Paul Verhoeven Adapts "The Forever War"

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by MerryPrankster, Jun 4, 2013.

  1. MerryPrankster Well-Known Member

    Jan 10, 2004
    Paul Verhoeven picked up the novel "Starship Troopers" but didn't finish it, saying he didn't like it.

    (Apparently he remembers Dutch civilians killed by Allied bombers attacking German positions in the occupied Netherlands, so he's prone to moral-equivalency games.)

    However, what if he'd read "The Forever War" and decided to adapt that into an anti-war military SF movie? The overall message of the novel seems more akin to Verhoeven's worldview and he's not going PO masses of ST fans. And although I think ST is a better novel over, TFW has better characterization, so it'd probably work out rather nicely.
  2. Evan Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness!

    Oct 13, 2010
    Quiet Resistance, People's Republic of Cascadia
    I've been wondering this too. Having read both novels, The Forever War seems much, much more in-line with his themes.

    However, what about the institutionalized homosexuality that's an important part of the novel? I'm guessing Verhoeven wouldn't mind that, but how open would Hollywood be in the late '90's? Would that perhaps give rise to arguments and bitterness between Verhoeven and the community which might even delay or scuttle the film? And if he does delete that, what other marks of social change would he put in its place?
  3. CalBear Your Ursus arctos californicus Moderator Moderator Donor

    Oct 4, 2005
    The idea of this makes me want to throw up.
  4. Evan Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness!

    Oct 13, 2010
    Quiet Resistance, People's Republic of Cascadia
    Even more so than the OTL movie, which desecrates the name of a good book?
  5. Prospero Well-Known Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    He certainly couldn't do a worse job than he did with Starship Troopers, but I'm not sure that Verhoeven has got what it takes to do justice to The Forever War. You need a director who's really good at characterisation, manipulating the audience's feelings, inducing increasing levels of paranoia and dislocation etc. More film noir than action/adventure. I'm sure there's a director out there who could do a really good job of it, but I don't think Verhoeven's subtle enough.
  6. vultan Defying Gravity

    Dec 12, 2008
    Somewhere Only We Know
    He could use the reversed positions of heterosexuals and homosexuals to make an allegory about homophobia.
  7. TxCoatl1970 Well-Known Member

    Oct 26, 2009
    I've always wanted to see The Forever War adapted to film.
    Give Joe Haldeman his due, he wanted to spin out the idea of war as social engineering tool to a fare-thee-well.
    Could Paul Verhoeven pull it off in a two-hour movie?
    He's got the visual chops and warped sense of humor.

    My sources say no. A miniseries of Joe Mandella, Marygay Potter & friends going through training and various stages of the war is more tasty and immersive and would give PV, the writers actors, and techies room to breathe rather than be a bunch of montages with a few black-humored punch-lines.

    YMMDV on it but my 2c on it.
  8. duckie Well-Known Member

    Nov 28, 2012
    Think BIGGG!!!!!!!

    Hi Guys, Why just a 2 hrs movie.

    HBO should do this book like Band of Brothers / Pacific. That would do justice to this classic

    Wim Goossen
    the netherlands
  9. Sam R. Well-Known Member

    May 11, 2011
    Too much drive to do "Justice" to a favoured novel here. Not enough acceptance that film is a radically different media with its own purposes. Also not enough, though I do value the contributions bucking this, speculation within the historical limits of cinema production in Hollywood.

    Sam R.
  10. volantredx Well-Known Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    This would do away with one of the best anti-war films ever made though.
  11. Michel Van Well-Known Member

    Jul 11, 2007
    Liege Belgium Europe
    The problem Paul Verhoeven had with book of Robert Heinlein was simple: It's glorified War and Soldiers
    and Verhoeven way to deal with this was same way as in Robocop: satire

    he made form the heroic Earth military force a bunch of SS troopers...

    Something that the US fans of Heinlein and his work never forgive.
    In Europe had Movie allot positive review, erroneous believing that movie is a spoof on US military industrial Complex.

    Now had Paul Verhoeven read the Graphic novel of the Forever War things would have be different !
    Irony this version of "The Forever War" is made by Haldeman and the artis Marvano and was publish in Netherlands and France synchronous.
    I think that Paul Verhoeven had understand this story Irony much better, like Mandella increasing problem with his heterosexuality in a society that is based on Homosexuality!
    he would be in his element like in Robocop or Total Recall, much more as in "Starship Troopers"
  12. Mr.J Well-Known Member

    Dec 12, 2010
    Like some sort of crazy funhouse-mirror of Generation Kill. Man, you're totally right, HBO needs to get on this!