NomadicSky
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What if the civil war never happend no state ever left this country.
How diffrent would the south be?
How diffrent would the south be?
No U.S. civil war
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No civil war because the Union doesn't fight? It was really close to not having a war. The Union could have called a dissolution convention and then the Confederate Constitutional Convention would have been rendered irrelevant. The same states would have gone off as the Confederacy as in OTL without a war.
What are the secession conspirators going to do? Fire on Ft. Sumter with the Union voting on whether they even want to fight in the first place? And the worst that can happen is they have to have an unrigged Confederate Constitutional Convention?
So the new Confederate Constitution winds up with an explicit secession clause. The states can leave the Confederacy and rejoin the Union whenever they want. No explicit secession clause and the secession vote fails.
Which is a neat little problem for the Confederate government. They can't screw over the common people of a state too much or they will have an accession convention and the Union will acknowledge them as a state and what is the Confederacy going to do about it? And if the Confederate establishment can't screw over the common people, what is the purpose of the Confederacy?
I figure that as the Union kept increasing in population the relative strengths of the two would keep diverging. The Union would have kept gaining immigrants just like before.
The Confederate government could have abolished tariffs and forced the Union government to reduce tariffs too, or face smuggling, but the Union government could have just allowed slaves to run a hundred feet over the border to the Union and be free. Or a hundred miles. It would have been easy without a fugitive slave law in the Union.
So the slave states would have lost their slaves one by one until they rejoined the Union because they didn't have any slaves left, anyway. Then the next state starts losing slaves, and the next, etc.
You know, that would really have been the ideal solution. Only the slave owners in the Confederacy and the factory owners in the Union would have lost. The common people of the Union and the common people of the Confederacy would have been just fine.
No million dead, no huge tariffs to pay for the war, no lingering hatred except by the slave owners and factory owners who only would have been mad at each other, anyway.
If ony the Confederate Constitution had had an explicit secession clause.
What are the secession conspirators going to do? Fire on Ft. Sumter with the Union voting on whether they even want to fight in the first place? And the worst that can happen is they have to have an unrigged Confederate Constitutional Convention?
So the new Confederate Constitution winds up with an explicit secession clause. The states can leave the Confederacy and rejoin the Union whenever they want. No explicit secession clause and the secession vote fails.
Which is a neat little problem for the Confederate government. They can't screw over the common people of a state too much or they will have an accession convention and the Union will acknowledge them as a state and what is the Confederacy going to do about it? And if the Confederate establishment can't screw over the common people, what is the purpose of the Confederacy?
I figure that as the Union kept increasing in population the relative strengths of the two would keep diverging. The Union would have kept gaining immigrants just like before.
The Confederate government could have abolished tariffs and forced the Union government to reduce tariffs too, or face smuggling, but the Union government could have just allowed slaves to run a hundred feet over the border to the Union and be free. Or a hundred miles. It would have been easy without a fugitive slave law in the Union.
So the slave states would have lost their slaves one by one until they rejoined the Union because they didn't have any slaves left, anyway. Then the next state starts losing slaves, and the next, etc.
You know, that would really have been the ideal solution. Only the slave owners in the Confederacy and the factory owners in the Union would have lost. The common people of the Union and the common people of the Confederacy would have been just fine.
No million dead, no huge tariffs to pay for the war, no lingering hatred except by the slave owners and factory owners who only would have been mad at each other, anyway.
If ony the Confederate Constitution had had an explicit secession clause.
How about "Cotton is never introduced"
And therefore, without the economic impetus for slavery, it dies out by 1810. With no slavery and no SOuthern "Plantations", the South is forced into a different kind of agriculture and developes along more "Northern" lines, with more industry. The South might become poorer, perhaps more like Mexico, but without a lucrative cash crop like Cotton, driving the entire economy, the reasons for perpetuation of slavery deminish and ultimately dissapear, hence, no civil war.
And therefore, without the economic impetus for slavery, it dies out by 1810. With no slavery and no SOuthern "Plantations", the South is forced into a different kind of agriculture and developes along more "Northern" lines, with more industry. The South might become poorer, perhaps more like Mexico, but without a lucrative cash crop like Cotton, driving the entire economy, the reasons for perpetuation of slavery deminish and ultimately dissapear, hence, no civil war.
Would there even be a Lincoln withouth a civil war? Or to say it differently, if the shape of things to come would have turned out differently than in OTL, would there be the need for a President Lincoln?