Monarchism in the Americas

[jycee]

Open question: if somehow the Agustin de Iturbide manages to hold on to the Mexican crown, firmly establishing a “House of Iturbide”. How much would monarchism spread across the rest of the Americas? We can assume Brazil also keeps their own. Would Mexico and Brazil be the odd ones out? Or where there other monarchist movements in the rest of Latin America that might gain momentum in such a scenario?

These could be either military monarchies like Mexico with a new house or exiled / relocated monarchies like Brazil. Was there ever such movements in Peru or Argentina?

 

[Sardar]

Open question: if somehow the Agustin de Iturbide manages to hold on to the Mexican crown, firmly establishing a “House of Iturbide”. How much would monarchism spread across the rest of the Americas? We can assume Brazil also keeps their own. Would Mexico and Brazil be the odd ones out? Or where there other monarchist movements in the rest of Latin America that might gain momentum in such a scenario?

These could be either military monarchies like Mexico with a new house or exiled / relocated monarchies like Brazil. Was there ever such movements in Peru or Argentina?

Peru was very Royalist, Argentina not so much.

 

[Aghasverov]

Peru was very Royalist, Argentina not so much.

Seems like I read there was a good bit of Royalist sentiment in Chile as well, especially among the native peoples... I remember someone on Chiloe once opined that "everything was better when we had a King", and implied that things had gone to hell with a republic...

 

[LordMartinax]

These could be either military monarchies like Mexico with a new house or exiled / relocated monarchies like Brazil. Was there ever such movements in Peru or Argentina?

Certainly. Some of the most prominent figures of the independence wars, including Manuel Belgramo and San Martín, were quite in favour of a monarchy. San Martín himself was supported by many as either a king of Peru or Argentine, though he refused such offers.

Belgramo seems to have originally hoped for retaining at least some ties with Spain, hoping that a member of the Spanish royal family could be a king of independant Argentine, a proposal immediatly rejected in Madrid.

There was also the Inca plan, which is frankly a somewhat ridiculously sounding idea, of creating a united monarchy of Peru and Argentine, under an Inca nobleman. The idea found quite a lot of support in Peru, but it was disliked by Buenos Aires, as it would move the centre of power quite northwards. Also, after a brief wiki search, it seems that the Argentinian counter-proposal was a Buenos Aires centered monarchy under a member of the Spanish royal family, then living in Brazil, who was however convinced to refuse by relatives. They then switched to supporting a French aristocrat (trying for the Duke of Orleans), and then the prince of Lucca! Mostly because the strongman in Argentine disliked the idea of a ruling Inca. When these proposals failed (often due to refusal of the possible monarchs) only then were republics enacted.

So yeah, with some better luck for the monarchists, South America could have been full of monarchies. Though whether they would stand the test of time is a whole another thing. Hell, perhaps a Peru based Inca monarchy could have been created, if the locals broke with Buenos Aires early on

 

[Sardar]

You could very well have Peru remain Spanish even, getting it to be a monarchy.

 

[Analytical Engine]

The Aranda Plan was to have minor members of the Spanish royal family installed as monarchs of the various colonies:

AHC/WI: The Aranda Plan/Chateaubriand's Idea Succeeds

I would like to pose a challenge of making the Count of Aranda's plan of a Spanish Federated Empire (proposed to D. Carlos III after the ARW) succeed. Aranda had a perfectly well-founded argument for this in that, in a report he sent to Carlos, he informed him that the fledgling USA would...

www.alternatehistory.com

 

[Crazy Boris]

Certainly. Some of the most prominent figures of the independence wars, including Manuel Belgramo and San Martín, were quite in favour of a monarchy. San Martín himself was supported by many as either a king of Peru or Argentine, though he refused such offers.

Belgramo seems to have originally hoped for retaining at least some ties with Spain, hoping that a member of the Spanish royal family could be a king of independant Argentine, a proposal immediatly rejected in Madrid.

There was also the Inca plan, which is frankly a somewhat ridiculously sounding idea, of creating a united monarchy of Peru and Argentine, under an Inca nobleman. The idea found quite a lot of support in Peru, but it was disliked by Buenos Aires, as it would move the centre of power quite northwards. Also, after a brief wiki search, it seems that the Argentinian counter-proposal was a Buenos Aires centered monarchy under a member of the Spanish royal family, then living in Brazil, who was however convinced to refuse by relatives. They then switched to supporting a French aristocrat (trying for the Duke of Orleans), and then the prince of Lucca! Mostly because the strongman in Argentine disliked the idea of a ruling Inca. When these proposals failed (often due to refusal of the possible monarchs) only then were republics enacted.

So yeah, with some better luck for the monarchists, South America could have been full of monarchies. Though whether they would stand the test of time is a whole another thing. Hell, perhaps a Peru based Inca monarchy could have been created, if the locals broke with Buenos Aires early on

Were there still Inca noble lines around by the 1800s? I would have assumed they’d have faded into obscurity by then.

 

[jycee]

Certainly. Some of the most prominent figures of the independence wars, including Manuel Belgramo and San Martín, were quite in favour of a monarchy. San Martín himself was supported by many as either a king of Peru or Argentine, though he refused such offers.

I had heared of the offer to San Martin, but have never found a good source, do you have one?
Also, if Agustin de Iturbide succeeds in keeping his throne, what are the chances this would incentivize San Martin to accept the Argentine or Peruvian crown?