Shadows in the East

So no Boney Imperial rule then? Something smaller?

Also - I'm assuming Bulgar is doing the subtle hints in the titles (that or he's just making it up)...and with this;

The Shark, the Wolf, and the Bear

Does this mean Russia gets involved due to the handy association that Russia=Bear?

Then who's the Shark & the Wolf?

Excellent approach on TTL's Boney and the saving of the Revolution...

I assume his superior isn't IOTL....
 
Does this mean Russia gets involved due to the handy association that Russia=Bear?

Then who's the Shark & the Wolf?

Excellent approach on TTL's Boney and the saving of the Revolution...

I assume his superior isn't IOTL....


Bulg has been clever with the references thus far, but my guess is the Shark is Britain, the Wolf is France, and Bear is Russia.

His superior does exist OTL, he was one of Nappy's lieutenants.
 
Chapter XXII: A Dreary Story

"It would seem then, Citizen Mounier, that you leave us with but one choice."- Maximilien Robespierre

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Excerpted from
'The Excess of Power: The Rise and Fall of Political Parties in 1790s Paris'
Dissertation by Johann Mueller, Reichsuniversität Drucken, Hanover, ©1965; pg 68

The defeat of the Alliance forces at Vincennes came at a crucial moment in the history of the French Republic. Not only did it secure the city and ensure that the Revolution would be able to continue, but it also came at a moment when the differences between the radicals and the moderates was coming to a head. It is this latter issue that I wish to draw attention to.

For some time, the moderates had been attempting to regain influence in the National Committee. The Jacobins and their allies made up 17 of the seats, with the moderates and conservatives making up the other 14. But the Jacobin bloc should not be viewed as monolithic. Indeed, there were great rifts even within the Jacobins themselves. Men like Georges Danton tended to be far more pragmatic than the ideologue Robespierre. These divisions were what the moderates, led by Mounier hoped to exploit and break the radical bloc. For several months, political wrestling had been going on behind the doors of the National Committee on how the war was to be conducted and how far the Committee was going to push against the old order. And when the Allied armies approached Paris, and many fled, many radicals, and Robespierre and the administrative genius Carnot in particular, saw their chance to resolve the infighting.

With Mounier and the other major moderate leaders having fled, Carnot and Robespierre ordered the arrest of Mounier and Nicolas, (the former vicomte d'Barras) among others. They were arrested on charges of treason. Due to the stress of the seemingly imminent siege, combined with a constant barrage of invective from the now-radicalized printer Jean-Paul Marat, the outcry at this act within Paris was muted. Its ramifications outside the city would be felt in the coming months.

Mounier's trial started on August 27th, three days after his arrest. He was brought before the Parisian Municipal Court, recently set up by the Rump Committee, as the now purged National Committee of 20 is called in English-speaking countries. Robespierre had installed his staunchly Jacobin ally, Jerome Petion de Villeneuve as the chief justice of the five judge court, all but ensuring Mounier's fate. By sunset of the 27th, Mounier had been found guilty of treason, and on the request of the Rump Committee, sentenced to death. His death, on the 28th, would be the first of many in the months to come.

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Excerpted from
"The Bloody Mountain"
by Philip Jackson, Harvest Printers, San Francisco© 1942; pg 200-5

With the death of Mounier, what had begun as a broad-based egalitarian revolution against the forces of the old regimes quickly became a institution for the elimination of political foes and the implementation of a radical agenda. Within weeks, the Rump Committee would arrest, try, and execute all eleven moderates and conservatives that had fled Paris on August 21st. The few remaining on the Committee went along with Robespierre and his allies out of fear.

With their immediate political foes eliminated, the Rump Committee began implementing greater and greater changes, attempting to wipe away all vestiges of the former monarchial regime. Months would be renamed, and the clergy, already at loggerheads with the government, would be increasingly ostracized by Paris and on November 21st, the Rump Committee would issue the Recommendation on the Church and Clergy. The Recommendation was not yet law, but it stated the Committee's intention to look at "the problem posed by the Roman Church and the attached clergy."

The reaction on both sides was quick and furious. In Paris, Notre Dame was closed along with many of the other churches "indefinately." The scene was repeated across France in many of their major cities. In the more rural areas, the scene was quite different. In places like the Vendee and Brittanny, it was government offices that were stormed and closed by peasants frustrated with the course of the revolution. Discontent had long been brewing and the Recommendation was the drop that broke the dam.

But the Coup of 21st Aout had a much larger impact than simply the domestic one. The defeat of the Allied forces by those of the French Revolution would set in motion the events that would drag Great Britain into the war. With La Fayette's capture of Barcelona in early August and the invasion of Savoy by Philippe, as well as the victory at Vincennes, the Revolution began shifting to the offensive. As Spanish resistance vanished, the British became increasingly worried that the situation on the Continent was about to become dangerously unstable. While Britain's involvement in the war was still some time off, the seeds for its involvement were planted.

Perhaps more importantly was the damage the increasing anti-clercism of the Revolution did to Republican France's relationship with their only friend; the United States. Nor would Republican France act to repair this relationship as the wars progressed....

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Excerpted from
"The First Global War: The French Revolutionary Wars"
Sayid Jarrah, Caenarfon Publishing House, Liverpool ©1993; pg 160

Sardinia would sue for peace with the French Republic on January 21st. Their armies had been decimated by Philippe and Dumouzier's armies. The Republic would annex much of Piedmont to the Republic, and would allow the House of Savoy to retain the coast, including Genoa, in exchange for military access to continue the war against Austria.

The defeat of Piedmont-Sardinia was a severe blow to the Alliance, but not so severe as the defeat of Spain. Spain's last armies would be defeated at the Battle of Guadalajara in May of 1793. La Fayette would enter Madrid on May 21st, and the royal family of Spain would flee first to Galicia in the northwest of Spain, and after the fall of La Coruna in the fall, to Portugal, in exile.

The flight of the Spanish monarchs and the situation in Spain at this time put La Fayette and the entire French Republic at a strange crossroads. Spanish Republicanism was virtually non-existent. Indeed, the only man whom La Fayette could find to run a government that was of liberal mentality was Jose Monino, the Count of Floridablanca. Yet neither could the Committee envision estabilshing yet another monarchy. So it was that the French Republic sat upon Spain in semi-occupation for sometime.

While La Fayette's occupation of Madrid and the French annexation of Catalonia, Huesca, and Navarre was very mild, it nonetheless built resentment against the French in its early months. With no plan for the occupation of Spain and no government to assist the French, state systems began to break down. Taxes went uncollected and corruption ever more prevalent. Lawlessness increased dramatically, and at the fringes of French control, general anarchy began to take hold by August 1793. Initially, La Fayette asked for aid from the Rump Committee, in the form of more bureaucrats to help the set up of a larger more centralised state. However, no help was forthcoming. The Rump Committee, increasingly paranoid, and the executions of dissenters and foes of the regime at a high, did not trust La Fayette or his success, and feared his popularity. They seem to have given little thought to the ramifications of abandoning La Fayette in an increasingly hostile nation.

With no help coming, La Fayette decided that decisive action was needed if his victories were not to be undone. He called together what Francophone nobles he could find to act as his Cabinet, and La Fayette took on effective control of Spain. Acting as a Spanish version of the National Committee, the Directorate of Spain began to improve the situation within the nation by eliminating huge numbers of corrupt bureaucrats and attempting to represent centralised authority in as many towns and cities as possible. Far more moderate than the Rump Committee, La Fayette began to see some results, but at home, his moderation made the Jacobins increasingly uneasy.....


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Holy Crap: if they try to pull something with Lafeyette they're really going to antagonize the Americans.
 
Well, I can't let Matt do all the work of ferrying compliments, complaints, and comments to me over at the other boards it's posted on. So....

Glad you guys seem to be enjoying it though.
 
This TL is excellent.

I love the detail and the fact that we see all of it from separate pieces of writing.

Could we get a map?

Also, I noticed that one of the papers was published in San Francisco under an english, rather then spanish, name and publisher.

What does that foretell for the USA?
 
I'm terrible with maps.

I'm attempting ot make one, and when I do I'll post it.

As you can tell, I've borrowed heavily from Jared's DoD. I think the style works incredibly well.

I'm attempting to start integrating more historical perspectives into the work so that you never QUITE understand exactly what happened.

Strauss's book on Aleksandr I is the only one out there that one might have to take with a grain of salt. And perhaps Abakhalin's.

On San Francisco, I certainly won't be telling the future on something clearly so important.

Perhaps there will be a Californian republic set up by American filibusters....or British filibusters for that matter...the British aren't totally out of the continent after all.
 
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Oh, I didn't want an actual answer about San Francisco, I was being rhetorical, but that travels poorly through the interwebs.

And I agree, this TL style does work extremely well, it also makes it seem more realistic.
 
Chapter XXIII: Democracy in America

"Even to observe neutrality you must have a strong government."- Alexander Hamilton

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Excerpted from
"The Fountainhead of Liberty: The Drafting of the United States' Constitution"
by Rick Jarvis, J. Albert and Sons, New York © 1888; pg 30, 60, 67, 80, 130

In these turbulent times of our own, in which our Constitution stands as a rock in a sea of upheaval, it is often difficult for us Americans to fully grasp the difficulties our Founding Fathers had in governing this nation in its infancy. Our independence had been dearly bought and was often close to extinction at the hands of British forces. Despite our modern conceptions, the end of the American Revolutionary Wars with its peculiar predicaments born of the resulting treaties did not ensure the survival of the nascent state. Indeed, it was only through a new series of hard-fought and hard-won struggles that the United States that bestrides this great continent was born.

To the west, we faced angry Indians, even at that early time seeking to unite against the push of American settlers and drive them back across the Appalachian Mountains. To the South were the colonies still controlled by King George and the armies of Great Britain. And further west lay the realms of Spain, the weak and ineffectual monarchy that lacked even then the strength to defend its lands. On all sides stood real and potential enemies of the newborn United States. Internally the situation was no better.

As is commonly held now, the Articles of Confederation were an abominable form of government. The central government lacked any effective control. Day's Rebellion[1] in Massachusetts went on for nearly seven months before the Massachusetts government was able to reassert control. The ringleaders fled to neighboring Vermont where Ethan Allen sheltered them. Throughout the union, economies were crumbling as the war debt crushed the states' economies. Unable to attract enough investment, and with the currency exchange rates between the individual estates crippling trade and investment between states, the economic problem grew ever larger. When, in 1787, Pennsylvania and New York mobilized their militias in preparation for war over disputed land along Lake Erie, it was decided that something must be done. Alexander Hamilton, along with George Washington and Benedict Arnold, called for a new Constitutional Convention to be held in Philadelphia to rectify the situation.

Every state in the union, including Quebec, Nova Scotia, and St. John's Island[2], sent representatives. Two of them Walter Patterson, the representative from St. John's Island, and Denis Viger would play prominent roles in the drafting of the Constitution. At the time, few expected the Convention to be a full re-drafting, but it seems that for both Arnold and Hamilton, the two drivers behind the effort, this was its purpose from the very beginning....

...heated debate over the composition of the legislature continued. Quebec, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and New York pushed hard for proportional representation. New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Delaware were leading proponents of and equal vote system. Hamilton, seemingly in a move of desperation proposed that states have votes based on how much they paid in taxes towards the central government. This novel idea recieved a great deal of attention, but was not quite popular enough and was finally brought down by the Sherman-Arnold Compromise which called for a two house system, one of which, the House of Representatives, was to be proportional, and the other, the Senate, gave each state two votes...

...as per Viger's proposal, slaves were to be counted as 3/4ths of a person in the census for representation in the House of Representatives. Despite an eloquent speech from Benedict Arnold decrying the Virginians for their hypocrisy, it was decided that in exchange for ending the slave trade and granting Congress the right to abolish slavery after 1820, Virginia would be given a population bonus...

...Despite a great deal of dispute, Alexander Hamilton won out and secured the central government's assumption of the state's debts....

...At the end of the convention, many were unhappy, particularly Quebec. Quebec hoped for more assurances that they would be allowed to keep their system. They were however guaranteed by several other members, such as Hamilton, that should the Constitution be put into effect, that the Amendments that would be the Bill of Rights would be enacted and work preserve all of Quebec's institutions...

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Excerpted from

"The Constitution of the United States"
signed by [the Undersigned]

Congress of the United States begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the sixth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.[27]

Amendments

First Amendment – Freedom of religion, speech, press, and peaceable assembly as well as the right to petition the government.
Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Second Amendment – Right to keep and bear arms.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country.

Third Amendment – Protection from quartering of troops.
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fifth Amendment – Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property.
No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and other rights of the accused.
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury.
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Eighth Amendment – Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
The enumeration of rights in the Constitution, granted to the government by the people, shall not be construed to deny or disparage all others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment – Powers of states and people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

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Excerpted from
"The First Global War: The French Revolutionary Wars"
Sayid Jarrah, Caenarfon Publishing House, Liverpool ©1993; pg 200, 210

Britain entered the French Revolutionary Wars on November 3rd, 1794, following the Spanish Republic's entry into the war on the side of the French Republic, and the declaration of war by Spain on Portugal for harboring the exiled and problematic Spanish nobility and monarchs. Britain's entry had long been coming. With the situation in France restabilizing after the reign of terror by Robespierre and the rule of the Bloody Mountain, Britain was becoming increasingly worried that France would win the war against the Allies. With Russia on the sidelines, busy with destroying the minor khanates of Caucasia and the weakend Persian state, Britain was the only major power left to intercede and keep Europe from falling under French hegemony.

And with Spain back on its feet, and the declaration of war on Britain's oldest ally, Britain found itself at war with France for the third time in under 50 years....

Britain's entry into the war had far reaching effects. Immediately, France, even with it's allied Spanish navy, was completely outnumbered by the superior Royal Navy. Outnumbered, outgunned, and outmanned, the French began impressing as many neutral sailors as they could, primarily from the burdgeoning United States, still too weak to assert itself against the mature European powers.

Quebec was already howling at President Washington to act in some fashion against the French Republic for its barbarity and anticlercism. However, Washington remained steadfast against picking sides in the European fight. However, as France began impressment during the summer of 1795, Washington found himself forced to act. The United States was not wholly unprepared. From the very beginning, both the Secretary of War, Benedict Arnold, and the Secretary of the Treasury had been pushing for a larger US Navy.[3] Both insisted that the US's interests lay not in the agricultural future envisioned by Jefferson, but in an industrial power harnessing the United States' vast resources which could only be secure for trade through a powerful navy.

Washington was not unsympathetic to their arguments, and had commissioned ships for the purpose of defending US interests, and as war with France became increasingly likely, the need for ships became clearer than ever.

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[1] Luke Day was another leader of OTL's Shay's Rebellion. In ATL, it just gets a different name.
[2] Prince Edward Island's previous name
[3] Without the South, the US is rapidly becoming more commerce centered, and Hamilton and Arnold are both tied to merchants and shipping, so as major players in ATL, they are pushing hard for a larger navy.
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How many differences to OTL's Bill of Rights can you pick out?
 
Nothing that I can actually tell on the surface...

The fourth, eighth, and the ninth seems the more affected by the POD's...

RE: Stronger US Navy

So will the US swing to the UK even though the latter owns the South?
 
Nothing that I can actually tell on the surface...

The fourth, eighth, and the ninth seems the more affected by the POD's...

RE: Stronger US Navy

So will the US swing to the UK even though the latter owns the South?

I think it's possible. Remember the US did fight France in the Quasi-Wars, which is the primary reason why the Six Frigates were commissioned. Without the South the early Federalists should be in a stronger position,and thus maritime oriented.
 
Upon reflection of Bulgar's post

So no lurking into the large minefield that is OTL's gun debate?

The 9th seems a bit 'similiar'; I guess it's some decades ahead of OTL's change to the Consitution? (I honestly forget on which amendment that is)
 
So no lurking into the large minefield that is OTL's gun debate?

The 9th seems a bit 'similiar'; I guess it's some decades ahead of OTL's change to the Consitution? (I honestly forget on which amendment that is)

I used a slightly modified version of the original draft.

The original draft read as it does here, with an exemption for religious people, i.e. Quakers. The Founding Fathers believed that it might be used to crush the militias in the future as had been done in Britain, so they eventually eliminated it. I could find no objections to the wording apart from that, so I've simply excluded the religious section and left the wording as it was in the original draft.

The 9th just makes it clearer that the government has no rights granted to it that are not stipulated in the Constitution. Quebec is a little leery of the situation, and wants to ensure that they are protected, so they are pushing for a limited government.

There are other changes to the US Constitution, but they will be addressed later.
 
I used a slightly modified version of the original draft.

The original draft read as it does here, with an exemption for religious people, i.e. Quakers. The Founding Fathers believed that it might be used to crush the militias in the future as had been done in Britain, so they eventually eliminated it. I could find no objections to the wording apart from that, so I've simply excluded the religious section and left the wording as it was in the original draft.

The 9th just makes it clearer that the government has no rights granted to it that are not stipulated in the Constitution. Quebec is a little leery of the situation, and wants to ensure that they are protected, so they are pushing for a limited government.

There are other changes to the US Constitution, but they will be addressed later.

I think the biggest long term implication in the constitution is the commerce clause, does it still exist?
 
This is rapidly becoming one of my favorite American TLs. I know the original POD is in Europe, but the American developments are really cool also. Interested to see how Russia's revitalization effects Russian America also. As the British still own Rupertsland, there could be controversy here. I really think the slavery issue in the Carolinas and Georgia may have a rather large impact on Wilberforce's crusade, perhaps at least delaying it. Anyway, Keep it up!
 
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