Scientists are not infallible. They are just as blinded by their own prejudices as any of us. Some scientists actually have this problem worst, because they are renowned experts in their own fields, and some take that as indication that they could comment on other fields.
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He isn't a philosopher, he Scientists. As a philosophy student I can say that much of the philosophy is meaningless. Often the arguments from suck fingers and talk about non-existent things, frequently ignoring the practice.
In addition, I note that on science somewhere more good than by religion. Yes, one can not ignore the environmental pollution, but only science can solve this problem. In the end, only through scientific research, infant mortality has declined sharply.
And the benefit of religion? Rallies and comforts people !? But it can shatter the psyche, and can lead to conflicts. In fact it is only a means to manipulate the masses.
The same toys MIC are American evangelicals - the prototype of the Christian Taliban. Even more - the killer in the United States is easier to become president than an atheist. And the overwhelming majority of scientists will not support the bombing and ethnic cleansing.
As to the "moderate" clerics, their position is very shaky. Most religious texts were written in an era when cleaning and homophobia were the norm, and they offer some space to interpret literally, symbolically other ,, but about something silent. Agree - without the "sacred texts" to live is much easier.
In any case, religion isn't search for truth.
P.S. -It seems to need a new topic ...
Colonel Columbia
A superhero created as a feature character in animated shorts and films in the late thirties before crossing over into comic books later; Colonel Columbia was the brainchild of the young artist Samantha Weaver who came to the Secreteriat of Art and Culture with an idea for a hero to symbolize the new America. Colonel Columbia was conceived of as having an appearance akin to a greek Hoplite (due to greece being the birthplace of Democracy) mixed with the common American symbol of Columbia to create an idealized image of the new American woman; strong, tall, someone who speaks to men as an equal rather than a subordinate and even gives them orders quite often. With brilliant red hair and a red and black circular shield and wielding a wide array of weapons; from the spear to the sickle, her armoured form would be immediately distinctive and unsexualized in her greek style plate armour; though in design, other references were added to reflect America's nature as a nation of nations, with bits and pieces of various immigrant cultures appearing; with the final design of the armor drawing on the likes of Greece, the Norse, the Aztecs, and the Inca most prominently (regardless of how many historians try to point out that the wings on her helmet come from none of those cultures). Colonel Columbia was also noted for her rather unique origin; rather than being an every man who became great; she is actually a manifestation of America's collective ideals; something that would later come to be called a Tulpa effect. She draws strength not from some mystical resevoir of power or from her own greatness, but through the collective ideals of the people that she reflects rather than dictates as the fascist autocrats do. In terms of power; she would draw from a rather large array of references; the warrior skill of Brynnhild the Valkyrie, the speed of Atalanta, the strength of Hippolyta, the ferocity of Scathach, the wisdom of Athena, and the esoterical prowess of the Lady of the Lake and so on so forth; meant to symbolize America's nature as a nation of nations.
With a supporting cast including military men and women; children growing into their own powers; journalists, politicans, other heroes (later on) and others from all walks of life she would debut in 1939 to significant success in what some would call the first superhero movie; a 101 minute long animated film simply titled Colonel Colombia. In the film which covers her appearance; she goes to Spain and then to China to thwart a plan by the Axis to bring a swift end to the war in China by sending their own powered goons to try and seize evacuated factories and workers as well as trying to subvert the will of the people with the Nibelungen ring so that the power of China's collected people could be used to empower the main four villains; Siegfried, Yoshiro, Romulus, and Conquistador; allying with the embodiments of China, Argentina, and the Soviet Union to push back the darkness. Compared to snow white, the film was rather shockingly violent; even showing pools of blood from dying men (though not actual dismemberments...not on screen any way) and showing the entire process of the secondary villain Schneider being run through with a spear without cutting away or quickly shifting the focus to somewhere else and was openly condemning of things such as the expansion of the Axis' spheres of influence; the complicity of western Europe in the rise of fascism, and the plight of the world falling under the ring of steel. The final fight between Siegfried and Columbia and their allies was the most technically challenging and expensive work in animation ever done to that point as Samantha insisted on the powers unleashed being shown as catastrophic to embody the increasingly destructive nature of wars between great powers; the hero of Germanic legend; corrupted by Fascism poisoning his spirit and Columbia's duel literally causing mountains to shake and break.
Despite pulling in record attendances the enormous budget of the project meant that the amount of profit made was relatively modest; but it would soon spark a continuing legacy that has extended into the present era, and the Colonel has often appeared in crossovers with other series in the Comintern and is often used as a stand in for America period in the likes of satires and political cartoons. As America change, so too has the Colonel; with her revealing her own pansexuality in the mid fifties in an animated film that marked the animation studio's solidarity with the second cultural revolution, and at times Columbia has been portrayed as being in some opposition to the State of America when the writers felt that America was at times turning astray from its principle values. After all; she stands for America as the ideal of its people, not for America as the creature of politicians. A symbol of America; animators from all over the red sphere have taken their hand at depicting her in her red, black, and gold trimmed armour; her head instantly eye catching whether shown with its face concealing winged helmet or removed to show a woman in the prime of her life with striking hair as red as the blood of those who died to advance the cause. Though stalwart in battle; Samantha's insistence on humanizing characteristics to avoid "robotic" characters; taking pains to show even the likes of the steel clad Draguv of the Soviet Union being able to weep for the lost and Columbia having her own regrets and personality failings has given her a long enduring sort of appeal even as her eightieth anniversary approaches.
A superhero created as a feature character in animated shorts and films in the late thirties before crossing over into comic books later; Colonel Columbia was the brainchild of the young artist Samantha Weaver who came to the Secreteriat of Art and Culture with an idea for a hero to symbolize the new America. Colonel Columbia was conceived of as having an appearance akin to a greek Hoplite (due to greece being the birthplace of Democracy) mixed with the common American symbol of Columbia to create an idealized image of the new American woman; strong, tall, someone who speaks to men as an equal rather than a subordinate and even gives them orders quite often. With brilliant red hair and a red and black circular shield and wielding a wide array of weapons; from the spear to the sickle, her armoured form would be immediately distinctive and unsexualized in her greek style plate armour; though in design, other references were added to reflect America's nature as a nation of nations, with bits and pieces of various immigrant cultures appearing; with the final design of the armor drawing on the likes of Greece, the Norse, the Aztecs, and the Inca most prominently (regardless of how many historians try to point out that the wings on her helmet come from none of those cultures). Colonel Columbia was also noted for her rather unique origin; rather than being an every man who became great; she is actually a manifestation of America's collective ideals; something that would later come to be called a Tulpa effect. She draws strength not from some mystical resevoir of power or from her own greatness, but through the collective ideals of the people that she reflects rather than dictates as the fascist autocrats do. In terms of power; she would draw from a rather large array of references; the warrior skill of Brynnhild the Valkyrie, the speed of Atalanta, the strength of Hippolyta, the ferocity of Scathach, the wisdom of Athena, and the esoterical prowess of the Lady of the Lake and so on so forth; meant to symbolize America's nature as a nation of nations.
With a supporting cast including military men and women; children growing into their own powers; journalists, politicans, other heroes (later on) and others from all walks of life she would debut in 1939 to significant success in what some would call the first superhero movie; a 101 minute long animated film simply titled Colonel Colombia. In the film which covers her appearance; she goes to Spain and then to China to thwart a plan by the Axis to bring a swift end to the war in China by sending their own powered goons to try and seize evacuated factories and workers as well as trying to subvert the will of the people with the Nibelungen ring so that the power of China's collected people could be used to empower the main four villains; Siegfried, Yoshiro, Romulus, and Conquistador; allying with the embodiments of China, Argentina, and the Soviet Union to push back the darkness. Compared to snow white, the film was rather shockingly violent; even showing pools of blood from dying men (though not actual dismemberments...not on screen any way) and showing the entire process of the secondary villain Schneider being run through with a spear without cutting away or quickly shifting the focus to somewhere else and was openly condemning of things such as the expansion of the Axis' spheres of influence; the complicity of western Europe in the rise of fascism, and the plight of the world falling under the ring of steel. The final fight between Siegfried and Columbia and their allies was the most technically challenging and expensive work in animation ever done to that point as Samantha insisted on the powers unleashed being shown as catastrophic to embody the increasingly destructive nature of wars between great powers; the hero of Germanic legend; corrupted by Fascism poisoning his spirit and Columbia's duel literally causing mountains to shake and break.
Despite pulling in record attendances the enormous budget of the project meant that the amount of profit made was relatively modest; but it would soon spark a continuing legacy that has extended into the present era, and the Colonel has often appeared in crossovers with other series in the Comintern and is often used as a stand in for America period in the likes of satires and political cartoons. As America change, so too has the Colonel; with her revealing her own pansexuality in the mid fifties in an animated film that marked the animation studio's solidarity with the second cultural revolution, and at times Columbia has been portrayed as being in some opposition to the State of America when the writers felt that America was at times turning astray from its principle values. After all; she stands for America as the ideal of its people, not for America as the creature of politicians. A symbol of America; animators from all over the red sphere have taken their hand at depicting her in her red, black, and gold trimmed armour; her head instantly eye catching whether shown with its face concealing winged helmet or removed to show a woman in the prime of her life with striking hair as red as the blood of those who died to advance the cause. Though stalwart in battle; Samantha's insistence on humanizing characteristics to avoid "robotic" characters; taking pains to show even the likes of the steel clad Draguv of the Soviet Union being able to weep for the lost and Columbia having her own regrets and personality failings has given her a long enduring sort of appeal even as her eightieth anniversary approaches.
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If y'all want to be Banned, all you need to do is ask. No need to proclaim yourself ready to die for your (dis)beliefs.
Right now all you have managed is to demonstrate a rather remarkable lack of understanding on a wide variety of subjects.
If you want to be Banned drop me a PM.
Hahahaha.
I've been looking at the recent world-building and feminism and foreign policy chat thing...and honestly, I got so annoyed that I almost do not want to read this thread anymore. There are many things that sounded so off. It's probably my bias of seeing such Eurocentrism that is getting to me.
I've already mentioned an example of such a weird world and that's Jonathan Edelstein's Male Rising and that's a world that is only slightly richer ITTL in general and but it's way less Third Worldish and it created such weirdness...plus with ideological worldviews that are clearly left-socialist and left-liberal in many places. What more about Reds despite most of it coming only in the later 20th century? We even have the Green Revolution? What more about that? Do you guys know enough about cybernetics, parecon, libertarian municipalism, mutualism, etc. Those things?
It's even hard to make people understand certain simple things like Marxism and religion.... as well as polyamory, sexuality, free love...family issues.
It's true, we are just coloring things Red in bringing things that are clearly so OTL. Even the focus on popular culture like the Trilateral Commission and the Grand Area is still ruling the Reds universe. What I mean by that is the Western European-North America-Japan hegemony.
What happened to China and Russia? They are our Britain and France now. Mexico? It's our Canada now. Communist Ethiopia and Iran? Central Asian culture? Soviet Union is not going to look exactly like OTL right?
It's simply hard to look at all of it...but thanks for trying. But it doesn't work. It's just so bad. The United States culture in Male Rising looks more Reddish than your attempts and that's a US that only looks more Germany-Sweden economically IOTL.
Read about socialist Russia in Male Rising. That's the weirdness I am talking. Sure, that's Russia. But it doesn't look like Russia at all....You know what I am saying?
I know I am maybe setting the bar too high, but I can't help it. I'm sorry for saying all of this if it may offend some people.
It's even more annoying that we have non-socialists participating that for all of their enthusiasm in participating and effort in making things happen....It just doesn't click. You guys may have not noticed it but you are all bringing your own prejudices in your world-building and character-making. Ideological biases, as well. Even if you guys try to lessen it and be more non-partisan and put things in the context of Reds! as you understand it.
It's just doesn't work unfortunately.
I've seen the characters...and I've already mentioned one example that did not look a fit at all and explained what I mean. But I am too tired to point out things about the others...because it just built up to almost everyone in terms of incompatibilities.
I get where you're coming from. Something that has been bothering me about a lot of the speculation about culture and attitudes in the Reds timeline is how little it seems to have deviated from OTL culture. A lot of the cultural products are fairly OTL but with a lick of Red paint, whilst the social and ethical mores are just generalised contemporary left-wing values (or common decency as I like to call it).
Contrast this with another timeline I like which deals with a lot of speculative left-communist themes: A Martian Stranded on Earth. In a nutshell, the PoD is that Lenin dies in 1907 and as a result Alexander Bogdanov ends up leading the Bolsheviks to victory. Under his leadership the revolutionary optimism of the 1920s doesn't die down and the revolutionary government fully embraces every aspect of the scientific and artistic avant guard. The end result of this is a massive techwank, but also the creation of an almost alien culture and morality within the alt-Soviet Union that is considerably different to anything IOTL and can even be a bit uncomfortable. The Sovetunio embraces Esperanto as a common language and has a state religion based on Cosmism and God-Building; and those are among the least weird parts. The Sovetunio is democratic and libertarian, but they also have a state-sponsored positive eugenics program, grow brain-dead bodies for organ harvesting, lobotomise violent criminals, and have almost no conception of medical ethics.
In that timeline socialism has been shown to offer a viable alternative to capitalism, but the cultural values between the alt-Soviets and the West are so divergent that it's understandable that the West hasn't embraced the revolution and moderate socialists might want to distance themselves from it.
In the Reds fanfic thread, however, the most that Comintern values seem to have diverged from IOTL is that trans rights are about a century ahead, more people treat women and non-white men with decency, and everyone's supposedly a bit pansexual. The only real attempt to really explore what post-capitalist culture might look like was the speculation about a breakdown in blood-related conceptions of family during the second cultural revolution.
It's kind of hard to imagine that the world hasn't embraced Communism by the present, because there's only so much that reactionary pearl-clutching over treating people with dignity can do to scare people away from the warm embrace of Communism, especially given the considerable cultural exchange between the Comintern and AFS.
I mean, there has been some signs of an alien culture in the UASR. Politics in everyday life, high school students running for public office, nudity on morning television, everything being done communally, and one that I find really telling--"anti-social" now meaning "against common decency". Work off of stuff like that.
Eh, not that alien.
EDIT: There's a news programme in Canada, Naked News, softcore porn, but I think they also present news. Never seen it, so no idea if true or not....
One thing I've really wanted to explore was the relationship between UASR and crime. Particularly how the more utopian, but still pragmatic UASR deals with the less utopian minded individuals who commit these crimes and aren't easily rehabilitate-able.
You mean the poor bastards who get to work up in Alaska extracting oil from the ground?
Or on a penal farm? Worse come to it, it gives them a trade, is hard work, and keeps them isolated.
Well, I suppose, although with the environmental renaissance and better technology, I doubt they are extracting oil.
That dark piece I mentioned earlier was about a serial killer, and how the community had trouble trying to catch him.
I'd imagine that, for all but the worst cases, prison in the UASR will focus on rehabilitation and communal therapy rather than punishment and torture. There might still be hard labor, but it's used as a learning experience rather than to break them. Supermax prisons probably don't exist.
I think mental health care works the same way. Less large asylums based on drugs, and more communal rehabilitation based on better health and encourages, away from the stresses of modern society
And somebody tried to classify Redsverse on Gurps system? it-would be just interesting to address this "infinite universe"
In fact, you might think about the importance of female nudity in the ITL America. IMHO - modern attitude to the body in many ways shaped the market economy. I remember a photo where some celebrity compare themselves with carcass of a cow, with label for cutting. And although it was a vegetarian campaign, modern society is looking at about nudity as well.
Under capitalism, the body just another commodity. And as a matter of change in the red America. It should be borne in mind that according to Marx, the main goal of a communist society is human development, as they is the main resource.
I mean, that would be nice add in the Reds' infinite worlds. ".
Type to create a character who was born there, or even make a small campaign...
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
I'm back. Damn, work takes a lot out of you.
I'm thinking of doing a small AH thread involving ITTL Fallout, but I don't know all the details and frankly I don't care to look through the thread for details. if someone could let me know what the details are (to prevent stuff like the "Tami tiger" thread) that would be great.
I might do something involving starship troopers too.
Honestly writing about the marines bored me but I might start that up again with RSRs permission
I'm thinking of doing a small AH thread involving ITTL Fallout, but I don't know all the details and frankly I don't care to look through the thread for details. if someone could let me know what the details are (to prevent stuff like the "Tami tiger" thread) that would be great.
I might do something involving starship troopers too.
Honestly writing about the marines bored me but I might start that up again with RSRs permission
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
Jingoistic to you, fucking awesome to me.
I hope you know that it was supposed to be a Jingoistic peice?