Map Thread XXII
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Lovely! Although Germany taking Britain's role, including Brexit? (Deaussteigen?) That seems a bit of a stretch, geographically speaking. But I suppose plausibility isn't the main point here...
I don't remember if I ever posted this, but I finally got around to finishing adding the title, which sounds simple but given that it uses not only a constructed language, but another language that evolved differently than OTL, not quite so simple.
I'll include the full write-up in spoilers, but the short description of the religions;
Christianity (Krýsttrúgæf) evolved following divergent paths so while Catholicism still exists, it's a small minority in Ireland by this point; the major form of Christianity is the descendant of the local forms of Irish Christianity influenced by the decline of Catholicism and the existence of, and having to coexist with, an entirely other religion.
In terms of the other two forms, the Occidental Church (Vástrín Krýstsæðr) was the result of a Western Schism and reform movement while the Gnostic Church (Twænósís) is the descendant of a variety of gnostic beliefs and movements.
The Northern Faith (Nórðtrúgæf) is the modern evolution of the Norse belief system; while their are several smaller denominations (with focuses on one or more specific deities, such as the Fræíssæðr) the vast majority (80%+) fall into one of the two broader denominational groups, the reformed 'New Ways' (Nýrsæðr) and the traditional 'True Ways' (Sáðrsæðr).
The remaining two religions are the Gímlbórn, a syncretic religion derived from aspects of Christianity and the Norse faith, and the neopagan Temple of the Reborn Gods, which believes in a reconstructed version of the pre-Christian Irish religion.
Lastly their are Agnostics (Næwátrú) and Atheists (Trúlæs).
The below map shows the major and local majority religions of Ireland.
I'll include the full write-up in spoilers, but the short description of the religions;
Christianity (Krýsttrúgæf) evolved following divergent paths so while Catholicism still exists, it's a small minority in Ireland by this point; the major form of Christianity is the descendant of the local forms of Irish Christianity influenced by the decline of Catholicism and the existence of, and having to coexist with, an entirely other religion.
In terms of the other two forms, the Occidental Church (Vástrín Krýstsæðr) was the result of a Western Schism and reform movement while the Gnostic Church (Twænósís) is the descendant of a variety of gnostic beliefs and movements.
The Northern Faith (Nórðtrúgæf) is the modern evolution of the Norse belief system; while their are several smaller denominations (with focuses on one or more specific deities, such as the Fræíssæðr) the vast majority (80%+) fall into one of the two broader denominational groups, the reformed 'New Ways' (Nýrsæðr) and the traditional 'True Ways' (Sáðrsæðr).
The remaining two religions are the Gímlbórn, a syncretic religion derived from aspects of Christianity and the Norse faith, and the neopagan Temple of the Reborn Gods, which believes in a reconstructed version of the pre-Christian Irish religion.
Lastly their are Agnostics (Næwátrú) and Atheists (Trúlæs).
Christianity (Críostaíocht / Krýsttrúgæf):
Arínic Church (Críostúlachtin na hÅriún /Årínísú Krýstsæðr ):
The Arínic Church, officially the Church of Åriún, is by far the single largest (76.9%) Christian denomination on the whole of the Island of Åriún / Årín as well as the being the single largest (42.75%) religious denomination on the island and the second oldest church having been established in 1248.
While the Arínic Church has a more traditional basis, it is still very much it's own thing, being the evolution of the ancient Insular Christian Traditions, notably the existence of an elected Church Council as its nominative ruling body, many semi-independent churches making up the whole and independent monastic traditions.
The Arínic Church as a whole is generally considered moderate theologically and liberal socially.
Occidental Church (Críostaíocht an Iárthair / Vástrín Krýstsæðr):
The Occidental Church, officially the Renewed Church of Christ, is among the largest Christian denominations in the world.
The Occidental Church, while hardly the first break away (in 1296) church from Catholicism, was the first to be widely successful and to this day is one of the largest Christian denominations in the world.
Similar to the Arínic Church, the Occidental Church has a Church Council as its governing body, however the Occidental Council is far more powerful and influential, and all churches that are part of the Occidental Communion must abide by several theological rulings and beliefs inherent to the church; among these the doctrines of Divine Equality and the Corruption of Greed are perhaps the most well known; the concept of Divine Equality states that all Humans are Equal in the eyes of God, and thus both men and women have equal position within the Church while the concept of the Corruption of Greed states that wealth and material possessions are inherently corrupting to the soul, and excessive wealth and materialism are signs of someone whos life is full of great sin; the most outward sign of this on the Church level is that, in opposition to the oppulence and veneration of ancient sites that have been part of the Catholic Church, the Occidental Churches buildings tend to be more modest and often designed to fit in with the local/current architecture.
The Occidental Church is considered to be conservative to moderate theologically and moderate to liberal socially.
Gnostic Church (Ålos ar an Dá Bålech / Twænósís):
The Gnostic Church, officially the Sophian Church of Holy Gnosis, is one of the most theologically controversial of the major churches.
The Gnostic Church, while today a single theological entity, is the descendant of many diverse gnostic, dualistic and unorthodox belief systems that spread throughout Europe starting in the 10th century and in the modern day is the single largest of such denominations in the world.
The modern Gnostic Church perhaps ironically is closer to Catholicism in its administrative structure than many others; the church is lead by the Didáskalôs té Gnôsis (commonly shortened to just Didáskalôs) whom is in turn elected by the Agathôs Anthropoi (commonly shortened to just Agathôs), the rough equivalent to a Catholic Bishop whom are in turn elected by the Consellié, the leaders of the individual churches in the region they represent.
As with several of the post-Catholic churches and with it's ancestral beliefs the Gnostic Church includes the concept of equality between the sexes in its theological beliefs, being one of the oldest existing denominations of Christianity to have included the allowance of women to hold the same ecclesiastical positions as men. The more theologically controversial aspects of the faith (and why they are not considered Christian by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches) are the beliefs in a form of adoptionism, that is that Jesus the Christ was not the Son of God, but the biological son of Joseph and Mary whom was chosen by God to be his Divine Representative on Earth, the quasi-dualistic belief that their are two aspects of God, the Demiurgô, the negative and materialistic aspect, and the Hypervatikô, the transcendent, positive and spiritual aspect, whom are in constant opposition to each other, but seen as two parts of the same being and the belief in a form of reincarnation in which those who had not been able to purify their souls to ascend to join as part of the Hypervatikô would be reborn until they could do so.
Unique among major Christian denominations is the presence of vegetarianism; while it is not enforced on the lay population it, along with a form of asceticism is required for those who hold positions within the Church.
The Gnostic Church is considered to be liberal theologically and moderate to liberal socially.
Catholic Church (Åclai Caitliceach / Kæþúlsæðr):
The Catholic Church, officially the Roman Church of Christ, is the oldest of the major denominations of Christianity.
The Catholic Church was the primary form of Christianity in Western and Central Europe until the late 12th to early 13th centuries as the various new forms of Christianity began to develop and spread, leading to it losing ground in much of Europe, only remaining the majority in Italia, most of Iberia, the Northern Balkans and parts of North Africa.
The Catholic Church has remained relatively static and traditional for most of the last thousand years, with the last major changes being the setting of the College of Cardinals permanently at 30 members by Pope Celestine VI in 1631 and the encyclical Omnes Filii Christi, which accepted that, while lead astray, adherents of the various other denominations (recognized as such by the Church) were all equal as children of god and would not necessarily be doomed to eternal damnation for not being members of the Catholic Church proclaimed by Pope Gregory XII in 1947.
The Catholic Church is considered deeply conservative theologically and conservative socially.
Northern Faith (Rålígún Lochlannach / Nórðtrúgæf):
New Ways (Nýrsæðr / Nú Lochlannach):
The New Ways represent the majority of adherents to Nórðtrúgæf, having roots in the 12th century.
While often treated as a single monolithic entity, Nýrsæðr is perhaps more better understood as a confederation of similar beliefs in the modern day and historically a much more fragmented grouping of beliefs that held similar social and religious tenants.
The primary aspects that separate Nýrsæðr from its more traditionalist sibling is its furtherment of egalitarianism, disdain for violence and glory seeking and, depending on the denomination, belief that Rágnurókr either does not exist or refers to a reformation of the world rather than the destruction of it.
The Nýrsæðr tends to be liberal theologically and moderate to liberal socially.
Old Ways (Gámlsæðr / Sean Lochlannach):
The Old Ways, also known as the True Ways (Sáðrsæðr) by its adherents, represents the groups believing in the more traditional and unreformed forms of the Nórðtrúgæf; despite claims by many of its groups to represent the original Norse beliefs, the large majority of groups existing today have developed a variety of differences.
While not as disparate as its sibling denomination, Gámlsæðr is itself not a monolithic group, being primarily comprised of three major denominational groups, known as the Þræ Hófánr (Three Temples) and a collection of several smaller groups, usually tied to the historicity of the location they're in.
The Gámlsæðr tends to be conservative to moderate theologically and socially.
Ways of Fræu (Fræíssæðr / Clán Fraoch):
The Ways of Fræu is one of the largest of the minor denominations of the Nórðtrúgæf, focused on the goddess Fræu, having origins in the 11th century and a formal organization in the 14th century.
The Fræíssæðr have a focus on magic (sædr), fertility, family and continuation; unlike most other denominations of the Nórðtrúgæf it has a sacred animal in the form of cats.
At several points throughout history Fræíssæðr was the unofficial Way of the Court, with many Mæðrrugrs (monarchs) and members of the Nórðrægr royal dynasty being adherents.
The Fræíssæðr tends to be liberal theologically and socially.
Heaven Born (Gímlbórn / Neavh a Rúgadh):
Temple of the Heaven Born (Agleís ar Neavh a Rúgadh / Hófá ávn ðæ Gímlbórn):
The Heaven Born or Children of Heaven is a syncretic religion that developed in Skánlánd and Dænlánd in the 13th century.
The Gímlbórn believe that Rágnurókr has already occurred and that the Christian Adam and Eve were in fact Líf and Lífþræsu and the Christian god was in fact the result of the surviving Norse deities having merged together to form a single new god.
While predominantly popular in parts of Northern Europe, it is also present as a minority with several local majorities throughout Bræðhólm and Åriún / Årín.
The Gímlbórn is moderate to liberal theologically and ranges from conservative to liberal socially.
Reborn Gods (Págántacht na hÅriún / Årínísú Nýtrúgæf ):
Great Temple of the Reborn Gods (Báile Mór na Déithe Athshaolaithe / Stórtrúhófá ávn ðæ Gænbórn Góðár):
The Reborn Gods is an Arínic reconstructionist neopagan religion that formed in Åriún / Årín in the late 19th century.
The Reborn Gods believe in a reconstructed version of the pre-Christian Arínic pantheon and belief system, with some theological influences from Nórðtrúgæf and structural influences from the Críostúlachtin na hÅriún.
While a minority in Bræðhólm and Åriún / Årín, it does have small local majorities in the northern most part of Doire na Uí Neíll, particularly the island of Tóraigh where the Great Temple is located.
The Déithe Athshaolaithe is liberal theologically and moderate to liberal socially.
Arínic Church (Críostúlachtin na hÅriún /Årínísú Krýstsæðr ):
The Arínic Church, officially the Church of Åriún, is by far the single largest (76.9%) Christian denomination on the whole of the Island of Åriún / Årín as well as the being the single largest (42.75%) religious denomination on the island and the second oldest church having been established in 1248.
While the Arínic Church has a more traditional basis, it is still very much it's own thing, being the evolution of the ancient Insular Christian Traditions, notably the existence of an elected Church Council as its nominative ruling body, many semi-independent churches making up the whole and independent monastic traditions.
The Arínic Church as a whole is generally considered moderate theologically and liberal socially.
Occidental Church (Críostaíocht an Iárthair / Vástrín Krýstsæðr):
The Occidental Church, officially the Renewed Church of Christ, is among the largest Christian denominations in the world.
The Occidental Church, while hardly the first break away (in 1296) church from Catholicism, was the first to be widely successful and to this day is one of the largest Christian denominations in the world.
Similar to the Arínic Church, the Occidental Church has a Church Council as its governing body, however the Occidental Council is far more powerful and influential, and all churches that are part of the Occidental Communion must abide by several theological rulings and beliefs inherent to the church; among these the doctrines of Divine Equality and the Corruption of Greed are perhaps the most well known; the concept of Divine Equality states that all Humans are Equal in the eyes of God, and thus both men and women have equal position within the Church while the concept of the Corruption of Greed states that wealth and material possessions are inherently corrupting to the soul, and excessive wealth and materialism are signs of someone whos life is full of great sin; the most outward sign of this on the Church level is that, in opposition to the oppulence and veneration of ancient sites that have been part of the Catholic Church, the Occidental Churches buildings tend to be more modest and often designed to fit in with the local/current architecture.
The Occidental Church is considered to be conservative to moderate theologically and moderate to liberal socially.
Gnostic Church (Ålos ar an Dá Bålech / Twænósís):
The Gnostic Church, officially the Sophian Church of Holy Gnosis, is one of the most theologically controversial of the major churches.
The Gnostic Church, while today a single theological entity, is the descendant of many diverse gnostic, dualistic and unorthodox belief systems that spread throughout Europe starting in the 10th century and in the modern day is the single largest of such denominations in the world.
The modern Gnostic Church perhaps ironically is closer to Catholicism in its administrative structure than many others; the church is lead by the Didáskalôs té Gnôsis (commonly shortened to just Didáskalôs) whom is in turn elected by the Agathôs Anthropoi (commonly shortened to just Agathôs), the rough equivalent to a Catholic Bishop whom are in turn elected by the Consellié, the leaders of the individual churches in the region they represent.
As with several of the post-Catholic churches and with it's ancestral beliefs the Gnostic Church includes the concept of equality between the sexes in its theological beliefs, being one of the oldest existing denominations of Christianity to have included the allowance of women to hold the same ecclesiastical positions as men. The more theologically controversial aspects of the faith (and why they are not considered Christian by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches) are the beliefs in a form of adoptionism, that is that Jesus the Christ was not the Son of God, but the biological son of Joseph and Mary whom was chosen by God to be his Divine Representative on Earth, the quasi-dualistic belief that their are two aspects of God, the Demiurgô, the negative and materialistic aspect, and the Hypervatikô, the transcendent, positive and spiritual aspect, whom are in constant opposition to each other, but seen as two parts of the same being and the belief in a form of reincarnation in which those who had not been able to purify their souls to ascend to join as part of the Hypervatikô would be reborn until they could do so.
Unique among major Christian denominations is the presence of vegetarianism; while it is not enforced on the lay population it, along with a form of asceticism is required for those who hold positions within the Church.
The Gnostic Church is considered to be liberal theologically and moderate to liberal socially.
Catholic Church (Åclai Caitliceach / Kæþúlsæðr):
The Catholic Church, officially the Roman Church of Christ, is the oldest of the major denominations of Christianity.
The Catholic Church was the primary form of Christianity in Western and Central Europe until the late 12th to early 13th centuries as the various new forms of Christianity began to develop and spread, leading to it losing ground in much of Europe, only remaining the majority in Italia, most of Iberia, the Northern Balkans and parts of North Africa.
The Catholic Church has remained relatively static and traditional for most of the last thousand years, with the last major changes being the setting of the College of Cardinals permanently at 30 members by Pope Celestine VI in 1631 and the encyclical Omnes Filii Christi, which accepted that, while lead astray, adherents of the various other denominations (recognized as such by the Church) were all equal as children of god and would not necessarily be doomed to eternal damnation for not being members of the Catholic Church proclaimed by Pope Gregory XII in 1947.
The Catholic Church is considered deeply conservative theologically and conservative socially.
Northern Faith (Rålígún Lochlannach / Nórðtrúgæf):
New Ways (Nýrsæðr / Nú Lochlannach):
The New Ways represent the majority of adherents to Nórðtrúgæf, having roots in the 12th century.
While often treated as a single monolithic entity, Nýrsæðr is perhaps more better understood as a confederation of similar beliefs in the modern day and historically a much more fragmented grouping of beliefs that held similar social and religious tenants.
The primary aspects that separate Nýrsæðr from its more traditionalist sibling is its furtherment of egalitarianism, disdain for violence and glory seeking and, depending on the denomination, belief that Rágnurókr either does not exist or refers to a reformation of the world rather than the destruction of it.
The Nýrsæðr tends to be liberal theologically and moderate to liberal socially.
Old Ways (Gámlsæðr / Sean Lochlannach):
The Old Ways, also known as the True Ways (Sáðrsæðr) by its adherents, represents the groups believing in the more traditional and unreformed forms of the Nórðtrúgæf; despite claims by many of its groups to represent the original Norse beliefs, the large majority of groups existing today have developed a variety of differences.
While not as disparate as its sibling denomination, Gámlsæðr is itself not a monolithic group, being primarily comprised of three major denominational groups, known as the Þræ Hófánr (Three Temples) and a collection of several smaller groups, usually tied to the historicity of the location they're in.
The Gámlsæðr tends to be conservative to moderate theologically and socially.
Ways of Fræu (Fræíssæðr / Clán Fraoch):
The Ways of Fræu is one of the largest of the minor denominations of the Nórðtrúgæf, focused on the goddess Fræu, having origins in the 11th century and a formal organization in the 14th century.
The Fræíssæðr have a focus on magic (sædr), fertility, family and continuation; unlike most other denominations of the Nórðtrúgæf it has a sacred animal in the form of cats.
At several points throughout history Fræíssæðr was the unofficial Way of the Court, with many Mæðrrugrs (monarchs) and members of the Nórðrægr royal dynasty being adherents.
The Fræíssæðr tends to be liberal theologically and socially.
Heaven Born (Gímlbórn / Neavh a Rúgadh):
Temple of the Heaven Born (Agleís ar Neavh a Rúgadh / Hófá ávn ðæ Gímlbórn):
The Heaven Born or Children of Heaven is a syncretic religion that developed in Skánlánd and Dænlánd in the 13th century.
The Gímlbórn believe that Rágnurókr has already occurred and that the Christian Adam and Eve were in fact Líf and Lífþræsu and the Christian god was in fact the result of the surviving Norse deities having merged together to form a single new god.
While predominantly popular in parts of Northern Europe, it is also present as a minority with several local majorities throughout Bræðhólm and Åriún / Årín.
The Gímlbórn is moderate to liberal theologically and ranges from conservative to liberal socially.
Reborn Gods (Págántacht na hÅriún / Årínísú Nýtrúgæf ):
Great Temple of the Reborn Gods (Báile Mór na Déithe Athshaolaithe / Stórtrúhófá ávn ðæ Gænbórn Góðár):
The Reborn Gods is an Arínic reconstructionist neopagan religion that formed in Åriún / Årín in the late 19th century.
The Reborn Gods believe in a reconstructed version of the pre-Christian Arínic pantheon and belief system, with some theological influences from Nórðtrúgæf and structural influences from the Críostúlachtin na hÅriún.
While a minority in Bræðhólm and Åriún / Årín, it does have small local majorities in the northern most part of Doire na Uí Neíll, particularly the island of Tóraigh where the Great Temple is located.
The Déithe Athshaolaithe is liberal theologically and moderate to liberal socially.
The below map shows the major and local majority religions of Ireland.
I have such idea, but in my version, Spain colonize Africa) Means, Africa is close to Iberia (most like Siberia to Russia), and it would be much easy to hold it, than the Americas)
This is a great way to make a parallelism. Which are the equivalent of the former SSRs? These republics in Southern France and North-West Africa? Is there an Ukraine that will be invaded? What's the status of Sardinia and Corsica?
Hello! First post in a while.
This map is inspired by ''The United States as Polk Would have Wanted it'' map that you have probably seen floating around. Basically, America gives in to it's imperialist urges. Some interesting tidbits about this world:
- There is no Civil War, as the US continues compromise after compromise with the new lands it acquires. Slavery is abolished at the end of the 19th Century as part of the Labor movement.
- The Republicans never rise to power, and the Democrats dominate national politics until a coalition of progressive parties and factions form into the Labor Party in the early 20th Century. Politics to this day are less defined by left and right, but more by labor/workers v.s. business /capital. The Democrats merged with the remnants of other parties to form the United Party.
- The Electoral College is still around and recently handed Rex Tillerson (U) a win without the popular vote over incumbent President Xavier Becerra (L).
- Spanish is very much a coequal language to English in the United States, with the Official Languages Act passed by a Labor Congress in the 1990s mandating its use in all federal services, education and communication to better serve the less enfranchised hispanophone Americans.
- American manufacturing and other blue collar work is far less exported overseas as it was in our world, resulting in an larger enduring middle class, but also a smaller economy overall, thanks to protectionist and isolationist economic doctrine. The US is not a global military superpower, but rather an economic juggernaut that has undisputed influence over the Americas, and nothing more (except Hawaii). This America did not get involved in the great wars of the 20th Century, and it only recently has had amicable relations with the British Empire.
- Alaska is Canadian and is very developed as a result of US control of southern Vancouver Island. They needed a Pacific backup to Vancouver in case the Americans tried something.
Sorry if this isn't the right thread for this, but is anyone aware of a full topographic world map, preferably equirectangular, that uses the Wikipedia colorimetric convention? I can't seem to find one on Wikipedia itself. Barring that, any equirectangular topographic world map with a clearly defined key would work.
On quick notice, this is the best that I've got. There's also a real world map and blank map thread you could try exploring, too
Map Thread XIX
Here's a topographic map you can color in to make interesting heightmaps its an 8-bit image becuase the other sizes (including full 8K) are not uploadable unfortunately.
www.alternatehistory.com
Sources: https://x.com/Locati0ns?t=2MkXQpGFUIUCuq93XbiH6g&s=09
Second map is the length of the US-Mexico border superimposed over Europe.
Second map is the length of the US-Mexico border superimposed over Europe.
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If the Pod butterflys WW1 away.
Could we see a linguistic trinity made up of English, German and Spanish?
Spain and Russia were switched with Hispania having a Western variant of Tsarist Autocracy descended from Visigoths. Any Iberian equivalents of Kievan Rus' and Novgorod Republic?
It would certainly be more prevalent in some parts of the country. Maybe some midwestern states adopt it as an official language, but not the whole country.
Yes, Norway loses a bit of land. It is accotable here, I suppose. Though I do fear Finland not being under Sweden means Novgorod might not have Nordic vibe or shared identity, even if they did control Denmark for a bit. Ahh well. You see Novgorod leaning towards being culturally or linguistically Slavic, Finnic, Scandinavian, Baltic, or something all to its own? Though I suppose they have all Finns everywhere period anyways. What is the chunk of blue on the stamp between Iceland and Ireland? Ijeland?
Well since the file is too large, so I don't know what else to do aside from sharing the link to the map on my dA page, but as a disclaimer, let it be known that I was young(er) and reckless!, and the name for the timeline was stupid and in no way has anything to do with my actual political beliefs.
Also the description beneath is facetious in tone hence the lame dry humor. I can't stop you from judging me since that is kinda the point of sharing my work to begin with but now maybe I've skewed your judgement in my benefit if you've read this
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Damn, AmongTheSatanic, that's a name I haven't heard for a long time
Well since the file is too large, so I don't know what else to do aside from sharing the link to the map on my dA page, but as a disclaimer, let it be known that I was young(er) and reckless!, and the name for the timeline was stupid and in no way has anything to do with my actual political beliefs. Also the description beneath is facetious in tone hence the lame dry humor. I can't stop you from judging me since that is kinda the point of sharing my work to begin with but now maybe I've skewed your judgement in my benefit if you've read this