Sports What Ifs.
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There it come select a roided OL over 3 future HoFer...i can't see packers beating thee giants at all here let alone iggles...so one and done packers.. dunno if this butterfly favre away for them, as this could butterfly away favre car crash too
What if the Seattle Pilots' financial situation goes belly-up at a different time?
A year earlier, would the American League take over and try to get them through a year in Seattle before selling, knowing they'd be a lame duck? Would it be possible they move to Milwaukee during the season?
18 months earlier, does the American League have a contingency plan like the N.L. did with Buffalo should the Expos not be able to find a home?Although, again Milwaukee may well have been the logical choice.
The A.L. had to provide money to help the Devil Rays in 2002 IIRC - what if they have to take over the Devil Rays? Would the contraction plan suddenly go forward but with the Twins staying put instead of possibly being contracted as was rumored?
A year earlier, would the American League take over and try to get them through a year in Seattle before selling, knowing they'd be a lame duck? Would it be possible they move to Milwaukee during the season?
18 months earlier, does the American League have a contingency plan like the N.L. did with Buffalo should the Expos not be able to find a home?Although, again Milwaukee may well have been the logical choice.
The A.L. had to provide money to help the Devil Rays in 2002 IIRC - what if they have to take over the Devil Rays? Would the contraction plan suddenly go forward but with the Twins staying put instead of possibly being contracted as was rumored?
Selig's ownership group is still there from the failed effort to get the NL team... it could be they get the Pilots that much sooner - if it is a year earlier, then the Pilots become the Brewers in 1969 as opposed to 1970.
Or better pilots doesn't fail and become the Seattle NL team? maybe portland get an AL one?
Ten months ago, ESPN named the 11 biggest "what ifs" in college football history:
www.saturdaydownsouth.com
#1 was "What if SMU didn't get the death penalty".
ESPN names 11 biggest ‘what ifs’ in CFB history
It's fun to think about what would have happened if these things did occur.
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#1 was "What if SMU didn't get the death penalty".
let's say they get their shit together... if anything SMU might stay relevant before being outstripped other bigger college.Would be a funnier nebraska
In 1988, there was a rift between Steeler coaches and the scouting staff. There was an assistant that was getting suggestions from Noll and undermining Tony Dungy as a Defensive Coordinator. Dan Rooney eventually told Noll to fire him. Noll initially thought about resigning, but he decided to fire the disruptive coach and stay.
What if he left, though? Marty Schottenheimer was available at the time (he just left the Browns). If he would have went to the Steelers, Cowher returns as defensive coordinator like he was under Marty in KC.
What if he left, though? Marty Schottenheimer was available at the time (he just left the Browns). If he would have went to the Steelers, Cowher returns as defensive coordinator like he was under Marty in KC.
Steelers decline and later got a surge but the post bradshaw/pre-ben years where not pretty at all, besides a superbowl loss for marty legacy of pain, i can see marty going as OTL. That guy just got the worst of luck at times
Yeah, probably. Although, maybe things are different with Brister because Marty may have kept Tom Moore around as OC instead of firing him after the 89 season and bringing in Joe Walton. I know that people aren't that high on Bubby, but bringing in Joe Walton (who wanted to re-design the offense so he could get an HC job eventually) was not a good thing for him.
Are we talking about Marty for the Steelers? Browns fans would be douby furious at Modell for firing him then.
Especially if butterflies cause a few changes that lead to the Steelers winning the division - as it was, they won the wild card game in OT and then lost by only 1 point to the Broncos, while the Browns barely beat the Bills.
Of course, this is Marty the Prevent Masteriof Disaster to Browns fans after The Drive, and it's possible that he does get them an extra win and then loses to the Bills in the AFC Division game. Or even has the same record and loses tot he OIlers.
The Oilers had lost huge to the Broncos in '87, but lost by only a TD to a good Bills team which was a couple yearfs of seasoning away from the 4 Super Bowl appearances. They tended to struggle in the playoffs, but this was one year where everything was super even in the AFC, enough so anything could happen,from the Browns winning if Denver had a bad game to any of the other playoff teams to maybe even the Chiefs or 1-2 other clubs with a few breaks.
Almost all lose pretty big to the powerful 49ers, but this coud cement a few legacies.
Kelly probably couldn't get his club to 5 straight Super Bowls, but who'd have expected 4.? (Actually, my hunch is they win in Super Bowl XXV if they lose to the 49ers, they'd be a bit more experiencedand possibly hold on easier , or at least make that last FG. Then, they lose in Super Bowl XXVI to the REdskins and probably someone else wins one of the next 2, or bothand loses tot he Cowboys. Only 3 straight but 1 win means that teamm is still cemented as a great one with numerous Hall of fammers.)
Does Noll retire more gracefully after 1-2 more years if he gets to the Super Bowl only to get clobbered by the 49ers? (Maybe worse!)
It'd be nice to see Warren Moon in one.
Or the Browns - if the Steelers beat the Broncos and then lose at home to the Browns... knowing what I know now, I wouldn't care if the Browns had gotten shellacked 55-10 in the Super Bowl. Hey, they'd have gotten there.
But, if Bud Carson leads them to the Super Bowl, he's not fired midseasonand maybe not even after 1990, they might only win 1-2 more games but I think Modsell would think twice about firing a Super Bowl coach, even a losing one, till the following year. But, that means Bill Belicheck might get his first head coaching job somewhere else.
Yes, 1989 in the AFC was a very fun year for what-ifs.
Especially if butterflies cause a few changes that lead to the Steelers winning the division - as it was, they won the wild card game in OT and then lost by only 1 point to the Broncos, while the Browns barely beat the Bills.
Of course, this is Marty the Prevent Masteriof Disaster to Browns fans after The Drive, and it's possible that he does get them an extra win and then loses to the Bills in the AFC Division game. Or even has the same record and loses tot he OIlers.
The Oilers had lost huge to the Broncos in '87, but lost by only a TD to a good Bills team which was a couple yearfs of seasoning away from the 4 Super Bowl appearances. They tended to struggle in the playoffs, but this was one year where everything was super even in the AFC, enough so anything could happen,from the Browns winning if Denver had a bad game to any of the other playoff teams to maybe even the Chiefs or 1-2 other clubs with a few breaks.
Almost all lose pretty big to the powerful 49ers, but this coud cement a few legacies.
Kelly probably couldn't get his club to 5 straight Super Bowls, but who'd have expected 4.? (Actually, my hunch is they win in Super Bowl XXV if they lose to the 49ers, they'd be a bit more experiencedand possibly hold on easier , or at least make that last FG. Then, they lose in Super Bowl XXVI to the REdskins and probably someone else wins one of the next 2, or bothand loses tot he Cowboys. Only 3 straight but 1 win means that teamm is still cemented as a great one with numerous Hall of fammers.)
Does Noll retire more gracefully after 1-2 more years if he gets to the Super Bowl only to get clobbered by the 49ers? (Maybe worse!)
It'd be nice to see Warren Moon in one.
Or the Browns - if the Steelers beat the Broncos and then lose at home to the Browns... knowing what I know now, I wouldn't care if the Browns had gotten shellacked 55-10 in the Super Bowl. Hey, they'd have gotten there.
But, if Bud Carson leads them to the Super Bowl, he's not fired midseasonand maybe not even after 1990, they might only win 1-2 more games but I think Modsell would think twice about firing a Super Bowl coach, even a losing one, till the following year. But, that means Bill Belicheck might get his first head coaching job somewhere else.
Yes, 1989 in the AFC was a very fun year for what-ifs.
Nah, Bill would just loss Five on a row. Or marty would just fare as OTL, just the cowherder would beat him now, that is the LEGACY OF PAIN
On the Pro Football Journal blog, I found an old mock draft from 1969 that was done by Elinor Kaine, a New York-based syndicated columnist:
nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com
In her mock, she had QB Greg Cook falling to the Rams with the 21st pick (but, amazingly enough, she said that scouts didn't think very highly of him, which is unbelievable).
Cook probably would have started out behind Roman Gabriel for a few years, but he was a better QB. If he stayed healthy, the Rams probably don't come up short as much from the mid to late-70's and early-80's.
Was the First Person to Publish a Mock Draft a Woman?
LOOKING BACK By John Turney Elinor Kaine in the early 1970s Credit: UPI Well, the long and the short of it is we don't know. We do k...
nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com
In her mock, she had QB Greg Cook falling to the Rams with the 21st pick (but, amazingly enough, she said that scouts didn't think very highly of him, which is unbelievable).
Cook probably would have started out behind Roman Gabriel for a few years, but he was a better QB. If he stayed healthy, the Rams probably don't come up short as much from the mid to late-70's and early-80's.
Either CBS or NBC would lose their rights to air NFL games. Which I doubt they would let it happen anyways.
OTL NBC ended up losing them long term for SNF, maybe this accelerated that.
A Pilots stay in Seattle scenario
This timeline remains the same as OTL until January 1970. So, Bud Selig is attempting to purchase the Pilots, while government officials are trying to prevent it. It was at this point, that the nonprofit group put together by Westin Hotels head Eddie Carlson made an offer to buy the team. It was rejected by the MLB. Their second offer failed by one vote. The POD is that nonprofit's first offer is slightly better than OTL's second offer. The offer is accepted and the Pilots stay in Seattle.
However, Selig does not give up his quest of returning the MLB to Milwaukee. So, he sets his sights on the next vulnerable team, the Washington Senators. He makes a deal with Bob Short for an undisclosed amount. In February 1972, the Senators relocated to Milwaukee and become the Brewers.
While TTL has some differences such as Steinbrenner buying the Indians from the Stoffer family. It also has similarities to OTL. The Athletics still win championships while Charles O. Finley alienates Oakland.
Now, just OTL, a Toronto ownership group attempts to buy the Giants in 1976. However, in TTL, MLB's invention in the sale is handled very badly. This results in complaints from Canadian governmental officials and a possible lawsuit. Major League Baseball decides the way the best to resolve the situation is to grant Toronto an expansion team. Not wanting to concede the entire Canadian market to the National League, the American League votes to expand. Toronto is immediately granted the first and Dallas gets the second, shortly thereafter. The new franchises, the Toronto Blue Jays and Texas Spurs, began play in 1977.
MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL (1977)
AMERICAN LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, Milwaukee Brewers, New York Yankees, Toronto Blue Jays
Western Division
California Angels, Chicago White Sox, Kansas City Royals, Minnesota Twins, Oakland Athletics, Seattle Pilots, Texas Spurs
NATIONAL LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Chicago Cubs, Montreal Expos, New York Mets, Philadelphia Phillies, Pittsburgh Pirates, Saint Louis Cardinals
Western Division
Atlanta Braves, Cincinnati Reds, Houston Astros, Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants
In 1979, the National League voted 7-5 to institute the designated hitter with the rule going into effect in 1980. Otherwise the late 70s/early 80s are quiet for Major League Baseball. Then in 1984, MLB Commissioner Bowie Kuhn "retired". He is replaced by Harry Usher. His short-lived tenure would be very controversial. This would include the relocation of two American League franchises. In 1986, the Athletics left Oakland for Tampa. Unable to get a new stadium, the White Sox left Comiskey Park for the Hoosier Dome (Indianapolis) in 1989. The biggest controversy during his tenure was his involvement in the owners' collusion against the players. The resulting trials would lead to over $300 million in fines. Needless to say, Usher's contract was not renewed.
Paul Tagliabue would be hired as his replacement. Tagliabue would inherit a mess. However, he would successfully renegotiate a new collective bargaining agreement with the players association. He would also prevent a lockout and strike.
In 1992, the National League voted to expand. The new NL franchises were the Miami Marlins (Eastern Division) and Colorado Rockies (Western Division). That same year, Steinbrenner decided to eliminate the controversy over the Indians name. Cleveland would be the Spiders. Two years later, Tagliabue would oversee the realignment of each league from two divisions to three. As with OTL, the League Divisional Series is introduced with no differences from OTL.
MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL (1994)
AMERICAN LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Cleveland Spiders, New York Yankees, Toronto Blue Jays
Central Division
Detroit Tigers, Indiana White Sox, Kansas City Royals, Milwaukee Brewers, Tampa Bay Athletics
Western Division
California Angels, Minnesota Twins, Seattle Pilots, Texas Spurs
NATIONAL LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Atlanta Braves, Miami Marlins, Montreal Expos, New York Mets, Philadelphia Phillies
Central Division
Chicago Cubs, Cincinnati Reds, Houston Astros, Pittsburgh Pirates, Saint Louis Cardinals
Western Division
Colorado Rockies, Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants
The relative peace between the owners and players lead to growth in both revenue and popularity throughout the 1990s. In 1997, the American League also voted to expand. The new franchises would be the Charlotte Skyhawks (Eastern) and Arizona Diamondbacks (Western). The new franchises began play in 1999. In addition, the California Angels became the Anaheim Angels.
The final years of Tagliabue's tenure would see MLB expand to 32 teams with the National League adding two teams. The Washington Federals (Eastern Division) and Nashville Grizzlies (Western Division) took to the field in 2004. The next year, the White Sox moved north of the boarder to Vancouver. He also saw the realignment from three divisions to four in 2006.
MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL (2006)
AMERICAN LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, New York Yankees, Toronto Blue Jays
Central Division
Charlotte Skyhawks, Cleveland Spiders, Detroit Tigers, Tampa Bay Athletics
Heartland Division
Kansas City Royals, Milwaukee Brewers, Minnesota Twins, Texas Spurs
Western Division
Anaheim Angels, Arizona Diamondbacks, Seattle Pilots, Vancouver White Sox
NATIONAL LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Montreal Expos, New York Mets, Philadelphia Phillies, Washington Federals
Central Division
Atlanta Braves, Cincinnati Reds, Miami Marlins, Pittsburgh Pirates
Heartland Division
Chicago Cubs, Houston Astros, Nashville Grizzlies, Saint Louis Cardinals
Western Division
Colorado Rockies, Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants
Jon Huntsman succeeded Tagliabue in 2007. Thus far, the otable events of Huntsman's tenure include the expansion of the postseason to sixteen teams (2010) and Anaheim Angels rebranding as Southern California Angels (2016). In order to get the players association to agree to the expanded playoffs, the number of regular season games was reduced to 153. For the postseason, each league sends the four divisional champions and four wild card teams. The new round is called the League Wild Card Series. It is a best of five. In addition, the number of games in League Divisional Series was expanded to seven. The League Championship Series and the World Series remained unchanged.
This timeline remains the same as OTL until January 1970. So, Bud Selig is attempting to purchase the Pilots, while government officials are trying to prevent it. It was at this point, that the nonprofit group put together by Westin Hotels head Eddie Carlson made an offer to buy the team. It was rejected by the MLB. Their second offer failed by one vote. The POD is that nonprofit's first offer is slightly better than OTL's second offer. The offer is accepted and the Pilots stay in Seattle.
However, Selig does not give up his quest of returning the MLB to Milwaukee. So, he sets his sights on the next vulnerable team, the Washington Senators. He makes a deal with Bob Short for an undisclosed amount. In February 1972, the Senators relocated to Milwaukee and become the Brewers.
While TTL has some differences such as Steinbrenner buying the Indians from the Stoffer family. It also has similarities to OTL. The Athletics still win championships while Charles O. Finley alienates Oakland.
Now, just OTL, a Toronto ownership group attempts to buy the Giants in 1976. However, in TTL, MLB's invention in the sale is handled very badly. This results in complaints from Canadian governmental officials and a possible lawsuit. Major League Baseball decides the way the best to resolve the situation is to grant Toronto an expansion team. Not wanting to concede the entire Canadian market to the National League, the American League votes to expand. Toronto is immediately granted the first and Dallas gets the second, shortly thereafter. The new franchises, the Toronto Blue Jays and Texas Spurs, began play in 1977.
MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL (1977)
AMERICAN LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, Milwaukee Brewers, New York Yankees, Toronto Blue Jays
Western Division
California Angels, Chicago White Sox, Kansas City Royals, Minnesota Twins, Oakland Athletics, Seattle Pilots, Texas Spurs
NATIONAL LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Chicago Cubs, Montreal Expos, New York Mets, Philadelphia Phillies, Pittsburgh Pirates, Saint Louis Cardinals
Western Division
Atlanta Braves, Cincinnati Reds, Houston Astros, Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants
In 1979, the National League voted 7-5 to institute the designated hitter with the rule going into effect in 1980. Otherwise the late 70s/early 80s are quiet for Major League Baseball. Then in 1984, MLB Commissioner Bowie Kuhn "retired". He is replaced by Harry Usher. His short-lived tenure would be very controversial. This would include the relocation of two American League franchises. In 1986, the Athletics left Oakland for Tampa. Unable to get a new stadium, the White Sox left Comiskey Park for the Hoosier Dome (Indianapolis) in 1989. The biggest controversy during his tenure was his involvement in the owners' collusion against the players. The resulting trials would lead to over $300 million in fines. Needless to say, Usher's contract was not renewed.
Paul Tagliabue would be hired as his replacement. Tagliabue would inherit a mess. However, he would successfully renegotiate a new collective bargaining agreement with the players association. He would also prevent a lockout and strike.
In 1992, the National League voted to expand. The new NL franchises were the Miami Marlins (Eastern Division) and Colorado Rockies (Western Division). That same year, Steinbrenner decided to eliminate the controversy over the Indians name. Cleveland would be the Spiders. Two years later, Tagliabue would oversee the realignment of each league from two divisions to three. As with OTL, the League Divisional Series is introduced with no differences from OTL.
MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL (1994)
AMERICAN LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Cleveland Spiders, New York Yankees, Toronto Blue Jays
Central Division
Detroit Tigers, Indiana White Sox, Kansas City Royals, Milwaukee Brewers, Tampa Bay Athletics
Western Division
California Angels, Minnesota Twins, Seattle Pilots, Texas Spurs
NATIONAL LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Atlanta Braves, Miami Marlins, Montreal Expos, New York Mets, Philadelphia Phillies
Central Division
Chicago Cubs, Cincinnati Reds, Houston Astros, Pittsburgh Pirates, Saint Louis Cardinals
Western Division
Colorado Rockies, Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants
The relative peace between the owners and players lead to growth in both revenue and popularity throughout the 1990s. In 1997, the American League also voted to expand. The new franchises would be the Charlotte Skyhawks (Eastern) and Arizona Diamondbacks (Western). The new franchises began play in 1999. In addition, the California Angels became the Anaheim Angels.
The final years of Tagliabue's tenure would see MLB expand to 32 teams with the National League adding two teams. The Washington Federals (Eastern Division) and Nashville Grizzlies (Western Division) took to the field in 2004. The next year, the White Sox moved north of the boarder to Vancouver. He also saw the realignment from three divisions to four in 2006.
MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL (2006)
AMERICAN LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, New York Yankees, Toronto Blue Jays
Central Division
Charlotte Skyhawks, Cleveland Spiders, Detroit Tigers, Tampa Bay Athletics
Heartland Division
Kansas City Royals, Milwaukee Brewers, Minnesota Twins, Texas Spurs
Western Division
Anaheim Angels, Arizona Diamondbacks, Seattle Pilots, Vancouver White Sox
NATIONAL LEAGUE
Eastern Division
Montreal Expos, New York Mets, Philadelphia Phillies, Washington Federals
Central Division
Atlanta Braves, Cincinnati Reds, Miami Marlins, Pittsburgh Pirates
Heartland Division
Chicago Cubs, Houston Astros, Nashville Grizzlies, Saint Louis Cardinals
Western Division
Colorado Rockies, Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Giants
Jon Huntsman succeeded Tagliabue in 2007. Thus far, the otable events of Huntsman's tenure include the expansion of the postseason to sixteen teams (2010) and Anaheim Angels rebranding as Southern California Angels (2016). In order to get the players association to agree to the expanded playoffs, the number of regular season games was reduced to 153. For the postseason, each league sends the four divisional champions and four wild card teams. The new round is called the League Wild Card Series. It is a best of five. In addition, the number of games in League Divisional Series was expanded to seven. The League Championship Series and the World Series remained unchanged.
Why would George Steinbrenner rename the Indians after the losingest team in MLB history?
Initially, I named them the Guardians after the Guardians of Transportation bridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_Memorial_Bridge). You could replace Chief Wahoo with an art deco head. However, the name struck me as too generic. So, I reviewed lists of new names that other people had come up with. The Spiders kept appearing. While it is true the Spiders set an (probable) unbreakable record for the worst season in baseball, it wasn't their fault. When the team owners trade everyone with any talent to the other team they own, you're not going to do well. At any rate, besides the name's connection to Cleveland history, it would also be unique, because I don't of any other major professional teams that use Spiders (or variant of) as nickname.
Really, it just came down to the fact I like the name Spiders more than I do Guardians.