The Anglo/American - Nazi War

[Johannes Parisiensis]

8+1? Like as in 8 years and one? I don't get it, but I do get what you mean outside of GURPS talk.

From a Wikia on GURPS:

Tech Level

Tech Levels are a crucial part of GURPS system, and of the Infinite Worlds setting. Very simply, they can be listed on a scale from Tech Level 0 (Stone Age) through Tech Level 8 (Digital Age) to Tech Level As High as the Game Master wishes (sci-fi). This is however complicated somewhat by a special nomenclature for split technologies (if a world is more advanced in some fields), and different technologies (psi, magic, science). This page will attempt to provide a brief overview. For full overview, see references.

In GURPS-speak, "8+1" means roughly "Microtech Age looking like Digital Age."

 

[Marisa Kiridifferent]

The Reich had actually taken over the Port and the area around the port it prevent the WAllies from sending military supplies to the USSR via that route (and to "inspect" i.e. steal anything that the Reich thought to be of value to the German State rather than let it get through to the Soviets. The Reich also had small garrisons of "peace keepers" along the farthest reaches of the Trans-Siberia Railroad, just in case the WAllies tried to sneak something in.

The assignment was always crappy duty, ATL version of "being sent to the Eastern Front" for Waffen SS troops, and especially officers, who screwed up, but it reached a whole different level of bad when the U.S. decided that the scenario was unacceptable. The under equipped (we are talking captured T-34 tanks and worn out, decade+ old bF-109s), poorly led forces were simply overwhelmed by the WAlled (e.g. USMC) offensive.

Why don't they cede it to the Japanese?Cliche,but just wanna ask since that's logistically easier.

 

[Lost Freeway]

Why don't they cede it to the Japanese?Cliche,but just wanna ask since that's logistically easier.

Because Japan isn't in any shape to administrate it?

 

[sloreck]

Japan lost to the USA/UK, so Japan isn't taking anything from anybody.

 

[CalBear]

Why don't they cede it to the Japanese?Cliche,but just wanna ask since that's logistically easier.

After the surrender, Japan was primarily concerned with not starving to death.

 

[Marisa Kiridifferent]

After the surrender, Japan was primarily concerned with not starving to death.

Yeah,i meant pre-1944ish it could be jointly-administered with the Kwantung Army.

 

[ramdomperson]

and nearly 200 tons of supplies across the Channel on the 17th alone, but the Waffen SS and French National Army forces fought back with ferocity.

Just started reading this work and this popped up in chapter 18. Clearly the Allies have figured out how to produce Bags of Holding.

 

[CalBear]

Just started reading this work and this popped up in chapter 18. Clearly the Allies have figured out how to produce Bags of Holding.

Actually that is a relatively low figure. IOTL on D+1 to D+3 the U.S. pushed 6,614 tons of supplies across the just the U.S. held beaches. I specified it as low to illustrate the difficultly the continued Reich resistance was having compared to OTL

 

[Augenis]

About TL 8+1, in GURPS Terms. They are roughly equivalent to our level technology, but more advanced as to medicine and better application of space travel technology. We have stealth and ABM technology while they don't.

Wait, what are GURPS terms?

 

[xxmagex]

Wait, what are GURPS terms?

GURPS stands for Generic Universal Role Playing system. One of the parts of the games is for world building. It has a system of various tech levels throughout history. This serves as a handy thumbnail of how far along any particular society has advanced.The modern world roughly corresponds to Tech level 8.
http://gurps.wikia.com/wiki/Tech_Level

 

[Lost Freeway]

Yeah,i meant pre-1944ish it could be jointly-administered with the Kwantung Army.

I think Japan would have bigger things on its plate at that point.

 

[John Dusk]

CalBear what was the quality of life like for non Germans across Europe during the Nazi occupation in the 1940s-50s?

Decent, bad, horrible?

Are there substantial differences between life in France, Norway, the Balkans, the Low Countries etc?

 

[Lost Freeway]

What is the quality of life like for non Germans across Europe?

Decent, bad, horrible?

Are there substantial differences between life in France, Norway, the Balkans, the Low Countries etc?

Here you go.

A number of people have asked about the fates of different countries that were not mentioned in the postscript. Truthfully I have no clue about most of Africa, and only the most general about much of South America. However; here are a few bullet points

• Belgium - Probably the 2nd best recovered of the seriously damaged Western European nations. 2010 Economy = OTL Peru
• Chile – Not quite the powerhouse that is Brazil. 2010 Economy = OTL Egypt
• Czechoslovakia – Torn up by Reich, by food shortages, downwind from all the nastiness spread across Europe. 2010 Economy = OTL Vietnam
• Denmark - Relatively little damage, recovered fairly quickly despite disease issues related to biolo-weapons. 2010 Economy = OTL Chile
• The Netherlands – Very severely damaged by war, including mass destruction by SS, some serious bio-weapon “splash damage”. 2010 Economy = OTL Peru
• Norway – By far best recovered of major combat sites No bio-weapon impact 2010 Economy = OTL Philippines
• Peru – No big jump to the good, but has benefited from overall improvement across Western Hemisphere.
• Portugal Came out of war as one of two undamaged economies in Europe 2010 Economy = OTL Poland
• Poland – Main export is soldiers, and damned good ones. 2010 population has not yet reached 1939 levels. 2010 Economy = OTL Burma (but with 1/3 the population)
• Spain – Biggest economy on European Continent. Franco was clever enough to see the writing on the wall, and mainly sheathed his claws, although true democracy had to wait for his demise. Has HUGE problems with illegal immigration similar to OTL U.S. and for same reason, 1st World country with a land border to a 3rd world country. Economy = OTL Italy.
• South Africa – White apartheid government overthrown in 1985 after nearly a decade of unsuccessful A4 efforts to bring about reform. Revolutionaries were surprising well armed with weapons that seemed to be sourced from Western Hemisphere, exact origin undetermined. Post revolution government has very good relations with Australia and has been part of the Commonwealth since 1992. 2010 Economy = OTL Greece

 

[Thomas1195]

Here you go.

How was Britain and France?
Which was the top 5 economies in the world ITL?

 

[Tsar of New Zealand]

How was Britain and France?
Which was the top 5 economies in the world ITL?

AIUI, India, the US, the UK, Canada, Australia. Presumably in that order. Though God knows what the bizarro hermit kingdom North Korea-on-steroids Chinese regime counts for. Bioweapons and two billion pairs of baby shoes aren't tremendously profitable sectors, so far as they go.

 

[Thomas1195]

AIUI, India, the US, the UK, Canada, Australia. Presumably in that order. Though God knows what the bizarro hermit kingdom North Korea-on-steroids Chinese regime counts for. Bioweapons and two billion pairs of baby shoes aren't tremendously profitable sectors, so far as they go.

AIUI?

 

[Tsar of New Zealand]

AIUI?

As I Understand It.

 

[Lost Freeway]

Bioweapons and two billion pairs of baby shoes aren't tremendously profitable sectors, so far as they go.

Then I guess the babies would have to go barefoot.

 

[John Dusk]

Here you go.

I meant what was it like during the German occupation.

 

[Johannes Parisiensis]

I meant what was it like during the German occupation.

As said by The Master:

The German economy was nothing more than a huge Ponzi scheme. The Mark was extremely valuable because the Reich had the resources of the entire European Continent to back it. The Belgians, French, Italians, etc. are still in the Great Depression. Most of Europe's economy is still horse based, except for Germany and those who the Reich favors.

Without a war the Reich would have collapsed by 1970 or thereabouts. Not that the Party would have ever accepted that.