Post-Doomsday pop culture

[Graham]

I can

If it takes century's to recover movies might be simply about history for the first generation or 2 because it has all the blue prints you need for a good movie (there must be at least 1 movie about WW2 each year) and for part of the population its educational for others its fun but the culture might push it as a matter of preservation because people may use history as a point of fascination with and the preservation of the old world but also prevent making the same mistakes by learning from history.

I can see that kind of thing happening. Certainly in the literary fiction written after WWII, many of the main action writers (e.g. Douglas Reeman/Alistair Maclean & I've read others) started off with material that was an attempt to deal with their wartime experiences.

I will also add that this would abort New Coke (Introduced in 1985), but Diet Coke came out in 1982 and that could have consequences. I only bring this up because one of the fan written scenario ideas for GDWs 'Twilight 2000' RPG setting (Which has WWIII start in 1990s) posited that in the post war recovery phase the team that the surviving Coke executives sent into Atlanta to retrieve the formula grabbed the wrong documents out of the safe and when Coke relaunched it was with New Coke, not the original formula, but because of the gap between the last bottles being made and the resumption of production everyone had forgotten what it tasted like. The scenario itself involved a hunt for the last surviving copy of Cokes original formula.

 

[Aisha Clan-Clan]

Probably no real pop culture in the modern sense. The modern world ended badly, so no reason to bring it back.

 

[Deleted member 82792]

I have a couple of young actresses who theoretically could have survived Doomsday, but I'm not sure about Selena Gomez or Ariana Grande

Israelie born actress and model Odeya Rush is considered to be one of the ANZC's most successful young stars, starring in hit blockbuster films such as Spooktacular Stories* and the more recent sci-fi TV series Outback Galaxy.**

*The ANZC equivalent of Goosebumps. Odeya played one of main characters in the 2015 film adaptation. It's basically similar to OTL: a Maori boy moves to a new town, meet a beautiful but mysterious girl next door, who's father happens to be a fictional version of the author of Spooktacular Stories. But when the monsters escape from the books, they have to save the town from Frankie, an evil ventriloquist dummy with the strong Australian accent.

**A sci-fi series set hundreds of years in the future that centres on a ANZC colony located on another planet. Odeya stands out as a LGBTQ character in a romantic relationship with one of the other female colonists (played by Hailee Steinfeld).

Born to a family of Americans who were fortunate enough to survive Doomsday, Hailee Steinfeld grew up in the associate state of Hawaii, before moving to the Gold Coast at the age of seven among the American community of New Miami. There she showed an interest in acting, where she starred in several theatre and TV productions, as well as commercials, before making her big break in the 2010 Australian blockbuster the Bushman's Daughter. Since then she has been on a meteoric rise in the entertainment industry, gaining roles in hit television productions such as Outback Galaxy and popular films such as Brisbane Bellas,* she has also blossomed as a world famous singer. After signing up with Eureka Records in 2014, she has sold a record breaking number of CDs across the world, eventually performing sold-out concerts in Adelaide, Niagara Falls, Sao Paulo, Dublin, Victoria and Toledo.

*TTL version of the Pitch Perfect movies.

(Inspired by @LouisTheGreyFox post here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...ay-tl-2016-2030.391690/page-123#post-19236710 )

 

[Gillan1220]

A 13 year gap from the POD would butterfly lots of things. Pre-Doomsday bands that survived would produce songs unrecognizable from our TL.

Steinfeld's existence comes into question since she was born in 1996. Her info in wiki says her maternal grandfather is from Panglao, Bohol, Philippines (frankly I was surprised) but we have no data to confirm where her parents were. Even if they survived and married as OTL (again very highly unlikely), the billion sperm theory would come to play. Ditto for Selena Gomez and Ariana Grande.

Even celebrities mentioned in @LouisTheGreyFox's born in after the POD in OTL would come into question but for the sake of his TL, I respect it.

 

[Deerwrecker2015]

A 13 year gap from the POD would butterfly lots of things. Pre-Doomsday bands that survived would produce songs unrecognizable from our TL.

Steinfeld's existence comes into question since she was born in 1996. Her info in wiki says her maternal grandfather is from Panglao, Bohol, Philippines (frankly I was surprised) but we have no data to confirm where her parents were. Even if they survived and married as OTL (again very highly unlikely), the billion sperm theory would come to play. Ditto for Selena Gomez and Ariana Grande.

Even celebrities mentioned in @LouisTheGreyFox's born in after the POD in OTL would come into question but for the sake of his TL, I respect it.

There would be real doubt regarding the possibility of any or all all of the OTL Celebrities that were born after the POD from OTL would still be born let alone conceived.

To be real honest some (The exact number will not be known) of the OTL Celebrities (Who were born after the POD from OTL) would not even exist at all.

 

[Gillan1220]

There would be real doubt regarding the possibility of any or all all of the OTL Celebrities that were born after the POD from OTL would still be born let alone conceived.

To be real honest some (The exact number will not be known) of the OTL Celebrities (Who were born after the POD from OTL) would not even exist at all.

And to quote the article regarding the butterfly effect on the wiki of AH . com:

"One important factor in that is that as soon as the Butterfly effect takes hold (varying on approach, see below), people now born will not be the same person as OTL (though they may have the same name), because even if the parents should still meet, the chance of the same sperm meeting the same egg is infinitesimal. This is also one of the points of controversy between the approaches, again see below."

The case of OTL celebrities such as Hailee Steinfeld, PewdiePie, JacksepticEye, or Lorde born decades after the POD coming out as the same person is this:
"...The third approach, to disregard the Butterfly Effect more or less exactly, or to have it affect or not affect the world at the author's arbitrary will, is as said pretty much discredited on the Forum, though very popular in professional literature."

 

[Aisha Clan-Clan]

Taking the butterfly effect that seriously means you can't do a timeline more than 5-10 years post-pod.

 

[creighton]

Taking the butterfly effect that seriously means you can't do a timeline more than 5-10 years post-pod.

Yep. My general gripe on this and 1983 doomsday fanfic is that folks are spectating what hot actresses still would be around when the actual, but less satisfactory answer, as supported by pretty much all peer reviewed writing is quick societal collapse followed by mass starvation.

 

[Aisha Clan-Clan]

Uh, I was pointing out that people shouldn't be taking it that seriously. Just look at the map threads or alot of less thought out timelines that add illogical divergences for the sake of difference/being random.

 

[Deerwrecker2015]

And to quote the article regarding the butterfly effect on the wiki of AH . com:

"One important factor in that is that as soon as the Butterfly effect takes hold (varying on approach, see below), people now born will not be the same person as OTL (though they may have the same name), because even if the parents should still meet, the chance of the same sperm meeting the same egg is infinitesimal. This is also one of the points of controversy between the approaches, again see below."

The case of OTL celebrities such as Hailee Steinfeld, PewdiePie, JacksepticEye, or Lorde born decades after the POD coming out as the same person is this:
"...The third approach, to disregard the Butterfly Effect more or less exactly, or to have it affect or not affect the world at the author's arbitrary will, is as said pretty much discredited on the Forum, though very popular in professional literature."

The best way to explain the facts is this.

The OTL Celebrities who might possibly never exist ITTL would be due to the result of these factors.

1. - Both of the Biological parents are killed when they get caught in one of the Nuclear Detonations or actually commit suicide before the detonations (There will unfortunately be ).
2. - Both of the Biological parents survive the Nuclear Detonations but get exposed to the ensuing fallout resulting in them either dying from Radiation Poisoning or would rendered completely unable to conceive Children
3. - Both of the Biological parents survive the Nuclear Detonations and successfully avoid the fallout but end up becoming victims of other unfortunate circumstances (Killed due to the lawlessness the occurs in the immediate aftermath, Die from either starvation and Malnutrition)
4. - The OTL Celebrity in question gets conceived but sadly Dies in the Womb (Stillbirth due to the effects of the Radiation or if the Mother was killed in one of the blasts or from the unfortunate circumstance mentioned in 3 before the individual could be born).
5. - Both of the Biological parents survive the Nuclear Detonations and successfully avoid the fallout, starvation and the lawlessness but likely never meet and have anything to do with each other.

There is no guarantee that the Hailee Steinfeld from TTL is from a Genetic point of view exactly the same Hailee Steinfeld from OTL. In the event that TTL's Hailee Steinfeld is not the same as the one from OTL should be considered purely coincidental and that would also apply in regards to Odeya Rush.

 

[Gillan1220]

The best way to explain the facts is this.

The OTL Celebrities who might possibly never exist ITTL would be due to the result of these factors.

1. - Both of the Biological parents are killed when they get caught in one of the Nuclear Detonations or actually commit suicide before the detonations (There will unfortunately be ).
2. - Both of the Biological parents survive the Nuclear Detonations but get exposed to the ensuing fallout resulting in them either dying from Radiation Poisoning or would rendered completely unable to conceive Children
3. - Both of the Biological parents survive the Nuclear Detonations and successfully avoid the fallout but end up becoming victims of other unfortunate circumstances (Killed due to the lawlessness the occurs in the immediate aftermath, Die from either starvation and Malnutrition)
4. - The OTL Celebrity in question gets conceived but sadly Dies in the Womb (Stillbirth due to the effects of the Radiation or if the Mother was killed in one of the blasts or from the unfortunate circumstance mentioned in 3 before the individual could be born).
5. - Both of the Biological parents survive the Nuclear Detonations and successfully avoid the fallout, starvation and the lawlessness but likely never meet and have anything to do with each other.

There is no guarantee that the Hailee Steinfeld from TTL is from a Genetic point of view exactly the same Hailee Steinfeld from OTL. In the event that TTL's Hailee Steinfeld is not the same as the one from OTL should be considered purely coincidental and that would also apply in regards to Odeya Rush.

Also 6. The billion sperm theory. Even if both biological parents met regardless of circumstances and let's say did it the same way as OTL, it would be a different sperm.

As for number 4. We got Mark Zuckerberg and Kim Jong-Un for that since they would not be born until 1984. Mark Zuckerberg dies in the womb as White Plains, New York is destroyed and while the Kim family does survive after knowledge of South Korea being hit by Soviet missiles and got the lead the U.S. was launching a nuke towards Pyongyang to evacuate before hand, the mother may have complications from stress or radiation poisoning (according to American records, Kim Jong-Un was born January 8, 1984)

 

[M79]

Why does the scene from the Postman movie come to mind where they focus not on action flicks or heavy sci-fi but more positive overtones like The Sound of Music?

 

[Ameroboto]

Well, for one thing, a lot of popular cartoons of OTL like The Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, Spongebob Squarepants, Samurai Jack, Gravity Falls, etc. are butterflied away either due to their creators getting killed during/after Doomsday or survived but they do something else instead.

 

[JenkinsJinkies]

This article actually lays out the challenge really well. It summarizes a short story about Charlottesville, VA riding out a nuclear war, and life afterward in the small city.

So that means Chris Chan would be a peasant farmer in this TL.

 

[Gillan1220]

Famous pre-Doomsday movies (1980-before September 25/26, 1983).

• Airplane!
• Death Wish 2
• E.T. the Extra Terrestrial
• The Final Countdown
• First Blood
• Jaws 3-D
• Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence
• Raiders of the Lost Ark
• Rocky III
• Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back
• Star Wars: Return of the Jedi
• Superman II
• WarGames

 

[melpax]

Australian shows such as Neighbours and Home & Away would still be produced in this timeline, and would still be massively popular in the UK & the US as well. The Australian Government would have shipped tapes over for viewing as a morale booster to show that not everywhere was nuked to the max, possibly in 'communal' viewing rooms in areas where TV broadcasting wasn't reinstated. Suburban Melbourne & Coastal New South Wales would seem as luxurious to bombed-out Brits & Americans as shows such as Dallas & Dynasty were pre-war.

Other shows such as 'Hey Hey It's Saturday' would also be massively popular as escapist entertainment, and Aussie Rules would finally obtain a massive international following as one of the few (semi)professional sporting codes still in existence.

Even though Sydney was hit, Melbourne was & still is an important TV & Film production centre, along with a large music scene. Given this, Melbourne would replace LA & Hollywood in terms of cultural influence.

 

[Gillan1220]

How is fashion in this TL? Will it follow OTL where the 2000s has seen low-rise jeans and emo pop culture? And by the 2010s, we'd see the Justin Bieber-type of haircut among teens and skinny jeans? I'm curious if the fashion by 2019 is still 1980s or at least OTL 1990s level.

 

[Peg Leg Pom]

Fashion, such as it exists may well look to the past, to a lost golden age of peoples imagination. Perhaps to the fifties and sixties America as seen in old films.

 

[Pauh the federalist]

How is fashion in this TL? Will it follow OTL where the 2000s has seen low-rise jeans and emo pop culture? And by the 2010s, we'd see the Justin Bieber-type of haircut among teens and skinny jeans? I'm curious if the fashion by 2019 is still 1980s or at least OTL 1990s level.

I have heard the argument that generational culture only really evolves when people have the money to support the purchase and inturn grow the cultral trends. This was explained as the reason for why there was an explosion of generational culture in the 1920s the 1960s and the 1980's. Inversely crisis can slow this growth (think of how the 1930s saw almost no cultural advancement due to the depression or how the 1970s largely inherited the culture of the 1960s with the only real significant cultural icon of the generation being disco.) Every generation usually has something to call there own, some just see more change than others according to this theory in the case of economic abundance. So to the main point, for many years after the bomb, culture would change almost exclusively on a local or regional level before ramping up to eventually return to generation-wide changes as buying power increases so until this happens you will likely have isolated mutations of 1980's culture (if this is when the bombs dropped) all developing more or less independently of each other and if left alone long enough becoming their own thing Other factors that tied in generations was everyone consuming the same media (think the radio or tv) so until modern society starts coming back online think of how slow cultural change was before a global economy that could support mass buying power like the medieval ages or even as recently as the late 1800s.

 

[marathag]

Fallout would be a real thing, and it wouldn't be over with for decades

So fashion, as that wouldn't be stoped by a massive nuclear exchange, would go towards outside wear that would be capes and MOPP suits

(and with rubber gloves, you prepper posers)

to a Steampunk vibe

Yeah, so looking good with the skin coverings and filters would get thier own look, from somber to colorful