Reds fanfic

[Marisa Kiridifferent]

Herge, as far as I could tell, became more moderate by the 40's, and much of the conservative, Belgian stereotyping that had marked earlier Tintin books was toned down significantly.

Yeah,since Blue Lotus i think.In the Comintern sphere,i think the RoC would love Tintin,probably making Herge a honorary citizen or something.

 

[bookmark95]

Herge, as far as I could tell, became more moderate by the 40's, and much of the conservative, Belgian stereotyping that had marked earlier Tintin books was toned down significantly. Also, I don't think he had strong political views to begin with, merely adopting the views of his editors. I suspect that Tintin would visit more communist nations, and provide a more nuanced, if still negative, view of it. Tintin would definitely be the comic classic of Western Europe, and maybe the rest of the capitalist world.

What would a foreign traveler who came to 50s Metropolis find? What, besides the superiority complex and the very bright flags would stick out to an outsider from Belgium?

 

[WotanArgead]

Heck! BioWare located in Canada, which means that some of the best RPGs will go to "imperialist pig"! And it is considering a series of good RPG for Star Wars!

 

[Mr. C]

What would a foreign traveler who came to 50s Metropolis find? What, besides the superiority complex and the very bright flags would stick out to an outsider from Belgium?

Probably how sexually "open" everyone is. How the women are on more or less equal footing with the men, and how they won't take sexist bullshit kindly. The fact that everyone seems to be an "freelance intellectual", from poets and artists to factory workers and plumbers. The multiculturalism. And, most of all, despite there being a Cold War, and all the propaganda about the Western European imperialists...our Belgian traveler is not hated. He asks a bellhop at his hotel why that is. "You ain't my enemy, pal. The everyday folks over in Western Europe don't get no say in their government. We got the same enemy: the politicians and the businessmen in your countries."

Now, he understands.

 

[Miss Teri]

Heck! BioWare located in Canada, which means that some of the best RPGs will go to "imperialist pig"! And it is considering a series of good RPG for Star Wars!

Well, Canada switches over to Comintern after the Quebecois Crisis, and Bioware was founded in 1995, so it would come from "good communists."

Probably how sexually "open" everyone is

They're probably not going to show that in a book meant for children.

 

[Mr. C]

Well, Canada switches over to Comintern after the Quebecois Crisis, and Bioware was founded in 1995, so it would come from "good communists."

They're probably not going to show that in a book meant for children.

I know, but that would certainly surprise him.

 

[Mr. C]

So, I've been writing something regarding an American television adaptation of Sherlock Holmes, with Gene Wilder as Holmes and Richard Pryor as John Seacole Watson...anyone like that casting?

 

[Miss Teri]

So, I've been writing something regarding an American television adaptation of Sherlock Holmes, with Gene Wilder as Holmes and Richard Pryor as John Seacole Watson...anyone like that casting?

Is it a comedy? What era would it be made?

 

[Mr. C]

Is it a comedy? What era would it be made?

The seventies.

It's a mostly serious work--but there's some differences.

Holmes would be more of a dandy and a bohemian (more Robert Downey Jr. than Benedict Cumberbatch, so to speak), and Watson (who is the son of Mary Seacole) is more down to earth.

There would be a more gritty, realistic portrayal of life in Victorian London. In one of the original stories, The Green Poppy (set in Limehouse, then Singapore and Hong Kong), Watson comments "I wonder why they chose to live here". Holmes sarcastically replies "To get away from civilization, of course!"

Also, since I'd imagine that the martial arts movie craze of the seventies would still happen in this timeline, Holmes would get to use his cane skills a lot more, and Watson would get to show off his army training.

And, of course, Irene Adler would get a more prominent role. (Not as a love interest for Holmes, though--the writers felt that it would stray too far from Arthur Conan Doyle's vision of the character)

I did consider giving the Watson role to Harry Belafonte, but I realized that Pryor and Wilder already compliment each other as a comedy duo, so why wouldn't they work in a more dramatic role?

 

[Miss Teri]

I did consider giving the Watson role to Harry Belafonte, but I realized that Pryor and Wilder already compliment each other as a comedy duo, so why wouldn't it work in a more dramatic role.

The "Straight man- wacky man" interaction seen in comedy is a large part of the Holmes-Watson, and Pryor and Wilder do have good chemistry with each other. So, it works.

 

[bookmark95]

Probably how sexually "open" everyone is. How the women are on more or less equal footing with the men, and how they won't take sexist bullshit kindly. The fact that everyone seems to be an "freelance intellectual", from poets and artists to factory workers and plumbers. The multiculturalism. And, most of all, despite there being a Cold War, and all the propaganda about the Western European imperialists...our Belgian traveler is not hated. He asks a bellhop at his hotel why that is. "You ain't my enemy, pal. The everyday folks don't get no say in their government. We got the same enemy: the politicians and the businessmen in your country."

Now, he understands.

The first few points I can imagine. Gender and racial equality were the first major goals of the UASR. America in the 1950s is also in the midst of a Second Cultural Revolution, which would result in enough "liberalization" that would make an ancient Greek blush.

But the last part raises an interesting question. Why is there so much hostility between Western Europe and the UASR post-war and on the counterfactual thread pages if the UASR population acts so nice to a weary traveler?

More importantly, after having suffered a brutal and deadly war due to the treachery of an extreme-right regime, why wouldn't most Europeans embrace the UASR? The governments of Europe said the UASR was full of socialist monsters, and these so-called fiends save them from the real monster.

 

[Mr. C]

The first few points I can imagine. Gender and racial equality were the first major goals of the UASR. America in the 1950s is also in the midst of a Second Cultural Revolution, which would result in enough "liberalization" that would make an ancient Greek blush.

But the last part raises an interesting question. Why is there so much hostility between Western Europe and the UASR post-war and on the counterfactual thread pages if the UASR population acts so nice to a weary traveler?

More importantly, after having suffered a brutal and deadly war due to the treachery of an extreme-right regime, why wouldn't most Europeans embrace the UASR? The governments of Europe said the UASR was full of socialist monsters, and these so-called fiends save them from the real monster.

Hmmm...never thought about it like that.

You could make the case that Socialist American values seem completely alien to outsiders. In the pre-revs, a British leftist comments on American sexual mores:

But surely all that sexual openness leads to sex losing some of, well, its magic? I mean sure, America seems on the surface like a pre-teen boy’s wanking fantasy, but sex must just seem so frighteningly ordinary that it stops being so special. I mean, at least here in Britain, it’s kind of a big step into a new world. Without getting into too much detail, my first time with my boyfriend was a romantic, almost magical occaission, and it signified that our relationship had become serious and exclusive.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been a proud leftist all of my life. This girl is a red diaper baby born in the steel mills of Birmingham. But damn, some times I think you Yanks don’t realize how much you’ve lost.

To those in the capitalist sphere, Americans may come off as being "too liberated"--oversexed, overeducated, and overachieving. Obsessed with appearing smart, condescending even when they like you ("it's not your fault you've been brainwashed by a moneyed elite!"), and--well, a lot of people will still find the idea of being a boss appealing.

And aside from all that, it's implied that America does some nasty things in the Cold War. Even if they mean well, they can still destroy half the world by trying to "save" you.

Tl;dr: The UASR is the Culture, but all the FBU sees is Special Circumstances.

 

[bookmark95]

Hmmm...never thought about it like that.

You could make the case that Socialist American values seem completely alien to outsiders. In the pre-revs, a British leftist comments on American sexual mores:



To those in the capitalist sphere, Americans may come off as being "too liberated"--oversexed, overeducated, and overachieving. Obsessed with appearing smart, condescending even when they like you ("it's not your fault you've been brainwashed by a moneyed elite!"), and--well, a lot of people will still find the idea of being a boss appealing.

And aside from all that, it's implied that America does some nasty things in the Cold War. Even if they mean well, they can still destroy half the world by trying to "save" you.

Tl;dr: The UASR is the Culture, but all the FBU sees is Special Circumstances.

To a lot of people, UASR residents can come across as a mixture of grotesque and condescending. I can understand that. Resisting change being conservative doesn't make you a bad person, but in the UASR, it can make you an outcast.

But surely that shouldn't lead to so much hostility that it leads a Cold War. Unless the UASR people deliberately are forcing the Third World to embrace their anarcho-syndicalism. Then you can argue that the Socialist Americans are a danger to the world.

 

[Mr. C]

To a lot of people, UASR residents can come across as a mixture of grotesque and condescending. I can understand that. Resisting change being conservative doesn't make you a bad person, but in the UASR, it can make you an outcast.

But surely that shouldn't lead to so much hostility that it leads a Cold War. Unless the UASR people deliberately are forcing the Third World to embrace their anarcho-syndicalism. Then you can argue that the Socialist Americans are a danger to the world.

Seems like that might be the case...

 

[WotanArgead]

A significant part of the works of modern mass culture are the fruit of commerce. This is especially true sequels and remakes. But in the Union socialism, which means that the creation of works guided by other criteria. My personal list of what-could not occur in the United States -
Mass Effect:Andromeda - I'm not sure that this series will be the date in ATL, as like with the Communist point of view of the cosmos is to be peaceful (Star Wars does not count, ak as a complete fantasy and Mass effect it claims to be a kind of realism) but Andromeda is not accurate, since the story is over! It is a complete work (in spite of the weak ending).
Star Wars: The Force Awakens - The Original Trilogy is completed, the second - it is necessary for the story prequels. Why shoot another trilogy !?
Any film about Transformers - it's only advertising toys.
Much will be cut superhero universes - perhaps they do not even have time to really come, as they require a huge amount of sequels,, and eventually the quality of films falls.
The Big Bang Theory - The series will close just before, as Leonard has made his.

Do you have any ideas on this score?

 

[The_Red_Star_Rising]

A significant part of the works of modern mass culture are the fruit of commerce. This is especially true sequels and remakes. But in the Union socialism, which means that the creation of works guided by other criteria. My personal list of what-could not occur in the United States -
Mass Effect:Andromeda - I'm not sure that this series will be the date in ATL, as like with the Communist point of view of the cosmos is to be peaceful (Star Wars does not count, ak as a complete fantasy and Mass effect it claims to be a kind of realism) but Andromeda is not accurate, since the story is over! It is a complete work (in spite of the weak ending).
Star Wars: The Force Awakens - The Original Trilogy is completed, the second - it is necessary for the story prequels. Why shoot another trilogy !?
Any film about Transformers - it's only advertising toys.
Much will be cut superhero universes - perhaps they do not even have time to really come, as they require a huge amount of sequels,, and eventually the quality of films falls.
The Big Bang Theory - The series will close just before, as Leonard has made his.

Do you have any ideas on this score?

The different copyright rules means that it's likely that people are just going to keep on making additions to the series as what amounts to fanfiction.

Similarly, violence still exists in Space Opera; though these are usually classified as dark and gritty space operas by the 70s; while more Utopian works are considered to be on the light end of the scale. Mass Effect for example, has humanity have to work out how to get into space entirely on its own; no protheans, no anything. So they enter the galaxy with a different tech and cultural base from the Citadel species who are largely working on the technology handed down by the reapers and so are more culturally and technologically stagnant; thus never leaving the capitalist stage of civilization.

The end of the sixth movie left open the whole "there's an entire rest of the empire" question open. Yay you took out the Emperor, a large fleet, and a superweapon. Now deal with the other 98% of Imperial military capacity and deal with the remainder of fascism in the galaxy to create a socialist society.

Me and Jello have our own ideas for Transformers and many other toy franchises of the 80s. They'll be very heavily reworked and will, like most Children's entertainment; not talk down to children. Optimus is a revolutionary, Megatron is a fascist, and Nova Prime represents the conservative establishment is the basic and simplest gist of it. I figured that entertainment is going to be an industry that remains very firmly in the co-op sector for basically the entirety of this timeline's run; it'll be one of the last industries to give way to paraecon and is going to be perhaps the major industry with the least nationalization.

We'll cross the bridge of superhero cinema when we cross it. They won't be as dominant; but they won't be nonexistent as the UASR lacks the USSR's censorship laws that essentially banned the superhero genre and heavily restricted soft science fiction and fantasy.

 

[WotanArgead]

Similarly, violence still exists in Space Opera; though these are usually classified as dark and gritty space operas by the 70s; while more Utopian works are considered to be on the light end of the scale. Mass Effect for example, has humanity have to work out how to get into space entirely on its own; no protheans, no anything. So they enter the galaxy with a different tech and cultural base from the Citadel species who are largely working on the technology handed down by the reapers and so are more culturally and technologically stagnant; thus never leaving the capitalist stage of civilization.

Perhaps, although the new provision should still affect the economic system. But that's not the point. I say first of all that Andromeda, in principle, do not need!

The end of the sixth movie left open the whole "there's an entire rest of the empire" question open. Yay you took out the Emperor, a large fleet, and a superweapon. Now deal with the other 98% of Imperial military capacity and deal with the remainder of fascism in the galaxy to create a socialist society.

In this case, it will be more like the "expanded universe" (which is waiting fans). But I'm sure that will not be such a nonsense - "Star Wars every year."

Me and Jello have our own ideas for Transformers and many other toy franchises of the 80s. They'll be very heavily reworked and will, like most Children's entertainment; not talk down to children. Optimus is a revolutionary, Megatron is a fascist, and Nova Prime represents the conservative establishment is the basic and simplest gist of it. I figured that entertainment is going to be an industry that remains very firmly in the co-op sector for basically the entirety of this timeline's run; it'll be one of the last industries to give way to paraecon and is going to be perhaps the major industry with the least nationalization.

What for?

We'll cross the bridge of superhero cinema when we cross it. They won't be as dominant; but they won't be nonexistent as the UASR lacks the USSR's censorship laws that essentially banned the superhero genre and heavily restricted soft science fiction and fantasy.

I'm not talking about the absence of superhero movies, and that there will not be "phases" and announcements painted on two decades.

 

[The_Red_Star_Rising]

Perhaps, although the new provision should still affect the economic system. But that's not the point. I say first of all that Andromeda, in principle, do not need!

In pure artistic terms having a definitive end to a story is always nice. But to be entirely honest, generally speaking people are always going to want something more out of their favorite stories and there will always be people willing to craft more to those tales. This has been true since the oldest myths; which have had countless additions from countless storytellers all thinking there should have been a little more. Given the co-operative nature of most entertainment companies, if the game developer feels that they want to make a sequel (because it's really hard to let go of what you feel is your artistic baby); then they'll make one. Simple as that.

Also the conditions that produced the Soviet Union's rather constricted fiction was a result of the USSR's extremely restrictive censorship laws that almost completely eliminated a number of genres from being made. Science fiction was choked by the USSR's demand that all Science Fiction comply with only its vision of the future and nothing else; Fantasy was held back by the Soviet Union's disdain for fiction that violated its principles of materialism, Superheroes were banned entirely for being seen as overly individualistic. I'm not sure why Alternate history novels never caught on in the Soviet Union; might have been a ban or simply an intelligentsia disdain for counterfactual history. Horror, especially the American form that's so reliant on the supernatural, could not flourish for the same reasons that Fantasy could not in the USSR. A lot of very great works of fiction were created with those restrictions, but the UASR isn't going to be nearly as choking with its limitations on fiction creating.

In this case, it will be more like the "expanded universe" (which is waiting fans). But I'm sure that will not be such a nonsense - "Star Wars every year."

Maybe; maybe not. The old plans for star wars were drafted before the force awakens was revealed. We'll have to see in the fourth thread.

What for?

It is quite frankly much more interesting to examine children's popular culture through the lens of altered familiar faces than through the arduous task of trying to create something entirely from scratch. Realistically all our beloved popular culture Franchises from after the 40s shouldn't exist; but much like with our usage of many OTL famous figures, we decided to give OTL franchises a role to play for the sake of grounding the timeline in the familiar. So rather than try and create some half assed 80s toylines that will doubtlessly not acquire much interest from the readers I've decided to give a twist to something I consider myself a bit of an expert on.

Because honestly; Black and Red Communist Revolutionary Optimus Prime is far more interesting than Donut Steele the Original Space Robot.

I'm not talking about the absence of superhero movies, and that there will not be "phases" and announcements painted on two decades.

I'm not exactly sure what this sentence means.

Generally speaking with a very long term project like the MCU having everything planned out beforehand is actually a very good thing artistically as it means you can keep everything consistent and have a clear picture of the acts and arcs you're giving to the metaplot of the series. If you just ad hoc and improvise everything you get what happened to superhero comics in our timeline; a big impenetrable mess of continuity as none of the authors acted with much collaboration. If any such long term plans for a film series come out; you're likely going to see MCU esque plans for them to make sure everyone's on the same page and everyone knows where the start, middle, and end will be.

 

[WotanArgead]

In pure artistic terms having a definitive end to a story is always nice. But to be entirely honest, generally speaking people are always going to want something more out of their favorite stories and there will always be people willing to craft more to those tales. This has been true since the oldest myths; which have had countless additions from countless storytellers all thinking there should have been a little more. Given the co-operative nature of most entertainment companies, if the game developer feels that they want to make a sequel (because it's really hard to let go of what you feel is your artistic baby); then they'll make one. Simple as that.

Well, maybe .... although it's more likely reason for fan fiction (think the original engine will be available).

Also the conditions that produced the Soviet Union's rather constricted fiction was a result of the USSR's extremely restrictive censorship laws that almost completely eliminated a number of genres from being made. Science fiction was choked by the USSR's demand that all Science Fiction comply with only its vision of the future and nothing else; Fantasy was held back by the Soviet Union's disdain for fiction that violated its principles of materialism, Superheroes were banned entirely for being seen as overly individualistic. I'm not sure why Alternate history novels never caught on in the Soviet Union; might have been a ban or simply an intelligentsia disdain for counterfactual history. Horror, especially the American form that's so reliant on the supernatural, could not flourish for the same reasons that Fantasy could not in the USSR. A lot of very great works of fiction were created with those restrictions, but the UASR isn't going to be nearly as choking with its limitations on fiction creating.

As far as I remember in the works of Soviet literature were allowed supernatural and more accurately translated and printed legally.
And yet we must understand that in the case of "heavy Fiction" can not be just ignored Marxism.

 

[WotanArgead]

Happy Halloween!
Your Dead Wotan!!!