Request Maps/Flags Here
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Alright, I'd like someone to revise this map of interwar Europe that Viselav made so that it reflects my timeline's postwar Europe:
What changes does this entail?
1. Northern Spanish Morocco becomes an independent country (the Rif).
2. Southern Spanish Morocco unifies with the rest of Morocco.
3. Algeria becomes independent.
4. Libya becomes independent.
5. Cyprus becomes independent.
6. Malta becomes independent.
7. Catalonia becomes independent.
8. The Basque Country becomes independent.
9. Galicia and Olivenza are ceded from Spain to Portugal.
10. The Bulgarian-majority portions of North Macedonia and Kosovo and the Serb enclaves they surround on this map are given to Bulgaria. The Albanian-majority parts and the Serb enclaves they surrounded are given to Albania. Serbia keeps Mitrovica/northern Kosovo. The Albanian-Greek, Albanian-Montenegrin, and Bulgarian-Greek borders should remain unchanged. Slovenia and Croatia should absorb the parts of Eastern Italy that are majority Slovene and majority Croatian, respectively, with the exception of the bit of Croatians that juts out westward on Istria. This results in Italy keeping Trieste and getting the western half of Istria, which is slightly more territory than they were left with on that front IOTL.
11. Russia should be given a different color to indicate that it is no longer the Soviet Union, but now a liberal democratic Russia.
12. All of Ireland, north and south, should be independent.
13. Italy cedes its islands in the Aegean Sea to Greece.
This request isn't specifically tailored to @Višeslav - anyone can do this one. Please note that I am not asking for individual country maps this time, just for changes to be made to the Europe map.
What changes does this entail?
1. Northern Spanish Morocco becomes an independent country (the Rif).
2. Southern Spanish Morocco unifies with the rest of Morocco.
3. Algeria becomes independent.
4. Libya becomes independent.
5. Cyprus becomes independent.
6. Malta becomes independent.
7. Catalonia becomes independent.
8. The Basque Country becomes independent.
9. Galicia and Olivenza are ceded from Spain to Portugal.
10. The Bulgarian-majority portions of North Macedonia and Kosovo and the Serb enclaves they surround on this map are given to Bulgaria. The Albanian-majority parts and the Serb enclaves they surrounded are given to Albania. Serbia keeps Mitrovica/northern Kosovo. The Albanian-Greek, Albanian-Montenegrin, and Bulgarian-Greek borders should remain unchanged. Slovenia and Croatia should absorb the parts of Eastern Italy that are majority Slovene and majority Croatian, respectively, with the exception of the bit of Croatians that juts out westward on Istria. This results in Italy keeping Trieste and getting the western half of Istria, which is slightly more territory than they were left with on that front IOTL.
11. Russia should be given a different color to indicate that it is no longer the Soviet Union, but now a liberal democratic Russia.
12. All of Ireland, north and south, should be independent.
13. Italy cedes its islands in the Aegean Sea to Greece.
This request isn't specifically tailored to @Višeslav - anyone can do this one. Please note that I am not asking for individual country maps this time, just for changes to be made to the Europe map.
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Venocara
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These flags are genuinely amazing to look at. They're brilliant. However, wouldn't they both be quite anachronistic, especially when the POD is only 30 years prior?
When does the personal union take place? That impacts whether the current UK union flag comes to be.
Is the flag for some sort of later political union? Or just the personal one?
Venocara
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The personal union and the political union both take place in the 1830s, either side of a War of [CENSORED FOR NOT-WANTING-TO-SPOIL-MY-FUTURE-TIMELINE REASONS]
Venocara
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Prior to the political and personal unions. The POD is in 1800 and the unions occur in the 1830s, so I thought that the flags (while lovely) could be a bit too modern to have been dreamt up in the 1830s.
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Seems a bit odd going into a full political union just a short ways into the personal one.
Anyways, the first flag will likely be a temporary hodgepodge until they get around to a design from scratch (I.e. in about a century or so).
You're looking at a quartering of the Union and Prussia flags or the Union flag with a Prussia emblem.
HistoryMinor
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Alright, i'll make this request one more time. In this scenario, Spain remains the dominant power of Europe. Inbreeding still dooms the Hapsburgs however, but tighter control over Portugal, Italy and a France crippled by Comisards and the Fronde leads to a clearer Austrian claim to the throne. This mortifies the Spanish elite, who realize the new regime will funnel even more money into wars of religion against the Swedes, Dutch, Ottomans and Huguenots. They rebel alongside the nascent bourgeoisie and manage to cling to most of their territory in Iberia, Sardinia, French Catalonia and elsewhere, but in the process of losing Central Europe they cause conservatives in Latin America to also declare independence.
In our timeline, the absolutist Spanish monarchy was essentially overthrown by an army gathered to retake the Americas.The Trienio Liberal was in turn defeated by the forces of the restored French monarchy about three years later, which allowed the king to reassert his authority. In this scenario the expedition proceeds and meets with some success. The reconquest of Hispaniola is complicated by Brethren of the Coast aligned slave revolts (Haiti never existed in this timeline) and the Empire of Brazil absorbing many of the monied interests that had earlier fled the reestablishment of the Iberian Union, but large gains are made in New Grenada, parts of La Plata and most of Mexico. Unfortunately the Mosquito Coast is permanently lost to the British, The Netherlands secures more territory, mestizos liberate Peru and self dubbed Cristeros across the region continue to swear fealty to the Hapsburg line.
Basically I don't know how to make flags for the holdouts and new liberal administrative regions. Wikipedia is no help because it tends to show the same flag whenever i click on different Spanish regions. Because mainland Portugal would also be a core region in this timeline, i don't think slapping purple on everything in imitation of the flag of the second republic would make sense. Then again Iberian Union flags were centered around coat of arms, and the idealistic federalist one was proposed to look like this:
I'm thinking alot of virgin Marys and religious iconography on the conservative flags, a Empire of Brazil flag in blue but don't know where to go for the liberals.
In our timeline, the absolutist Spanish monarchy was essentially overthrown by an army gathered to retake the Americas.The Trienio Liberal was in turn defeated by the forces of the restored French monarchy about three years later, which allowed the king to reassert his authority. In this scenario the expedition proceeds and meets with some success. The reconquest of Hispaniola is complicated by Brethren of the Coast aligned slave revolts (Haiti never existed in this timeline) and the Empire of Brazil absorbing many of the monied interests that had earlier fled the reestablishment of the Iberian Union, but large gains are made in New Grenada, parts of La Plata and most of Mexico. Unfortunately the Mosquito Coast is permanently lost to the British, The Netherlands secures more territory, mestizos liberate Peru and self dubbed Cristeros across the region continue to swear fealty to the Hapsburg line.
Basically I don't know how to make flags for the holdouts and new liberal administrative regions. Wikipedia is no help because it tends to show the same flag whenever i click on different Spanish regions. Because mainland Portugal would also be a core region in this timeline, i don't think slapping purple on everything in imitation of the flag of the second republic would make sense. Then again Iberian Union flags were centered around coat of arms, and the idealistic federalist one was proposed to look like this:
I'm thinking alot of virgin Marys and religious iconography on the conservative flags, a Empire of Brazil flag in blue but don't know where to go for the liberals.
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When you said "France crippled by Comisards", did you mean "communards" (member of the paris commune of 1871) or "camisards" (hugenots insurgents from the 1700s) or something else in your ATL ?
considering the flag would have been designed during a civil war at a time when flags were still used on the battlefield, the first assumption to make is that the various factions would more than likely go for designs that are not easily confused in battlefield conditions. Blue fields or mainly blue for conservatives and dominant red for liberals for example. A simple design for the later could be one inspired by the old spanish civil ensign but recoloured white on red. It could be used as-in or defaced with a COA, logo or text depending on who uses it (militia, government, navy, etc....)
HistoryMinor
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I read an old article by Manuel Juncos (Political Iconography) that said yellow was conservative red liberal. He might have just been using that to symbolize the false divides caused by politics. (Puerto Rico's old colonial flag was red and yellow)
Venocara
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Thanks. A couple more things: could you please put a thin black border around the reverse-french canton, change the colour of the red to #bb0a1e and could you please make another version of this flag with a plain white field instead of the reverse-french canton (but still with the black outline)? Thank you.
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