Bulldoggus
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Broadway is not a cheap pursuit. I could see free theater, subsidized by the Art Department, becoming huge tho.
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Privilege (1967)
Directed by Michael Vincent
Written by Michael Vincent, Marcio Somsak, Rafe Heitor
Duration 1 Hour 30 Minutes
With the controversy over The War Game (1965) Michael Vincent would take a completely different direction from his previous films. Taking the idea from a 1963 Dutch documentary of pop singer Elian and the growing hysteria surrounding the teen idol, with some scenes being almost one-to-one reproductions of the earlier work. Showing the growing power of corporate and government power in the post-war world and how corporatism could be sold to the population.
Synopsis
Davy Chandler (Nik Alexandros)[1] is the ultimate British music star. His music is listened to by everyone from pre-teens to grandparents. He has no trace of public bad habits or drug involvement. Everyone in Britain loves him. His handlers begin to use his popularity for projects like increasing the consumption of apples after a bumper crop as an aid to farmers. The handlers decide that Davy should support God and Country next. This leads to, among other things, a rock version of "Onward Christian Soldiers," and the inclusion of a Nazi salute to make it clear (to the viewer) how far the British population will be taken for love of God and Country under Davy's guidance. Davy is very plastic in his direction, shifting as his handlers point him toward new projects until he meets Marielle Alisia, an artist who makes him look at what's happening. Eventually Davy is conflicted between the manufactured image and the real person underneath leading to a mental breakdown at an award ceremony. After this his image and music are erased by the government with only a soundless commercial outtake remaining.
Style
Similar to The War Game the camera follows Davy, his staff of handlers and Marielle throughout the movie. The film uses indirect colour lighting, a mobile camera, and - again - interviews to camera. Additional scenes (e.g., in a nightclub, with Davy’s manager Uncle James presenting his protégé with a framed portrait of his wife), and a number of the interviews were inspired by Elian documentary.
Of his intent, Michael Vincent said: "Many people became more and more concerned about the post-war world and the rising tide of nationalism in the Union. While many were convinced the situation in pre-war Germany or Italy could not happen here Marcio and Rafe started the story with the premise of could corporatism could be sold to the public? How would it be sold? Who would be selling it? The idea of popular music came to us while researching pre-war Germany and how the National Socialists used mass media to create and enforce consent. Instead of culture of rebellion it would be a culture of conformity. Instead of leaders in black or brown shirts it would be men in tailored suits armed with university degrees and market research data." Similar films modeled after Privilege would be made in India (Visheshaadhikaar, 1977) and Nigeria (Superstar, 1990)[2] using film stars instead of musicians as the 'heroes'.
The Nasty Cinema Guide, Hexagon Publishing, 2001
[1]All names are fictional.
[2]Both fictional movies
http://pwatkins.mnsi.net/privilege.htm. Peter Watkins thoughts on Privilege
Directed by Michael Vincent
Written by Michael Vincent, Marcio Somsak, Rafe Heitor
Duration 1 Hour 30 Minutes
With the controversy over The War Game (1965) Michael Vincent would take a completely different direction from his previous films. Taking the idea from a 1963 Dutch documentary of pop singer Elian and the growing hysteria surrounding the teen idol, with some scenes being almost one-to-one reproductions of the earlier work. Showing the growing power of corporate and government power in the post-war world and how corporatism could be sold to the population.
Synopsis
Davy Chandler (Nik Alexandros)[1] is the ultimate British music star. His music is listened to by everyone from pre-teens to grandparents. He has no trace of public bad habits or drug involvement. Everyone in Britain loves him. His handlers begin to use his popularity for projects like increasing the consumption of apples after a bumper crop as an aid to farmers. The handlers decide that Davy should support God and Country next. This leads to, among other things, a rock version of "Onward Christian Soldiers," and the inclusion of a Nazi salute to make it clear (to the viewer) how far the British population will be taken for love of God and Country under Davy's guidance. Davy is very plastic in his direction, shifting as his handlers point him toward new projects until he meets Marielle Alisia, an artist who makes him look at what's happening. Eventually Davy is conflicted between the manufactured image and the real person underneath leading to a mental breakdown at an award ceremony. After this his image and music are erased by the government with only a soundless commercial outtake remaining.
Style
Similar to The War Game the camera follows Davy, his staff of handlers and Marielle throughout the movie. The film uses indirect colour lighting, a mobile camera, and - again - interviews to camera. Additional scenes (e.g., in a nightclub, with Davy’s manager Uncle James presenting his protégé with a framed portrait of his wife), and a number of the interviews were inspired by Elian documentary.
Of his intent, Michael Vincent said: "Many people became more and more concerned about the post-war world and the rising tide of nationalism in the Union. While many were convinced the situation in pre-war Germany or Italy could not happen here Marcio and Rafe started the story with the premise of could corporatism could be sold to the public? How would it be sold? Who would be selling it? The idea of popular music came to us while researching pre-war Germany and how the National Socialists used mass media to create and enforce consent. Instead of culture of rebellion it would be a culture of conformity. Instead of leaders in black or brown shirts it would be men in tailored suits armed with university degrees and market research data." Similar films modeled after Privilege would be made in India (Visheshaadhikaar, 1977) and Nigeria (Superstar, 1990)[2] using film stars instead of musicians as the 'heroes'.
The Nasty Cinema Guide, Hexagon Publishing, 2001
[1]All names are fictional.
[2]Both fictional movies
http://pwatkins.mnsi.net/privilege.htm. Peter Watkins thoughts on Privilege
Guys, I did not consider something - Rose is alive! But in the CPG her scouts are a minority .... start from the beginning. It is necessary to forget about personalities and focus only on the historical situation - "The cult of personality" is hindered by many.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
You know, I hope Chef Gordon Ramsey will still become popular in ITTL America.
Hey You, FuckFace! It's FUCKING RAW! It's as Red as your Flag you Communist Fuck! Get the fuck out!!!!!!
Hey You, FuckFace! It's FUCKING RAW! It's as Red as your Flag you Communist Fuck! Get the fuck out!!!!!!
Gordon Ramsay is calm, reserved and measured when he's being himself for British audiences. The Angry Video Game Nerd of food thing is an act for American audiences.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
I know that. Hells Kitchen is all an act.
Still funny as fucking shit though.
Anger+Vulgarity+Criticism=Instant comedy is a timeless formula.
Tragedy is when I cut my finger.
Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.
Other people's misery is hilarious.
Alexander was quoting Mel Brooks who explained that the difference in comedy and tragedy is A. the magnitude of suffering and B. who is suffering. When you suffer it's horrible. When other people suffer and particularly in ridiculous over the top ways it's hilarious.
I was explaining that the caustic critic who gets extremely angry at badly made products is also an age old and timeless recipe for comedy. Because watching them get mad at somebody making a movie, game, or meal badly is hilarious through the mel brooks principle of comedy.
Also it's why Comedy protagonists have a high tendency to be unlikable jerks and idiots. If you sympathize with them, watching them suffer is painful. But if you're already rooting for them to get kicked in the nuts watching them suffer is hilarious and cathartic.
I was explaining that the caustic critic who gets extremely angry at badly made products is also an age old and timeless recipe for comedy. Because watching them get mad at somebody making a movie, game, or meal badly is hilarious through the mel brooks principle of comedy.
Also it's why Comedy protagonists have a high tendency to be unlikable jerks and idiots. If you sympathize with them, watching them suffer is painful. But if you're already rooting for them to get kicked in the nuts watching them suffer is hilarious and cathartic.
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Redshank Galloglass
Banned
Interesting that we mention Mel Brooks, he makes some of my favorite Comedies ever. Young Frankenstein, anybody?
Sigh sadly I'm not sure if Blazing Saddles will be made ITTL...
Sigh sadly I'm not sure if Blazing Saddles will be made ITTL...
But the racism that the movie sets out to mock and deconstruct probably won't exist, or at least nearly as strongly.
Fair enough. It could parody the other aspects of TTL westerns.
I'm more interested in witty phrases, references and wordplay. Laughing at other people's suffering .... and so people are constantly engaged in this. There is something to gloat arikrvtit and submit a hand !?
All three of those things have difficulty being translated out of their cultures and languages. Word play is especially hard to translate into other languages. Utilizing references also has a habit of dating a work immediately as those references can become awkward in the future or simply don't make sense anymore because the thing they reference fell out of public memory.
Meanwhile other people's pain can be translated across all cultures with ease. It's why the Road Runner cartoons have universal appeal despite not a single word being uttered, watching Wile E Coyote fail doesn't need a translator for an Arabic person, a Chinese person, or a French person to find it as funny as an American.
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It turns out it is called in Russian on the other. I'll know.
The phrase "If the enemy Attacks- Empire Strikes Back" understandable huge number of people.
But seriously ...
Have you ever seen such a situation - someone slipped and everyone around laugh? It seems that people are enjoying his suffering. It may seem that I read the moral, but ... this is a problem!
IMHO - in my opinion it is contrary to the principle of human life (which must prevail in communism), according to which the most valuable, and that requires constant development - people.
It's funny when it's someone who was a jerk through the entire production. It's called poetic justice. It's a staple of comedy since the concept of comedy was created. Shakespeare used this simple idea in his comedies. Looney Tunes used this to great effect.