glee, his manic evil laughter the rants against the Professor are pure gold.

Caught between these two screen veterans are a couple of more mundane human characters played by younger local actors, two "companions" put in to give the Professor relatable sidekicks and prevent the stories from becoming only a struggle between two alien, invincible, untouchable, demigods.

First we have Petra, a young dynamic photographer working for the fictional newspaper "Daily Trumpet", nicknamed "the spider" for her wide "web" of contacts and her sense for finding a new story (her "spider sense" as the gruff Johnah, owner of the Trumpet, puts it). She joins the Professor in present day Constantinople after she's caught up in the aftermath of one of the Jester's crimes, the biggest story in the universe is happening around her and she won't let it go for anything.

And second, Matteo, a violin player picked up in 18th century Venice during a confrontation with the Jester in an opera house, as the Professor and Petra try to undo the damage that the Jester caused to history. Shy and with an excellent ear, a skilled fencer despite needing thick glasses, he sometimes jokes that he doesn't need to see very well because handles his violin and sword by instinct. He's in for the chance of living an incredible adventure, as he puts it, to be a daredevil for once.


And the story?

Well, basically it's a chase through history, things kick off in the present day when the Jester crashes the opening ceremony of the new Bosphorus hover-ferry, robbing the guests in search of a few rare antique jewelry pieces that they're wearing. Petra's day has just become a lot more interesting than covering an average ribbon cutting ceremony.

He's interrupted by the Professor, who manages to chase him and retrieve the jewels with Petra's help. With this theft thwarted the chase is on to catch the Jester and stop his crime spree, and that will lead to a showdown during a opera night in 18th century Venice where they infiltrate the theater with the excuse of being a couple of stage helpers, it's going to be a very eventful night, with a time travelling criminal to catch while making sure that the opera premieres as it's supposed to, thankfully Matteo will join them with helpful skills and local knowledge.

So the Jester is thwarted and locked inside his own time machine which is locked down and blocked in a "pocket dimension" out of the flow of normal time, seemingly forever? Not quite, the Professor points out that a genius like "the clown prince of crime" will surely find a way out, but that will take time ("It will take time for him to get back into time,"), until then the universe can rest and repair the damage of his crimes.

And there is a lot to repair, the damage to the timeline has been piling up and has reached a critical point and now history has been blown off-course, meaning that the Professor and his companions return not to present day Constantinople but to "Istanbul".

The timeline is in flux, turning into an alternate version where Constantinople is long gone, conquered by a sultan some centuries before and now part of a "Turkish Republic" (not a very original name, actually there are a lot of "Republic of This" and "That Republic" on this alternate world map, but for the purposes of the movie it's good enough). A few moments in a bookstore show how widespread the changes are, strange names almost everywhere, New Amsterdam is still there but it changed to New York, why did they do that? Maybe they just liked it better that way, the Professor quips.

Indeed, if Petra is overwhelmed and Matteo concerned, the Professor is more optimistic, the Jester's changes are thankfully limited to the history of this planet, haven't settled down completely yet and can be undone, it will take some work and a lot of adventure, so, let us begin, shall we?


And so the movie ends, the tv series goes on and expands the story and the universe with visits to Earth's history in order to repair the damage caused by the Jester and to the future and other worlds. It will also introduce new antagonists such as the Cyberwarriors, a species of space dwelling cyborgs looking to capture and convert humans that views emotions, art, and other such things as chaotic deviations that must the stamped out, as the Professor puts it "The Jester was the evil of chaos, this is the evil of order". Another one are the Aleps, mutant intelligent cephalopods that emerged from a polluted ocean world, always zooming around in personal robotic vehicles that look like a giant salt-shaker topped by a dome and a single baleful eye, with a history of constant warfare which destroyed their world's ecosystems, they look for new worlds to conquer and inhabit, hating every other lifeform with a bitterness created by lifetimes of hatred and conflict. They were inspired by a particularly murky little Venetian canal which would be cleaned up after several complaints ("Even the tv monsters would run away from there").

Despite the seriousness of these new antagonists the series often takes a light tone, with frequent moments of humour and many episodes centered around a visit to a lighthearted historical moment or a funny future society that requires the protagonists to solve a humorous misunderstanding or help along in a romantic plot. Also the Jester returns several times, with outlandish schemes and improbable hijinks, keeping his role of main antagonist on movies and pivotal episodes.

The series turned out to be a massive success leading to further movies and the need to reinvent itself as the actors wished and needed to move on other projects, but that had a simple solution, the companions could just settle down and let new ones come in while the Professor, being a highly advanced alien being, would change his appearance from time to time, "regenerating" himself whenever he needed to recover from an injury or felt fatigued after a particularly troublesome adventure, allowing for another actor to step into the role.

Which was the case for a long time as the franchise would be quite long lasting and well loved.
Oh, this sounds good... 😀
 
First Blood (1978) (Dir. Sydney Pollack)
Starring Brad Davis, Gene Hackman and Lee Marvin

Garnering rave reviews since its release in 1972, David Morell's novel First Blood had already been subject to an immediate - and failed - attempt at an adaptation by Columbia Pictures, only to fall apart due to logistical issues. It took several years for Warner Bros. executive John Calley to pick up the film rights to the novel in 1975, investing substantial personal effort in getting the project off the ground despite studio concerns that such a film might prove just too bleak, even in light of a cinema environment increasingly filled with what an executive called "despair-inducing films". Once a script was developed by David Rabe, proper financing was found by Calley and Oscar-nominated director Sydney Pollack was brought on board, resulting in eventual filming and production in British Columbia from late 1977 to early 1978.



Upon intense discussions on whether Pollack's rough cut of the film, two and half hours long, could be sustained, a negative test screening led executives at Warner to try and force a 90 to 100 minute version of First Blood. When the truncated version proved even more disastrous to test audiences, a so-called "compromise cut" emerged, leaving First Blood at around two hours whilst substantially cutting down on Rambo and Teasle's monologues.

A clear financial success in America - not so much internationally -, the film's violent, bleak tone proved to be highly polarizing with audiences and particularly with critics, divided over whether the brutality of First Blood managed to drive home its message and commentary on the Vietnam War, the treatment of veterans, Teasle and Rambo's war trauma (later recognized as a form of PTSD), and a sense of personal isolation; or on whether the violence - or "exploitative sadism", as a critic put it - ended up drowning the overall message.

In later years, First Blood has been broadly recognized as one the greatest films of the late 70's, with Davis, Hackman and Marvin all earning distinctive and lasting praise for their performances and their respective rapport.​
Well done!
 
Good movie writeup, @LumineVonReuental. I'm surprised you didn't cast John Savage as Rambo--he would have been a good choice, given that he also played a Vietnam veteran in The Deer Hunter and, in 1979, played a cop suffering from PTSD after he and his partner were kidnapped and the latter murdered in The Onion Field...

Oh, that's a great suggestion, I didn't have Savage on my radar. I picked Davis because he was actually cast in one of the failed attempts to get the film done in OTL and seemed like he had the ability to portray an emotionally complex character, and also because I wanted to avoid a different "big name" as Rambo (like, say, Pacino).

In the end, there's a lot of different alternate casts that would have worked brilliantly with the source material, I actually read the novel before seeing the film, and have always wondered how a straight-forward adaptation might look. Though I can certainly respect the decision to make Rambo sympathetic in the film, I do regret that much of Teasle's complexity was lost in making him more of a clear-cut villain.
 
Though I can certainly respect the decision to make Rambo sympathetic in the film, I do regret that much of Teasle's complexity was lost in making him more of a clear-cut villain.
I think Brian Dennehy, who played Teasle in OTL, could have played a more complex version of him, IMO...

Not that Stallone was bad as Rambo (I also have an idea that Rambo had other issues besides Vietnam, like a rough childhood, which wouldn't have helped his psyche)--IMO, they should have ended it with the fourth Rambo, as that had a perfect ending...
 
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Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse

A theatrical 2D PG-13 animated film of 2005, it was inspired by some of the events after The Clone Saga along with the mysterious Judas Traveler in the 1990s run. Focusing on an older Peter Parker/Spider-Man as a veteran hero and wrestling with what awaits in his life. After the death of his Aunt May and he and Mary Jane splitting, the film portrayed a sort of lost wariness to the hero. As he wondered what could he do now, he stumbles on the mysterious warlock known as Judas Traveler, who has been hunting down "people like him" and after managing to dodge him and nearly cornering him with the police, Judas Traveler escapes into a strange portal with Peter following him across the Multiverse.

Traveler tells Peter that he is connected to the "Web of Destiny", a powerful web that expands beyond the universe and trying to use that thread to rewrite time and create his ideal universe. Among the way of stopping him, Peter is guided by the mysterious Madam Web (who is later revealed to be an ex of Judas) and meets various spider-heroes, such as Miguel O'Hara from a cyberpunk future of 2099, Mr. Anansi, a Spider-Man of Ghana from a world who uses magic and perhaps quite personal to Peter, a Spider-Woman who is none other than Gwen Stacy. The various Spider-Heroes stop Traveler from reaching the center of the web and thus saving the web of timelines and Peter saying good-bye to his fellow Spider heroes along with a mutual longing look from Gwen, as she earlier brought up going to the "Webless" line (a world where neither existed) for them to settle down, but he notes that it wouldn't be right since they have to go back and protect their homes and the two part before Spider-Man returns to his world.

The film was lauded for introducing the prototype of the multiverse to the mainstream along with the different animated styles and so on for the various Spider-heroes. The plot was a bit surprising, but focused on the impact people have on one another's lives, as seen where Peter sees a grim future without him as Spider-Man to help. TIt also shows the nature on self-sacrifice as Peter goes to stop the final phase despite it potentially killing him, not wanting anyone else to go. The film however was a bit controversial for its bittersweet ending. While some saw it as mature for Spider-Man to continue on being the hero he needs to be, while others highlighted how messed up it was given how it seems that no one is willing to help Spider-Man out and the undertones that him going instead of the others was because he didn't have anyone else waiting for him. Summed up in an semi-infamous line when a preteen was asked on the film after it came out as part of a news segment reviewing it. "They say Spider-man is the greatest hero who ever lived, but they don't ever say that until after he's dead. That's messed up."

And now, in lieu of the upcoming sequel(s)

Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (2009)

A theatical 2D PG-13 animated film, it is the sequel of Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, coming out in 2009. Alot has changed since the release of the first film. Animated action films have become a more serious venue for financial and critical success thanks to the film, giving a fresh breath of life to the medium. As for Spider-Man himself, the film would have an impact on the direction of the comics, especially as J. Micheal Straczynski had reflected on some of the ideas of the films and opted for a more optimistic tone in his comics. Additionally, the big thing would be when then editor-in-chief Joe Quesada attempted to enforce the seperation of Peter and MJ over in the mainstream comics, a newsbit that was leaked out and caused a backlash, which some attributed to the 2005 film influencing how people thought of Spider-Man's treatment over in the comics. This got worse when the "how" was seemingly through a deal with Mephisto and painted an unpleasant view of the editor-in-chief, especially with comments on the why there was such motivaton

Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse's writing seemed to reflect the growing backlash against Quesada and some of the creative heads. Taking inspiration from the JMS run, it sees Spider-Man nearing 30 and reflecting on his life. While has has become a scientist now at General Techtronics' East Laboratory (where he got his spider-bite) and has moved up in the world, he reflects on whether he should've taken Spider-Gwen's offer. However, past meets present when he would be surprised by Mary Jane at his job, wanting to go and talk to him. She begins setting up a rather serious conversation with him, but is cut off when someone tries to ambush her, only fo Peter to cut him off. The figure turns out to be none other than Morlun. A vampiric-entity, he goes and kidnaps Mary Jane, seemingly with the purpose to use her as bait to lure Spider-Man. However, Spidey learns that Morlun is a multiversal hopper, like Traveler. It turns out that Judas once worked for Morlun before usurping him. However, Morlun's goals are instead to feed on people tied to the Web of Destiny. While it mirrored aspects of the first film, Morlun proved to be a more ruthless antagonist than Traveler, with Spidey having to be proactive. Beyond recruiting Mr. Anasnsi, Miguel and even Spider-Gwen, he runs into new Spider-people such as Pavitr Prabhakar, a Spider-Man from India, Spider-Pig, a Spider version from a world of cartoony animals and most notably Spider-Girl, whom Peter feels a close bond with.

The animation and styles were further pushed to their limit along with the exploratons of time and identity. The team splits up to take care of Morlun, who wishes to feed on the Spider-people for his own purposes, with MJ being bait for Peter. Indeed, many Spider people are seen, including cameos from various cartoons and the like. However, his underestimation of MJ leads to Morlun's downfall, especially as Mary Jane is resuced by Gwen and Spider-Girl. A talk with Gwen allows MJ to vent her own insecurities on feeling like in Gwen's shadow along with the danger of her life. However, Gwen notes MJ still visited Peter and the fact that MJ is miserable without Peter in her life. Gwen asks MJ to not make the same mistake that she and the Gwen that she knew made along with expressing admiration for MJ's confidence in what she wants. Spider-Girl would say the same thing to MJ, saying that one cannot keep running away from their past or their feelings and you have to face it to get what you want, something she noted her mother told her. This enboldens MJ to get involved, distracting Morlun enough during the fight with the Spiders for Peter to gain the upper-hand. Thanks to everyone's prep work, Morlun has the energy he absorbed sucked out of him and despite being vastly superior to Spider-Man in might and speed, ends up losing to him and everyone else. However, Morlun escapes, telling Peter that he will return before leaping to beyond the Web. When Peter talks to MJ after the ordeal, MJ confessed that she had wanted to talk to Peter about the gulf between them and how the adventure made her realize she cannot keep running away. Indeed, she gets back together with him, with a big smooth and everything.

The film was more optimistic and uplifting than the previous film, reflecting the differing time periods and at the same time, perhaps as a rebuke to some of the issues the writers felt over with how the comics were being run. After all, with things like Civil War and the like fresh on everyone's minds, it certainly painted an unpretty picture of th whole situation. The film would be confirmed to have a sequel in the works. Despite Sony owning the movie rights, Disney's acquisition of Marvel and the success of the films would have them push hard for getting the television and film rights. Sony agreed on the condition, but they were wanting to make the final film of the Spiderverse trilogy, which Disney offered to help fund. Disney would also be influenced to make some broad changes, including switching up the staff and letting go of alot of people, including Quesada. The next film, Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse, was stated for a 2011 release.
 
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Getting rid of Quesada and One More Day can only be worth it- thank you @CountDVB.

Be interesting if this grown up Peter (Universe 617) met the older, father Peter from Spider-Girl’s reality (892) I could imagine sharing a lot of notes.

Not inventing Morlun’s family is wise, they are well Overpowered in the comics, keeping it to one villain making things clearer and does not need the army of Spider-people used in the comics - the Spider-Army is a great idea, but few of the Heroes got enough screen time, even taking into account the spin off books. Trying to get that into 1 movie would not work.

ITTL me would have loved to see a wall panel/web with views of the multiverse so we see Spider-Hulk, Cosmic Spider, Japanese Spider-Man, Otto Spider-Man, Etc

Looking forward to more.
 
Getting rid of Quesada and One More Day can only be worth it- thank you @CountDVB.

Be interesting if this grown up Peter (Universe 617) met the older, father Peter from Spider-Girl’s reality (892) I could imagine sharing a lot of notes.

Not inventing Morlun’s family is wise, they are well Overpowered in the comics, keeping it to one villain making things clearer and does not need the army of Spider-people used in the comics - the Spider-Army is a great idea, but few of the Heroes got enough screen time, even taking into account the spin off books. Trying to get that into 1 movie would not work.

ITTL me would have loved to see a wall panel/web with views of the multiverse so we see Spider-Hulk, Cosmic Spider, Japanese Spider-Man, Otto Spider-Man, Etc

Looking forward to more.
Yeah, Quesada here overreached and suffered for it. One More Day still happened, but the bigger backlash meant a bigger more prominent backlash with other things which will have a consequence on Marvel Comics and on their new owner in Disney.

Honestly, Morlun's family didn't appear until like the mid-2010s anyway. And yeah, not as many Spider people here yet. Really, the only invention was Mr. Anansi as a Spider-Man of Ghana and likely inspired by when Static Shock's Anansi of the television series. Though while from Ghana, his world is more what if magic was more commonplace. He does serve a bit as a co-leader with Spider-Man. Mr. Anansi will probably get his own mini-series later on as he proves to be more popular and uses it to create a world where Africa was not subjected to European colonization (at most, just Hong Kong-esque port cities), thanks to the usage of magic letting them keep up.

So yeah, we don't have too many Spideys to overwhelm. Besides Madam Web as mission control, we had Mr. Anansi (who helped guide Peter and provided some advice on life and aging) Miguel O'Hara (who inspires him in hero work and the importance of the futue) and Gwen Stacy as Spider-Woman (helping to bring some form of closure. Gwen here is likely an expy of DC's Barbara Gordon, which would be pretty explicit in interviews).

And yeah, second movie gave us Indian Spider-Man (which has hints of a multipolar world and shows the importance of teenagerdom), the cartoony Spider-Pig (which notes the need for comedy) and of course, Spider-Girl, who comes from an alternate of MC2 (just a decade or so ahead of comics MC2). So in likelihood, Beyond the Spider-Verse will give us three more spideys at least. Not much more, but they all do serve a purpose of sorts and do have some fun background scenes, like Mr. Anansi seemingly flirting with Madam Web or Miguel O'Hara comparing futures with Mayday.
 
Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse (2011)

The last in the "Spider-Verse trilogy", Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse would continue the trend of proving animated action films can succeed in the box office and for critics along with signalling the end of an era for Marvel. Disney has been having some big plans for Marvel and they have been working to incorporate these plans in them. And this was seen with the upcoming Marvel Cinematic Universe, which has been seeing a steady growth and success. Meanwhile, the comics have also been changing in this reflection, with things being set-up for game-changing events. One would be the Fear Itself even which would see the reveal of Cul come and try to bring about Ragnarok and end the world though his plans have begun expanding to the universe, tying in past events such as Annihilation. Meanwhile, Spider-Island would see alot of people be granted Spider powers and the new writer was trying to wrap up what JMS has brought up regarding the mystical aspects while the arc serving as a love letter for Spider-Man. Additionally, it was also setting up for for a final arc in 2012, which appeared to be based off of 2012 phenomena. And interestingly enough, even Beyond the Spider-Verse would hint at this.

The film starts off with Peter and Mary Jane now engaged over and talking of their future. Peter notes that he has also been tracking on what Morlun meant. However, the film would also contain a surprise when Peter would see Mr. Anansi arrive, telling him that Morlun has been hunting other spiders and causing chaos. Peter suits up though Mary Jane comes along with him, noting they were in this together. As they traveled over and connected the old group, they would begin unraveling the mystery of Morlun hunting a second Spider-Man who know no one recognizes, but is said to be as important as Peter. The other Spider-folk maintain prominence and take turns talking, such as a further talk between Spider-Gwen and MJ. Here, they meet up a few more Spider-folk. One is a Spider-Man from a noir setting, who is also named Peter Parker though looking and acting different from our Peter. Peter realizes that this man is an alternate version of his paternal grandfather, whom he was named after. Peter I becomes surprised at the thought of having children and while in a relationship with Ann, questions the certainty of it with his relationship, which Peter reassures. However, it becomes noticeable that they are all going backward in time. They next end up in an alternate steampunk Victorian England where they meet up with the Lady Spider, a spirited woman who uses steampunk tech to fight. Ostracized for being of Irish descent, she is revealed to be an alternate version of Aunt May's ancestress. Lady Spider is pleased to hear of the growing victories of women in the future along with how she has a nephew of her own, likely who would become Aunt May's great grandfather. Interestingly enough, Captain Britain of all characters is alluded to, namely when Lady Spider uses magic to help them portal hop, noting she dated him before they got too busy. Peter remarks that he knows of the Captain Britain of his time as Brian Braddock, who he noted were pretty good friends and roommates. MJ also slyly notes how she remembered Brian tried to set up Peter with his sister Betsy. The whole thing reminded Peter of how strong his aunt was along with reminding him that he still has friends and a support group.

They end up further in the past with Morlun trying to fight a knight, this time revealed to be an homage to Marvel 1602. Fighting an alternate ancestor of Peter, he is a peasant who tries to become a knight and who got powers from being bitten by some sort of magic jumping spider (the comics revealing to be from the land of Faerie). This Sir Spider would remind Peter of his past once more, of how he wanted to rise from being poor and make a name for himself, while also wondering in how to contribute back. However, here Peter realizes Morlun's plan likely involves going further back in time and indeed, they go back further where Morlun seemingly has the Spider-Man pinned only for a Spider-Woman to come and tackle him. The other Spiders go and web him up while Sir Spider and Anansi use magic and Peter the same energy draining device. Morlun reveals that they are beyond the Spiderverse... the source of the web where the loom spins. He notes that reaching her was Judas' plan, but unlock Judas, who wished to create a timeline where he would rule, Morlun plans to recreate himself through the existence, noting that there were many multiverses and organized in many ways, showing how intimidating he could be along with a glimpse of the infinite scales of possibilty. He tried to attack the so-called Second Spider, explaining that he was the only other Spider besides Peter that had a solid connection to the core of the Web (he noted he tried to attack Mayday, but her connection was not fully formed). Pete pushed the Second Spider out of the way and was willing to sacrifice himself, mocking Morlun for the fact that his time-traveling escapades brought a load of energy to the big bang. And indeed, while Morlun would seemingly recreate himself, he would also recreate his eternal defeat by the Spider-Men. The black Spider-Man pulled him out and saving him, even calling him Pete. When asked how he knows him, the black Spider-Man says they will meet again along with a sassy comment from the Spider-Woman, which Peter recognizes as Anya and overhears the name of the black Spider-Man...

And as they return home and the Web finally saved, Peter and MJ go home. As they arrive home, Peter says that they need to take a trip...

Over in Harlem, Peter goes and helps a teen who was trying to stop some crooks and it didn't take long for him to realize the teen has Spider powers too from an accident. Peter, remembering Mr. Anansi's words of fate, smiles at the teen when the cops take the crooks away. Peter stood in front of the young Afro-Latino.

"Your name is Miles Morales, right?"

"Yeah... wait, how did you do that?"

"My name is Peter Parker and I am Spider-Man... and so I ask you... you wanna be the next Spider-Man?"

The reveal of Miles Morales would be postively. He was initially meant for an arc in Ultimate Marvel that got scrapped the last minute thanks to the whole thing getting canned. However, Miles would make his appearance in the epilogue of "Spider-Island" and meant to be set up as Peter's successor along with plans to expand on the role of Anya Corazon. Miles would start standing out compared to Peter, especially as the notes showed how Miles was much more involved in the community than Peter was. Additionally, in the notes revealed of Ultimate, while both he and Pete were fans of Captain America, Pete's second fave hero was Iron Man while Miles was the Samuel L Jackson inspired Nick Fury. This showed Miles as a different Spider-Man in tactics and approach, especially with his powers of superior camoflage and releasing "venom blast" (said to be different than the bioelectric blasts of Jessica Drew). In a sense, Miles was more for espionage, careful fighting and social tactics unlike the genius that is Peter. Additionally, the comparisons were drawn in background. While both working class, Miles is not the teen genius Peter is, if still intellectually gifted. However, he has a more active social life and understanding of friendships that the shy and awkward Peter lacked the chance when he was Miles' age (something Miles noted when Peter noted he was the kid that was not really invited to birthday parties).

Meanwhile, the big idea of change and the upcoming nature was seen in the 2012 arc Inphoenix (a play on infinite and phoenix) which saw Marvel do a quasi-reboot of their timeline as a result of the Phoenix coming to Hope Summers combined with the Infinity Stones being used by the Avengers to counter the Phoenix, which would see the X-Men and Avengers come together to deal with potential doomsday. This was done by Disney mandate to make things simpler and easier to understand, including release a new Marvel encyclopedia like series that retold these stories. This focus on youth and passing the torch would become prevelant for Marvel as beyond Spider-Man, Disney would look to other young heroes and began promoting Young Avengers, creating their own animated series for them along with plans of repurposing the Runaways.

The next Spider-Man film would be the live action The Amazing Spider-Man over in 2012, following The Avengers film. Starring Logan Lerman as Peter Parker, it would see Spidey be introduced in the periphery of this MCU and his rise with the new status, including a post-credit scene of him him fighting off the alien invaders, the Badoon (originally meant as the Chitauri, but Disney insisted on not taking much from Ultimate Marvel as part of this new initiative).

As for the comics, One More Day would finally be undone in One Last Day, which Peter is seemingly fatally wounded and must prepare his supposed last 24 hours to stop what killed him and confront his life. Calling his favor from Loki, this sees Peter team up with a growing number of allies who go to support and aid him in his time of need along with the others realizing just how much Peter means to them. Peter seemingly dies as a hero, only to be pulled out of the way by someone... Miles Morales. And here, it would be revealed Mephisto was behind it. Loki catches him and realizes Mephisto fears Peter... after all, if CABLE called Peter the world's greatest hero... that must make him a theat to him and every other menacing power. Mephisto claims that no earthly power can help him, only for Loki to agree and summon a familiar power... the Enigma Force re-empowers Spider-Man and with it, he gains full control and uses this to overpower and defeat Mephisto. Mephisto's back-up plan involving Norman Osborn fails thanks to Mary Jane, who also regains her memory on what was lost and mocks Mephisto. The revived Harry Osborn also reveals he was revived as part of this scheme, but in being alive, refuses to be an Osborn anymore. While Peter seemingly dies finising off Mephisto, he recalls everything and remembers it all. And thanks to MJ's voice guiding him, he manages to reawken in time for medical support. And thus One More Day was overruled, celeberated with Peter and MJ having a second wedding along with Miles accepted as Peter's official protege.
 
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Der Untergang (2008)
The movie which brings us in the midst of the last days of the Habsburg Imperial Rule during the Spanish War of Succession. The French had advanced from the West, the Hungarian Rebels had advanced from the East, surrounding Vienna. Emperor Leopold I is out of touch with reality and refuses to surrender, bringing Habsburg rule in the Spanish realm, Hungary and as Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire to an end.
 
It sounds promising.
Does this include a scene where all the captured slaves claim to be Django?
Yes, quite a disturbing scene too considering how brutal the slaveowners were to captured slaves. Especially when they refused to cooperate. In the movie it was a whole lot less graphic than in real life.
 
Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse - sounds like an interesting movie @CountDVB with Morlun defeated and lots of Spider-Folk in. my only criticism of it is that it seems to lean on cartoon Peter being 'The Spider-Man' and the others all 'knockoffs' somehow, Peter comes across as 'too important' which degrades the point of other Spider-Folk as they should be as important and integral to their universe/multiverse; also creates the problem of why is this Peter so important say compared to 616 Peter? Or the one who is Captain Universe etc...

The effects on the comics is interesting- I would have thought Disney would not force a 'reboot' on Marvel just based off Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse alone, the rest of the MCU would need to be going great guns for that that happen. Though the reversal of One More Day is nicely done.

Does Disney own the Spider-Man rights here straight out instead of Fox?
 
Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse - sounds like an interesting movie @CountDVB with Morlun defeated and lots of Spider-Folk in. my only criticism of it is that it seems to lean on cartoon Peter being 'The Spider-Man' and the others all 'knockoffs' somehow, Peter comes across as 'too important' which degrades the point of other Spider-Folk as they should be as important and integral to their universe/multiverse; also creates the problem of why is this Peter so important say compared to 616 Peter? Or the one who is Captain Universe etc...

The effects on the comics is interesting- I would have thought Disney would not force a 'reboot' on Marvel just based off Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse alone, the rest of the MCU would need to be going great guns for that that happen. Though the reversal of One More Day is nicely done.

Does Disney own the Spider-Man rights here straight out instead of Fox?
Fair assessment though I did man to add that part of it was personal (losing to Peter made him SALTY). That and it is still 2011, so likely still wonderinf how to write the multiverse. Later sources would likely consider the multiverse presented here as part of a larger collection of multiverses.

As for the reboot, it wasn’t because of Beyond Spider-Verse. Basically, the first and second movies set up and reflected a bigger backlash against the stuff of One More Day, which in turn led to a more general backlash on Marvel’s comic stories as of late like Civil War and so on. This bigger backlash would influence Disney to consider doing a sort if fresh start with Marvel given they’d see it as easier than trying to continue from the fustercluck left behind.

And yeah, Disney got the Spider-Man rights sooner here and incorporated Amazing Spider-Man into MCU (though with Logan Lerman as Peter).
 
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