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What are the Olympics like ITTL?

I'd imagine that politics would be at the forefront, like during the Cold War IOTL.
I'm guessing the Olympics mostly go as OTL up to WW2.

One interesting thing I've found looking into the history of the Olympics is how often Detroit was in contention to host the event from the 1940s to the 1970s. Seems like it would be a pretty interesting choice to host the Olympics ITTL.
 
I'm guessing the Olympics mostly go as OTL up to WW2.

One interesting thing I've found looking into the history of the Olympics is how often Detroit was in contention to host the event from the 1940s to the 1970s. Seems like it would be a pretty interesting choice to host the Olympics ITTL.
Well, the 1936 Olympics were still held in Berlin, and the UASR strategically placed Black and Jewish athletes to piss Hitler off.

I wonder how the FBU athletes are represented though. Are there individual British and French teams, or is there an overarching "Entente" team?
 
Well, the 1936 Olympics were still held in Berlin, and the UASR strategically placed Black and Jewish athletes to piss Hitler off.

I wonder how the FBU athletes are represented though. Are there individual British and French teams, or is there an overarching "Entente" team?

I suspect at first there will be two British and French teams, which will get merged at around the point the Welsh and Scots start seriously asking, "Why can't we have a separate team as well?"

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I suspect at first there will be two British and French teams, which will get merged at around the point the Welsh and Scots start seriously asking, "Why can't we have a separate team as well?"

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the franco-british unionism alone would make a good timeline.
 
Well, the 1936 Olympics were still held in Berlin, and the UASR strategically placed Black and Jewish athletes to piss Hitler off.
I remember reading that. It's interesting since the 1936 Olympics are one ITTL that I would argue could have seen significant divergence from OTL, since there was some debate over whether to move the games out of Germany after the Nazis took over as well as calls for a boycott. It doesn't seem likely Avery Brundage would be president the UASR's Olympic Committee, and in OTL he ended up arguing in favor of the Berlin Olympics going ahead and for the US team's participation. It was the US team agreeing to participate in the Berlin Olympics that ended the debate to move it.

The UASR may not have to do anything to piss Hitler off if the IOC decides to rescind the Olympics from Berlin. Losing the Olympics would be a pretty major embarrassment for him.
 
I remember reading that. It's interesting since the 1936 Olympics are one ITTL that I would argue could have seen significant divergence from OTL, since there was some debate over whether to move the games out of Germany after the Nazis took over as well as calls for a boycott. It doesn't seem likely Avery Brundage would be president the UASR's Olympic Committee, and in OTL he ended up arguing in favor of the Berlin Olympics going ahead and for the US team's participation. It was the US team agreeing to participate in the Berlin Olympics that ended the debate to move it.

The UASR may not have to do anything to piss Hitler off if the IOC decides to rescind the Olympics from Berlin. Losing the Olympics would be a pretty major embarrassment for him.
Probably Anglo-French lobby?The Nazis are seen in better light in the interwar by the Western Europeans
 
Probably Anglo-French lobby?The Nazis are seen in better light in the interwar by the Western Europeans
Yeah, I agree that the British or French team filling the American team's OTL role in agreeing to participate is probably what ended up happening ITTL.

If it did move, there would be the question of where to move it to. Barcelona got second in the vote total after Berlin, but if it moved to Barcelona there would be the problem of the Spanish Civil War breaking out when games are supposed to be held.
 
I just read a bit on it. Fascinating. And I do see where you're going with this...

I just thought that he could, would pass in America. In addition, it is interesting to look at the new "Children of Festival".

Maybe in Moscow will be a normal condoms :)!
 
Another thing I never get an answer to, so I decided to write something just to get discussion going:

Excerpt from "Netaji: The Life and Struggles of Subhas Chandra Bose" (Krishna Books, Hydrabad, 2008)

[...] Bose was still living in exile in Austria when news came that the last US navy ship had left the mainland. At this point, he began studying the rise of fascism in Germany and Italy, and communism in Rossiya. He was immediately intrigued by the "communist experiment" in America. He traveled to the UASR in 1935, first to Metropolis and then on to Deleon-Debs. As an exiled Indian independence leader, he was greeted with sympathy amongst Americans. In turn, he expressed admiration for the heavily democratic, but still authoritarian character of the American Union. He was especially intrigued by the various ethnic republics carved out of the new nation. Bose supposed that this idea could be applied to create new states in an independent India "I have become convinced that the American socialist model of government is the model by which a Free India should be run by," he told a Austrian friend in a letter in 1936. With the conflict brewing in Cuba, he soon got into contact with sections of the American foreign service to discuss American support for the Congress and the independence of India in the event of a war between the UASR and the British Empire. While that war never materialized, he keep his American contacts when he returned to India in 1937. These contacts would later form the basis of Comintern's support for the INC for a time, particularly when Bose was elected president of Congress in 1938. Gandhi and Nehru would seize upon this during their attempt to force Bose from the position, fearing that the Congress, and perhaps by extension an independent India, would become a mere puppet of the Soviet-American establishment, and forced to follow their bottom line. Gandhi, in particular, was outspoken against Bose's willingness to use force and violence to gain independence. Despite his opposition, Bose won out in 1937 over Pattabhi Sitaramayya, Gandhi's preferred candidate. However, Gandhian elements in the Congress soon took control away from Bose, who, despite the attempts of Comintern to retain him, was forced from the Presidency.
[...]
When the deal with Viceroy Lord Linlithgow to not interfere in Iran, in exchange for Comintern distancing the Congress from civil disobedience came to the attention of Congress in 1940, Bose immediately resigned. He felt betrayed by the Americans, who he felt had abandoned the cause of Indian independence to serve some short term needs. Bose's departure, along with those who sympathized with him, weakened Comintern hold on the INC. Nehru, himself of moderate socialist sympathies and hearing about rumors of war crimes in Axis occupied countries, convinced Gandhi, who had his misgivings to the lack of large scale resistance, to support the measure, at least during the wartime period, to appease the socialist faction, and perhaps hopes for a fully independent India if Britain comes out weakened from the war, and they could commit civil disobdience afterwards. In the meantime, with the invasion of France and the formation of the Franco-British Union in 1942, Bose at first gravitated towards Germany, who were rising as the enemies of Britain, and whom he might finally get support. However, his admiration for the Soviet Union precluded this. He couldn't get help from the then-British allied USSR, either. Finally, he decided to take Japanese help. Thus, he managed to reach the Adaman and Nicobar Islands in 1943, and reached Japanese occupied China, where he was taken to Tokyo. There, he was put in charge of the "Indian National Army," or commonly called today the "Azad Hind", a new Japanese backed army of Indian POWs and radical independence fighters. This was actually the second incarnation of the army, the first disbanded due to a conflict of interest. Japan hoped to use Bose as a rallying figure to help in an Indian uprising. The Azad Hind would be kept as a reserve force until Japan could launch its invasion, where they would be transported, and utilized. To the INA, this would mean a free India. To the Japanese, it meant an India under its thumb...."
 
So, I have three ideas for pieces, and I want to see which one has the most interest. Here are the three:

- A look into "Nazis in South America" in TTL fiction
- A decade-by-decade look at popular music
or
- A TTL depiction of a visit to India (based partially on my own experiences living there)

So, just comment which one you might want to see.
 

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So, I have three ideas for pieces, and I want to see which one has the most interest. Here are the three:

- A look into "Nazis in South America" in TTL fiction
- A decade-by-decade look at popular music
or
- A TTL depiction of a visit to India (based partially on my own experiences living there)

So, just comment which one you might want to see.

Nazis in South America: I'd love to see what role they play in the ITTL Cold War.
 
So, I have three ideas for pieces, and I want to see which one has the most interest. Here are the three:

- A look into "Nazis in South America" in TTL fiction
- A decade-by-decade look at popular music
or
- A TTL depiction of a visit to India (based partially on my own experiences living there)

So, just comment which one you might want to see.
I'm honestly interested in a TTL visit of India.
 
So, I have three ideas for pieces, and I want to see which one has the most interest. Here are the three:

- A look into "Nazis in South America" in TTL fiction
- A decade-by-decade look at popular music
or
- A TTL depiction of a visit to India (based partially on my own experiences living there)

So, just comment which one you might want to see.
A look into popular music I will even colab.
 
Okay, so since @tuxer and @Edward_Elric both voted for @Derekc2 vote, making it one to three to one, I'll do that one. Although, I would also like to hear @ANARCHY_4_ALL suggestions for popular music, if you would like to either post it here or send me a PM. Anyway, here's a description of a visit to India, written by a visiting American writer (presumably a magazine writer for a travel magazine or an international affairs magazine.) Some of this is based off my own experiences living there 3 years ago.

A brief sojourn through the channels on Indian television provides an excellent insight into India's modern culture. I made a quick scan of the channels, while sitting at my hotel room in Mumbai. The most prominent commercials that dominated the channels was skin lightening creams. Multiple iterations of skin lightening, show how it lightens the skin, how much it lightens it. Every 5 of 10 commercials were for skin creams. The generally light skin of the actors in these commercials (and all other commercials and most television and movies for that matter) shows an increased preoccupation with this feature. Of course, traditionally, the Brahmins, the highest Hindu caste often have lighter skin than the lower castes, so this is perhaps a capitalist reflection of such an attitude. A way of showing superiority in this new Hindu-capitalist society. The rest of the commercials is the same frivolous commerciality that one might find in the Franco-British Union. Commercials for health products, health foods, perfumes, laptops, hair products. The same sort of bourgeois pap that is common across the AFS sphere. The shows in between the commercials aren't much better. Mostly dull soap operas, absurd over-extravagant musicals, and channels dedicated to international shows, primarily British or Australian soap operas. The musicals have some charm, I must confess, and many people living in socialist nations have an affinity for them, but the rest aren't worth more than a mere mention. I did come across a news program briefly covering Colombo police arresting members of the "terrorist" organization "The Tamil Tigers". They were apparently responsible for a series of bombings in Ceylon and the area around Chennai, with the stated goal of seceding from the Greater Commonwealth, and forming a Tamil majority state in Southern India and Northern Ceylon. They are but one of many different seccessionist movements across the country. Possibly protesting both supposed British domination of India, and Indian domination of them. Bengali and Kashmiri separatists have become popular due to the increased Hindutva domination of the country, which threatens the majority Islamic populations in those places. The "Khalistan" movement from the north-eastern state of Punjab was also growing in popularity in response to "Sikh persecution", and have also begun responding with terrorist attacks. I also saw a political speech by striking worker in Uttar Pradesh. Here, I saw representatives of the Indian socialist movement speaking out against the systematic poverty that reigns across the nation, and the repression of venacular tongues in favor of English, "the imperialist tongue." The potential of such groups to achieve much was very clear to me.

The next day, I took a general tour of the city. The driver kept describing various buidlings, famed hotels, other luxurious landmarks. However, I instead was focused on the poverty. The people here live in such abstract poverty, it is astounding. It did live up to its reputation of the "beating heart of capitalism". I saw many well-dressed Indian walking the streets with their modern gadgets and the like, along side poor Indians who came to the car door, begging for food, wearing scruffy, dusty clothing. The modern skyscrapers contrasted with the road, which was poorly maintained, and the graffiti laden walls. Some of the buildings were somewhere around 30 to 40 years old, according to my guide. Apparently, the local government had little money to maintain or renew many buildings. He also admitted that the social safety net that capitalist nations like the Anglo-French Union had was ill-equipped to deal with the number of people in poverty. He said that there were many factors to this, including the caste system, which keeps certain people in occupations, and the capitalist wages, which barely keep people in decent living conditions It was at that moment when I saw the disease slowly eating away at the so-called "Heart of Capital". The systematic poverty that prevedes every city as I later learned from my travels, the feverent ethnic nationalism, the large wealth gap, which favors the rich, and the aging infrastructure are just symptoms of the rampant capitalism that has dominated this nation since the 1980's. However, if, as some predict, India becomes the leader of the Capitalist world after the inevitable fall of the FBU, these problems will actually increase greatly, eventually exposing themselves, and India might find itself in the same fate as all capitalist nations.

Outside of the loathesomely decadent landmarks, I really wanted to visit the Mumba Devi Temple, from which the city initially derived its name. As I walked through the temple, with its various depictions of Hindu gods and various events from the Hindu epics, I came to admire the architectural talent that the ancient Indians had, and the morals of their stories. That of peace and understanding, but with sometimes devotion and fight to preserve that fate. I wondered if such a violent fate as revolution was truly India's destiny. After all, the Indian scriptures seemed to emphasize peace and forgiveness. Perhaps a movement might one day take the elections, and perhaps take the nation to socialism, and finally fix the problems that lie within its heart.

Once again, this is based off of my own experiences.
 
Regarding travel magazines,i wonder National Geographic's fate ITTL.
I actually considered making this a Nat Geo article, but they tend to focus more on rural or natural areas, which doesn't fit the urban setting. Plus, they're generally apolitical, and I wanted the narrator to make socialist commentary.

Since the National Geographic Society is apolitical, and not really bourgeois, it most likely survived the revolution unscathed, and continues to publish its magazine. Maybe the government will use more detailed Nat Geo maps during the war to plan out raids and bombings.
 
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