Red Spies in the White House: An Alternate Cold War
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To be fair though that Brazil does have potential for a fix fic, like ISOTing it back to the beggining of the timeline to avoid all the shit going down, I like the idea
Not that I'll be working on that any time soon tho, my hands are already full as it is
But to stay on topic
I was talking with peeps on the thread Least Favorite Tropes of AH and I think I this will pretty much be what the US will be like ITTL once White is discovered:
Not that I'll be working on that any time soon tho, my hands are already full as it is
But to stay on topic
I was talking with peeps on the thread Least Favorite Tropes of AH and I think I this will pretty much be what the US will be like ITTL once White is discovered:
I like how the meeting had a mixture of conspiracy theorists and genuine investigators looking for proof.
Wow China's going to become communist fast.
You know I love the fact that I can't tell if the president is a communist or not.
White's genuine dream of a progressive America is sad as he will kill it.
By the way on the whole conspiracy against the Jewish communist thing, their is some more links for in universe conspiracy theories to use. For example Albert Kahn a Jewish industrial architect helped the USSR kickstart industrialization during their first five year plan, cause you know a job is a job but in the minds of people who think their behind communism as a whole yeah I can imagine them using him to to promote the idea the US was infiltrated over decades.
Edit you know given they already think pearl harbor was a White plot already.
Wow China's going to become communist fast.
You know I love the fact that I can't tell if the president is a communist or not.
White's genuine dream of a progressive America is sad as he will kill it.
By the way on the whole conspiracy against the Jewish communist thing, their is some more links for in universe conspiracy theories to use. For example Albert Kahn a Jewish industrial architect helped the USSR kickstart industrialization during their first five year plan, cause you know a job is a job but in the minds of people who think their behind communism as a whole yeah I can imagine them using him to to promote the idea the US was infiltrated over decades.
Edit you know given they already think pearl harbor was a White plot already.
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It's depressing to know that President White is doomed to be stuck with Midas Curse.
Everything that he touches and creates gets turned into "Communism" and will soon be removed and destroyed by the people that replace him.
Yep, whatever America that emerges after will be a nightmare to live if your not very lucky and privileged.
Honestly I would love to see the in-universe what ifs like if White wasnt a communist agent
Like then he wouldnt have given China or Eastern Europe to the communists and while I still see him being a hardliner against Japan & Germany perhaps the whole Mongenthau Plan could've avoided since it would be more pragmatical to not starve the germans in order to keep them from going red
And since his progressive beliefs seem to be really genuine they might have sticked if it turned out he wasnt a commie at all, plus kicking Hoover out of the FBI alone would have been wonderful
Like then he wouldnt have given China or Eastern Europe to the communists and while I still see him being a hardliner against Japan & Germany perhaps the whole Mongenthau Plan could've avoided since it would be more pragmatical to not starve the germans in order to keep them from going red
And since his progressive beliefs seem to be really genuine they might have sticked if it turned out he wasnt a commie at all, plus kicking Hoover out of the FBI alone would have been wonderful
Even with the America fully backing the Communists, i don't think Mao will be able to conquer Taiwan too.
One of the key reasons why OTL the PRC wasn't able to conquer the island in 1949 was because it simply had no navy
Also crossing my finger that the butterflies will result in Enlai becoming leaderof the PRC earlier than OTL. At least the country could avoid the insanity of Mao's reign
One of the key reasons why OTL the PRC wasn't able to conquer the island in 1949 was because it simply had no navy
Also crossing my finger that the butterflies will result in Enlai becoming leaderof the PRC earlier than OTL. At least the country could avoid the insanity of Mao's reign
On the other hand, I can easily see KMT dictatorship last to 2022 with ultra-reactionary US backing the regime.
There is always the odds that Communist China copies its experience on the successful Landing Operation on Hainan Island.
So expect the PRC to mobilise thousands of Junks and Civilian ships to conduct such an invasion.
Taiwan isn't going to get rescued by the US Intervention so China will be able to resupply its troops and not get blockaded, China will also have air superiority.
Also the expectation that Chiang Kai-shek can truly defend the island after having lost the mainland in just a spectacularly short time thanks to President White sabotaging his nation, while also having to deal with an earlier White Terror in Taiwan makes my opinion on the odds of the Republic of China surviving very low.
The only thing that can truly save them now is the weather, nor sure if there is a Chinese version of divine wind but Chiang Kai-shek better pray for one when the Communist begin landing.
1949 was truly the best time for the mainland to conquer Taiwan. If they win on Kinmen, it’s certainly possible to follow it up with a landing in Taiwan, even with their “navy”. It’s part of why the USN was sent to neutralize the strait in 1950. The KMT wasn’t really as prepared to fight then, and could’ve certainly lost.
Not saying it’s a hop, skip and a jump. But 1949 truly was the best time for Mao to go for Taiwan. And with the rapid collapse of the mainland and the American support for Mao, I feel the KMT would be even less prepared than they already were OTL. If Taiwan does repel a Chinese invasion, it’ll be pyrrhic, and they’ll lose Kinmen, and most likely Penghu as well.
I honestly think we may see a civil war in Italy at this point, considering how high the political tension was in OTL after WW2
Maybe this TL will give us one of my favorite alt Taiwan’s: the Italian government hiding out in Sicily, with the mainland under communist control. No idea how plausible that would be but god, it’s always interested me.
I think Sardinia is a more likely candidate as this TL's Taiwan, thanks to its distance from the mainland and the natives' very bad relationship with the rest of the planet
I think all of China can be reclaimed including Taiwan with enough help.
On the matte of Asia I feel the Japanese defeat will certainly open up a lot of opportunities to strengthen PRC and red Korea, for example sending plenty of Japanese trained Korean and Chinese ex soldiers and officers as prisoners' to the soviets while executing the ones that would go the to the ROC and other Korea. Likewise slowing down Western repatriation and making it bad process will and have the soviet one great.
Lot's of ways to stack the deck.
On the matte of Asia I feel the Japanese defeat will certainly open up a lot of opportunities to strengthen PRC and red Korea, for example sending plenty of Japanese trained Korean and Chinese ex soldiers and officers as prisoners' to the soviets while executing the ones that would go the to the ROC and other Korea. Likewise slowing down Western repatriation and making it bad process will and have the soviet one great.
Lot's of ways to stack the deck.
It reminds me of a Alt History YouTube video that had Italy split in half from a Red North and Blue South.
A consequence of this action would've likely allowed the Italian Monarchy to remain in Southern Italy, since the South voted to keep him OTL, although it wasn't discussed in that video.
The worse off Italy was...
Southern Italy as it becomes a failed, Mafia ruled and corrupted state, not helped by its awful geography.