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[WotanArgead]

Anyone have any opinions on what's likely to happen in Afghanistan?

So far I'm of the opinion that the Comintern at first just replaces the King with a pro-comintern one so that they don't have to commit any troops to occupying it in Afghanistan's brief entry into the war for the Axis, but may push more radical change in later decades.

Until the 1970s, it is more likely that what we call the "Left-Nationalist Government" (nationalist dictatorship + social-democratic policy), maybe with a touch of moderate Islamism (as we say in European conservative parties - non-religious, but respecting traditions). Alas, but there are feudal orders reigning and this country is poor in resources, so for the time being it will have to be delayed with socialism (although cities like Kabul will be inclined to modernization).
In the 70s, modernization and radicalization of consciousness took place. OTL - progressive nationalists came to power. I think that the Moderate Socialists will come to power, striving to reduce national tension. But here there will be two fronts of dissatisfied - radicals (Trotskyites, Left Communists, non-Pashtun nationalists), and paleo-conservatives (Pashtun nationalists, Islamic fundamentalists).

 

[Bulldoggus]

Anyone have any opinions on what's likely to happen in Afghanistan?

So far I'm of the opinion that the Comintern at first just replaces the King with a pro-comintern one so that they don't have to commit any troops to occupying it in Afghanistan's brief entry into the war for the Axis, but may push more radical change in later decades.

Doesn't really matter what color the central government there is, the tribes will do what they please, as they always have.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

Doesn't really matter what color the central government there is, the tribes will do what they please, as they always have.

Yeah, not really much you can do with that. If the Comintern invades to try to start a revolution we'll just see a similar situation to the Afghan Insurgency against the Soviets. What the tribes want, the tribes want.

 

[Bookmark1995]

Yeah, not really much you can do with that. If the Comintern invades to try to start a revolution we'll just see a similar situation to the Afghan Insurgency against the Soviets. What the tribes want, the tribes want.

But what if Comintern throws them bones, like education, as the carrot.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

But what if Comintern throws them bones, like education, as the carrot.

They already threw them education in OTL.

They also threw them equal rights for women.

As well as universal healthcare and land reform.

The tribes still kicked the Soviets out.

 

[Bulldoggus]

But what if Comintern throws them bones, like education, as the carrot.

They already have religious education, and they internally teach the skills they need to live the way their people have lived for centuries. You think they will give a damn about the opportunity to read some Marx or Shakespeare? The tribes already have everything they need, more or less. They care protecting their sovereignty.

They already threw them education in OTL.

They also threw them equal rights for women.

As well as universal healthcare and land reform.

The tribes still kicked the Soviets out.

Really, too many make the error of seeing Afghanistan as a country instead of a Kabul-based city state that has nominal sovereignty over a tribal, mountainous area.

 

[Bulldoggus]

Bill and Hillary are far enough into the future that they're likely to be rather different. Hillary was born in Chicago which is is the perhaps the most thoroughly red city in the entire Union. It was the capital of the provisional government during the civil war, it's an autonomous commune now, and its an important hub of America. So slay kween will probably make OTL Bernie Sanders look like a fucking objectivist.

Hillary is almost certainly a mid-level bureaucrat or diplomat. Since she's 70, she's likely either retired or winding down her career. Probably diligent and mildly talented, but blinkered and lacking in vision.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

Hillary is almost certainly a mid-level bureaucrat or diplomat. Since she's 70, she's likely either retired or winding down her career. Probably diligent and mildly talented, but blinkered and lacking in vision.

So TTL if I'm American ill still hate her since I have nothing for contempt for paper pushers and bureaucrats.

 

[Bulldoggus]

So TTL if I'm American ill still hate her since I have nothing for contempt for paper pushers and bureaucrats.

My stance is that they tend to be fairly useful.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

My stance is that they tend to be fairly useful.

Useful, but a thorne in all our sides.

Granted, I'm ADHD as shit so it makes sense why I wouldn't enjoy the position much.
That and the people that take them don't seem to be very respectable individuals.

 

[The_Red_Star_Rising]

Doesn't really matter what color the central government there is, the tribes will do what they please, as they always have.

I'm considering penciling in a conflict in Afghanistan as the USSR and UASR's rough equivalent to the Vietnam war in terms of getting into a seemingly unwinnable quagmire that they eventually have to pull from and watch all the blood and treasure they spent on the war go to waste.

Bolivia's another possibility.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

I'm considering penciling in a conflict in Afghanistan as the USSR and UASR's rough equivalent to the Vietnam war in terms of getting into a seemingly unwinnable quagmire that they eventually have to pull from and watch all the blood and treasure they spent on the war go to waste.

Bolivia's another possibility.

Green light, Maverick. Take Goose with you and complete that objective.


Ignore my Top Gun mania. That sounds like a good idea.

 

[WotanArgead]

I'm considering penciling in a conflict in Afghanistan as the USSR and UASR's rough equivalent to the Vietnam war in terms of getting into a seemingly unwinnable quagmire that they eventually have to pull from and watch all the blood and treasure they spent on the war go to waste.

Bolivia's another possibility.

 

[The_Red_Star_Rising]

Some revolutions are just going to fail; whether they fail at step one or get destroyed by reaction after attempting to establish a proleterian state; for one reason or another.

 

[WotanArgead]

Some revolutions are just going to fail; whether they fail at step one or get destroyed by reaction after attempting to establish a proleterian state; for one reason or another.

Can you imagine what an Afghan reaction is? The Taliban!

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

Can you imagine what an Afghan reaction is? The Taliban!

There might be a Kabul Based Socialist Commune if the Americans and Soviets are at least somewhat successful. But there's no way in hell that the mountain tribes will go for Capitalism or Communism. They already have what they want, and when a group of Yankee-Slavic invaders march into their homeland and demand they surrender their independence to become part of a society that follows an ideology that, to the tribesmen, sound like the ramblings of a crazed heretic, problems will ensue.

They don't care about modern ideology. They care about protecting their homeland and their way of life, and they will gladly kill and die in great numbers to ensure that their ideal status quo remains constant, as proven in OTL.

 

[Bulldoggus]

I'm considering penciling in a conflict in Afghanistan as the USSR and UASR's rough equivalent to the Vietnam war in terms of getting into a seemingly unwinnable quagmire that they eventually have to pull from and watch all the blood and treasure they spent on the war go to waste.

Bolivia's another possibility.

A pity The Congressman already used a psychotic neo-Inca terrorist group. That would own. But Bolivia definitely has the ability to become a North Korea-type nuthouse.

Some revolutions are just going to fail; whether they fail at step one or get destroyed by reaction after attempting to establish a proleterian state; for one reason or another.

Honestly, Afghanistan is revolution-proof. Having a coherent state there in the first place is, thanks to geography, totally impossible. Also, I think there is a chance in certain areas, the majority become disillusioned with the revolution and turn their backs on it. I think it would be worthwhile, add moral complexity, and prevent the TL from being a wank.

 

[Bulldoggus]

Useful, but a thorne in all our sides.

Granted, I'm ADHD as shit so it makes sense why I wouldn't enjoy the position much.
That and the people that take them don't seem to be very respectable individuals.

Yeah. I suppose I understand, but my ideology is one that strongly supports cushy, useless make-work jobs.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

A pity The Congressman already used a psychotic neo-Inca terrorist group. That would own. But Bolivia definitely has the ability to become a North Korea-type nuthouse.

Honestly, Afghanistan is revolution-proof. Having a coherent state there in the first place is, thanks to geography, totally impossible. Also, I think there is a chance in certain areas, the majority become disillusioned with the revolution and turn their backs on it. I think it would be worthwhile, add moral complexity, and prevent the TL from being a wank.

Well, I think that Kabul has a chance of becoming a successful autonomous Commune. But the rest of Afghanistan is basically Badlands filled with people who live in another millennium.

 

[Bulldoggus]

Well, I think that Kabul has a chance of becoming a successful autonomous Commune. But the rest of Afghanistan is basically Badlands filled with people who live in another millennium.

More or less. And if the Commies go in to help Kabul control the rest of the country, then the tribes will destroy Kabul as a warning to the next guy who tries to bother them.