Not much actually. Because of British Long Island right next door, NYC mostly evolves as a naval military city so it's not nearly as large.
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Was there Prohibition for Long Island and the US ITTL, and, if so, were there issues with bootlegging?
Prehensile forked tongue with four forks in it. Sure, you only get one hand per lizard, but that only encourages cooperation!
Would that mean no Eire Canal to funnel the goods from the Midwest to anew York rather than going through Canada or the Mississippi? Or would the old practice of using commercial ships during war just mean the city becomes even more industrial, even if the financial sector goes further inland? Also, I have some doubts that they would want to glorify either George III or Benedict Arnold here. Actually, I think this island is even more likely to be raided by Fenians than Canada was. Maybe the Americans and British come together in the Civil War to crush and deport rioting Irishmen.
Seems... somewhat plausible. That said the place is a serious Natural Harbor and if anything resembling OTL's Special Relationship is in place by the last quarter of the 19th it will be quite large. for all that (likely) Philidelphia will take NYC's place as The Big City.
I know a lot of people were asking me for this over the years, and here it is! Twelve Indonesias!
But first the ground rules:
1. All of these states are post-colonial. No modern Majapahit Empire, no alternate migration patterns. In fact all of these have points of divergence after 1492, making all of them arguably modern.
2. All of these alternate Indonesias contain Java, mostly because to me a colonial entity that doesn't have Java but attempts to control both the Strait of Malacca and the Maluku/Spice Islands wouldn't make sense to administer as the same colony if there isn't Java as a bridge. Originally I had a complicated points-based system to determine what is an Indonesia (with differing priorities for the islands of Java, Sumatra, Borneo, Sulawesi, Ambon, and Timur), but I scrapped it after having that realization.
3. I kept the write-ups short and meta, instead of going for an in-universe academic style.
A1 - Federation of Indonesia
An Indonesia still colonized by the Dutch but the Anglo-Dutch Treaties of the 19th century aren't signed, resulting in a generally greater rivalry between the Netherlands and the UK. That means that Malacca remains a Dutch possession and that Aceh remains independent, while the Portuguese also do a better job at keeping their holdings centered on Flores.
Dutch influence on the archipelago remains pretty strong and the Dutch language serves as one of the two lingua francae.
The flag I used is just the OTL flag of the State of East Indonesia, the short-lived entity that existed within the equally short-lived United States of Indonesia, symbolizing ultimately the greater Dutch influence on the country.
A2 – Commonwealth of Malayunesia
In this world the Dutch lost the East Indies to the UK after the Napoleonic Wars. The Commonwealth of Malayunesia is an important ally to the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland, Malta, and Hong Kong, and the British monarch is still the monarch of Malayunesia.
The flag of Malayunesia uses thirteen red and white stripes, which harken back both to the British East India Company and the Majapahit Empire, while the blue disk with the two kris daggers stands for unity, joint defense, and Malay culture.
A3 – Republic of Insulinde
For this alternate Indonesia, France has won the Napoleonic Wars and annexed the Batavian East Indies. While Batavia itself would regain independence in the early 1840s after the collapse of the First Continental System, the East Indies would remain French and Java would often be seen as a crown jewel of the French Empire.
Insulinde after independence adopts a republican model of governance, just like France would adopt around the same time as the Napoleonic Era would finally come to an end. Insulinde follows the French tradition of a centralized system of government, but a handful of princely states survive with significant autonomy.
Of special note within Insulinde is the island of Mindanao. Just like the former Batavian East Indies, the Spanish colony in the Philippines was also annexed by France. When both colonies gained independence, Muslim Mindanao ultimately tried to join Insulinde rather than the Philippines, seeing the government in Macassar as more friendly to their concerns.
The flag of Insulinde is a tricolor in the French style, using the colors of green, white, and yellow. These colors are taken from the “Latihan” rehearsal flag actually. In the center is a black bateng head, symbolizing social cohesion.
A4 – Kingdom of Jabadiu
This alternate Indonesia was a colony of the Iberian Union of Crowns, a surviving union of Spain and Portugal. Through the combined might of these two colonial powerhouses, most of the archipelago gets subjugated, though an alliance of Muslim states consisting of the three sultanates of Aceh, Johor-Riau, and Perak has managed to fend off the Iberians.
Politically Jabadiu, which was given this name as a reference to the Southeast Asian polity mentioned in Ptolemy’s Geographia, is an elective monarchy, with its various state substates vying for the royal title, which is granted for life. The constitution of Jabadiu also allows for the monarch of the Iberian Union to be eligible as a candidate, however since its independence the Iberian monarch was never truly a contender.
Due to this elective system, the native states enjoy massive autonomy, while the rest of the country, namely the bits of territory that were under direct colonial rule, are governed by a parliament-approved executive council.
The flag of Jabadiu consists of five stripes, alternating between white and red. These colors are of course the traditional Indonesian colors, and the configuration was a proposal made for the Spanish flag before the iconic red-yellow-red horizontal tricolor was adopted.
An Indonesia still colonized by the Dutch but the Anglo-Dutch Treaties of the 19th century aren't signed, resulting in a generally greater rivalry between the Netherlands and the UK. That means that Malacca remains a Dutch possession and that Aceh remains independent, while the Portuguese also do a better job at keeping their holdings centered on Flores.
Dutch influence on the archipelago remains pretty strong and the Dutch language serves as one of the two lingua francae.
The flag I used is just the OTL flag of the State of East Indonesia, the short-lived entity that existed within the equally short-lived United States of Indonesia, symbolizing ultimately the greater Dutch influence on the country.
A2 – Commonwealth of Malayunesia
In this world the Dutch lost the East Indies to the UK after the Napoleonic Wars. The Commonwealth of Malayunesia is an important ally to the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland, Malta, and Hong Kong, and the British monarch is still the monarch of Malayunesia.
The flag of Malayunesia uses thirteen red and white stripes, which harken back both to the British East India Company and the Majapahit Empire, while the blue disk with the two kris daggers stands for unity, joint defense, and Malay culture.
A3 – Republic of Insulinde
For this alternate Indonesia, France has won the Napoleonic Wars and annexed the Batavian East Indies. While Batavia itself would regain independence in the early 1840s after the collapse of the First Continental System, the East Indies would remain French and Java would often be seen as a crown jewel of the French Empire.
Insulinde after independence adopts a republican model of governance, just like France would adopt around the same time as the Napoleonic Era would finally come to an end. Insulinde follows the French tradition of a centralized system of government, but a handful of princely states survive with significant autonomy.
Of special note within Insulinde is the island of Mindanao. Just like the former Batavian East Indies, the Spanish colony in the Philippines was also annexed by France. When both colonies gained independence, Muslim Mindanao ultimately tried to join Insulinde rather than the Philippines, seeing the government in Macassar as more friendly to their concerns.
The flag of Insulinde is a tricolor in the French style, using the colors of green, white, and yellow. These colors are taken from the “Latihan” rehearsal flag actually. In the center is a black bateng head, symbolizing social cohesion.
A4 – Kingdom of Jabadiu
This alternate Indonesia was a colony of the Iberian Union of Crowns, a surviving union of Spain and Portugal. Through the combined might of these two colonial powerhouses, most of the archipelago gets subjugated, though an alliance of Muslim states consisting of the three sultanates of Aceh, Johor-Riau, and Perak has managed to fend off the Iberians.
Politically Jabadiu, which was given this name as a reference to the Southeast Asian polity mentioned in Ptolemy’s Geographia, is an elective monarchy, with its various state substates vying for the royal title, which is granted for life. The constitution of Jabadiu also allows for the monarch of the Iberian Union to be eligible as a candidate, however since its independence the Iberian monarch was never truly a contender.
Due to this elective system, the native states enjoy massive autonomy, while the rest of the country, namely the bits of territory that were under direct colonial rule, are governed by a parliament-approved executive council.
The flag of Jabadiu consists of five stripes, alternating between white and red. These colors are of course the traditional Indonesian colors, and the configuration was a proposal made for the Spanish flag before the iconic red-yellow-red horizontal tricolor was adopted.
B1 – Union of the East Indies
This state is from a variant of the (in)famous “Outline of the Post-War New World” Map, also known as the Gomberg Map, albeit with some modifications. The Gomberg Map suggested the partition of the Dutch East Indies between the British Empire and the United States. The Union of the East Indies is the successor state to the British-controlled zone.
The Union is a multi-tiered federal parliamentary monarchy in personal union with the United Kingdom of Great Britain. The various provinces, special urban districts, and princely states have varying levels of autonomy, with only the territories lacking significant self-government.
The flag of the Union of the East Indies is inspired by the flag of Malaysia’s capital city of Putrajaya, though its colors are reversed, the yellow made less garish, and the coat of arms has been replaced with a lotus flower, representing peace. The Union is an important piece in the geopolitical strategy of the Anglo-American Bloc, deemed as necessary to keep an eye on the United People’s Republics of East Asia.
B2 – Islamic Republic of Indonesia
This Indonesia’s history is remarkably similar to our own up to independence. Instead of pursuing the doomed-to-fail United States of Indonesia idea, the Dutch ultimately settle on a compromise that intends to allow for the Christian-majority areas in the Maluku Islands and the Lesser Sunda Islands to become their own country rather than be part of the nebulous “Great East”. As a result, the remainder of the Indonesian Archipelago gains independence as a complete state, excluding Bali, which also manages to secure independence around that time (though Indonesia would only recognize Balinese independence in the 60s).
After the early decades of independence, Indonesia adopts a moderate Islamist constitution, becoming the Islamic Republic of Indonesia, as the power of Islamist forces grew, and it even took over large parts of the country. Recently, violence against Christians in the north of Sulawesi led to the creation of the sole non-Muslim majority province of Minhasa on the northeastern tip of Sulawesi. There are now talks to grant further autonomy to Minhasa and maybe apply that same model to other regions with either separatist tendencies or significant non-Muslim populations (such as West Kalimantan, western North Sumatra, and the Riau Islands within the province of Siak-Riau).
The flag of the Islamic Republic of Indonesia is the Indonesian flag with a green band on the side, with a star and crescent symbol on there taken from the Darul Islam insurgency movement.
B3 – East Indies Kingdom
This Indonesia is a Japanese puppet state! In this alternate timeline the Axis Powers win the Second World War, leading to the genuine implementation of the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere led by the victorious Japanese Empire.
Its borders are an interpretation of conflicting proposals and promises made by the Japanese. Here I took the suggestion of a Malayan-Sumatran state as its base, while also following some ideas floated to annex parts of the Indonesian Archipelago directly into Japan. As a result, the East Indies Kingdom borders the Japanese colony of Borneo directly, which consists of West Kalimantan and former British Borneo.
The East Indies Kingdom is a largely centralized state with weak provinces. While it was briefly considered to put a member of the Imperial House on the throne of the East Indies, the Japanese ultimately decided to elevate Paku Alam VIII, Duke of Pakualaman, to the throne. He would remain the sole King of the East Indies until the collapse of the Japanese system during the 1990s, with the East Indies Kingdom being replaced by the Republic of Indonesia in 1992.
The flag of the East Indies Kingdom is a golden garuda on a red field, surrounded by a white border. The garuda, an important symbol in southern Asia, stands for power and sovereignty.
B4 – Republic of Sundaland
This Indonesia is from a world in which the Second World War doesn’t happen in the Pacific. While the Japanese occupation is thusly avoided, there is still too much of a movement in the Dutch East Indies to gain independence, and that is ultimately what happens when in 1950, after three years of negotiations, the Dutch East Indies are partitioned into three states: the Federation of Kalimantan, the Kingdom of the Great East (in personal union with the Kingdom of the Netherlands), and the Republic of Sundaland, controlling the islands of Java and Sumatra. The name “Indonesia” was deliberately forbidden from being used by any of the three states.
Sundaland is a centralized republic and is firmly non-aligned in the Cold War world. It enjoys close relations to the also unaligned Empire of Japan, with many Sundalanders seeing Japan as a culture to be emulated and that ideally Sundaland should expand and develop similar relationships to other states in the Malay Archipelago like the Japanese have with Korea and Taiwan.
Its national flag is a white triangle symbolizing peace and progress on a red field symbolizing struggle. Within the white triangle is a green banyan tree, symbolizing the land and resilience and growth.
This state is from a variant of the (in)famous “Outline of the Post-War New World” Map, also known as the Gomberg Map, albeit with some modifications. The Gomberg Map suggested the partition of the Dutch East Indies between the British Empire and the United States. The Union of the East Indies is the successor state to the British-controlled zone.
The Union is a multi-tiered federal parliamentary monarchy in personal union with the United Kingdom of Great Britain. The various provinces, special urban districts, and princely states have varying levels of autonomy, with only the territories lacking significant self-government.
The flag of the Union of the East Indies is inspired by the flag of Malaysia’s capital city of Putrajaya, though its colors are reversed, the yellow made less garish, and the coat of arms has been replaced with a lotus flower, representing peace. The Union is an important piece in the geopolitical strategy of the Anglo-American Bloc, deemed as necessary to keep an eye on the United People’s Republics of East Asia.
B2 – Islamic Republic of Indonesia
This Indonesia’s history is remarkably similar to our own up to independence. Instead of pursuing the doomed-to-fail United States of Indonesia idea, the Dutch ultimately settle on a compromise that intends to allow for the Christian-majority areas in the Maluku Islands and the Lesser Sunda Islands to become their own country rather than be part of the nebulous “Great East”. As a result, the remainder of the Indonesian Archipelago gains independence as a complete state, excluding Bali, which also manages to secure independence around that time (though Indonesia would only recognize Balinese independence in the 60s).
After the early decades of independence, Indonesia adopts a moderate Islamist constitution, becoming the Islamic Republic of Indonesia, as the power of Islamist forces grew, and it even took over large parts of the country. Recently, violence against Christians in the north of Sulawesi led to the creation of the sole non-Muslim majority province of Minhasa on the northeastern tip of Sulawesi. There are now talks to grant further autonomy to Minhasa and maybe apply that same model to other regions with either separatist tendencies or significant non-Muslim populations (such as West Kalimantan, western North Sumatra, and the Riau Islands within the province of Siak-Riau).
The flag of the Islamic Republic of Indonesia is the Indonesian flag with a green band on the side, with a star and crescent symbol on there taken from the Darul Islam insurgency movement.
B3 – East Indies Kingdom
This Indonesia is a Japanese puppet state! In this alternate timeline the Axis Powers win the Second World War, leading to the genuine implementation of the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere led by the victorious Japanese Empire.
Its borders are an interpretation of conflicting proposals and promises made by the Japanese. Here I took the suggestion of a Malayan-Sumatran state as its base, while also following some ideas floated to annex parts of the Indonesian Archipelago directly into Japan. As a result, the East Indies Kingdom borders the Japanese colony of Borneo directly, which consists of West Kalimantan and former British Borneo.
The East Indies Kingdom is a largely centralized state with weak provinces. While it was briefly considered to put a member of the Imperial House on the throne of the East Indies, the Japanese ultimately decided to elevate Paku Alam VIII, Duke of Pakualaman, to the throne. He would remain the sole King of the East Indies until the collapse of the Japanese system during the 1990s, with the East Indies Kingdom being replaced by the Republic of Indonesia in 1992.
The flag of the East Indies Kingdom is a golden garuda on a red field, surrounded by a white border. The garuda, an important symbol in southern Asia, stands for power and sovereignty.
B4 – Republic of Sundaland
This Indonesia is from a world in which the Second World War doesn’t happen in the Pacific. While the Japanese occupation is thusly avoided, there is still too much of a movement in the Dutch East Indies to gain independence, and that is ultimately what happens when in 1950, after three years of negotiations, the Dutch East Indies are partitioned into three states: the Federation of Kalimantan, the Kingdom of the Great East (in personal union with the Kingdom of the Netherlands), and the Republic of Sundaland, controlling the islands of Java and Sumatra. The name “Indonesia” was deliberately forbidden from being used by any of the three states.
Sundaland is a centralized republic and is firmly non-aligned in the Cold War world. It enjoys close relations to the also unaligned Empire of Japan, with many Sundalanders seeing Japan as a culture to be emulated and that ideally Sundaland should expand and develop similar relationships to other states in the Malay Archipelago like the Japanese have with Korea and Taiwan.
Its national flag is a white triangle symbolizing peace and progress on a red field symbolizing struggle. Within the white triangle is a green banyan tree, symbolizing the land and resilience and growth.
C1 – Democratic Union of Indonesia
This particular variant is inspired by the PRRI/Permesta rebellion that occured in the late 1950s that advocated for a greater degree of federalism. As a result, all of Indonesia besides most of Java (excluding the Vorstenlande) and the southernmost portions of Sumatra by the Sunda Strait gets devolved into hihgly autonomous provinces, while the remainder of the country remains under the control of the national government.
The particular arrangement is also partially inspired by the Reichsland proposal that was discussed in interwar Germany and the modern United Kingdom with its devolved nations having a similar status to this Indonesia's provinces, while "Great Java" holds a similar position to England.
The flag is just the OTL Indonesian flag.
C2 – People’s Federation of Nusantara
A simple communist variant of Indonesia that also includes Timor-Leste (which has a history of left-wing governance) and northern Borneo, which historically faced a Marxist insurgency.
In terms of governmental structure, this Indonesia is mostly centralized, however several regions have larger degrees of autonomy, comparable to the non-Russian SSRs in the Soviet Union. Most notable of these are Aceh, where Islamo-Communism is the norm, and Bali, which allows for the free operation of businesses if you have lived there for at least 6 years, allowing it to become a popular destination for western tourists.
The flag of Nusantara is the Indonesian flag with the hammer and sickle of the Indonesian Communist Party wreathed in cotton and rice, important Indonesian crops.
C3 - Southeast Asian Federation
This entry is heavily inspired by initial post-WW2 proposals in Europe to create a federal anti-communist Western European state, but transplanted onto ASEAN.
The four founding members of the Southeast Asian Federation, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore, united in order to defend themselves against the "red threat" in the Indochinese states, China, and communist guerillas in northern Thailand, parts of Indonesia, and Malaysian Borneo. They also "intervened" in East Timor when it threatened to gain independence as a communist republic.
Each of the regions manages their own domestic affairs, the national government is mostly concerned with international trade, defense, and currency regulation. Old nobilities have special seats carved out for them in both the regional legislatures as well as the National Council of Regions, the Federation's upper legislative house.
The cities of Jakarta and Singapore, as well as occupied East Timor, are administered by the federal government. Jakarta is home to the Federation's legislature and executive, while Singapore is home to the judiciary.
The flag of the SAF aims to symbolize joint defense (the blue and white border), courage (the red field), Southeast Asian cultural continuity (the circle), and freedom (the star). The five points originally also stood for the five founding members of ASEAN out of which the SAF emerged, however since the Philippines decided not to join the Federation, that symbolism would never really line up.
C4 - Empire of Indonesia
This is monarchist Indonesia! The Sunan of Surakarta gets offered the Indonesian throne and the four Vorstenlanden states maintain their autonomy, however Surakarta specifically becomes an absolute domain of the Indonesian monarch. The rest of the country follows a largely federal model, though the provinces don't have as much autonomy as Yogyakarta, Mangkunegaran, and Pakualaman. Most of the political power on the national level is levied by the prime minister and their cabinet.
The flag of the Empire shows the crescent and sun of the Surakartan royal emblem on a blue background at the hoist, standing for the monarchy and the Indonesian archipelago, while the red field stands for peace and the Indonesian people themselves and the struggle for independence against the Dutch and Japanese.
This particular variant is inspired by the PRRI/Permesta rebellion that occured in the late 1950s that advocated for a greater degree of federalism. As a result, all of Indonesia besides most of Java (excluding the Vorstenlande) and the southernmost portions of Sumatra by the Sunda Strait gets devolved into hihgly autonomous provinces, while the remainder of the country remains under the control of the national government.
The particular arrangement is also partially inspired by the Reichsland proposal that was discussed in interwar Germany and the modern United Kingdom with its devolved nations having a similar status to this Indonesia's provinces, while "Great Java" holds a similar position to England.
The flag is just the OTL Indonesian flag.
C2 – People’s Federation of Nusantara
A simple communist variant of Indonesia that also includes Timor-Leste (which has a history of left-wing governance) and northern Borneo, which historically faced a Marxist insurgency.
In terms of governmental structure, this Indonesia is mostly centralized, however several regions have larger degrees of autonomy, comparable to the non-Russian SSRs in the Soviet Union. Most notable of these are Aceh, where Islamo-Communism is the norm, and Bali, which allows for the free operation of businesses if you have lived there for at least 6 years, allowing it to become a popular destination for western tourists.
The flag of Nusantara is the Indonesian flag with the hammer and sickle of the Indonesian Communist Party wreathed in cotton and rice, important Indonesian crops.
C3 - Southeast Asian Federation
This entry is heavily inspired by initial post-WW2 proposals in Europe to create a federal anti-communist Western European state, but transplanted onto ASEAN.
The four founding members of the Southeast Asian Federation, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore, united in order to defend themselves against the "red threat" in the Indochinese states, China, and communist guerillas in northern Thailand, parts of Indonesia, and Malaysian Borneo. They also "intervened" in East Timor when it threatened to gain independence as a communist republic.
Each of the regions manages their own domestic affairs, the national government is mostly concerned with international trade, defense, and currency regulation. Old nobilities have special seats carved out for them in both the regional legislatures as well as the National Council of Regions, the Federation's upper legislative house.
The cities of Jakarta and Singapore, as well as occupied East Timor, are administered by the federal government. Jakarta is home to the Federation's legislature and executive, while Singapore is home to the judiciary.
The flag of the SAF aims to symbolize joint defense (the blue and white border), courage (the red field), Southeast Asian cultural continuity (the circle), and freedom (the star). The five points originally also stood for the five founding members of ASEAN out of which the SAF emerged, however since the Philippines decided not to join the Federation, that symbolism would never really line up.
C4 - Empire of Indonesia
This is monarchist Indonesia! The Sunan of Surakarta gets offered the Indonesian throne and the four Vorstenlanden states maintain their autonomy, however Surakarta specifically becomes an absolute domain of the Indonesian monarch. The rest of the country follows a largely federal model, though the provinces don't have as much autonomy as Yogyakarta, Mangkunegaran, and Pakualaman. Most of the political power on the national level is levied by the prime minister and their cabinet.
The flag of the Empire shows the crescent and sun of the Surakartan royal emblem on a blue background at the hoist, standing for the monarchy and the Indonesian archipelago, while the red field stands for peace and the Indonesian people themselves and the struggle for independence against the Dutch and Japanese.
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Glad to see this finally make its way out of the WIP thread. Beautiful work and quite well thought out.
Amazing how the flag of the Southeast Asian Federation somehow looks even more American that the modern flag of Indonesia. Really, with the slightly faded colors on that flag I can imagine it as a flag used to in Top Gun when trying to please the Chinese, or the flag and map both being used in some old strategy game. If the Philippines were in there, it would be perfect given the limited pixels they could use on the maps on some of those old games. Almost a shame the federal government took over Singapore (especially if the flag implied it was a founding member), especially as they didn’t add nearby islands to it. I know it just has the Judiciary here, and probably a load of commercial and military ships, but do you see the city being more at the DC or NY level of activity?
On occasion I come back to the idea of an alternate Britain (chiefly in a steampunk setting I suppose) which embraced the cultish British Israelism. A slow descent into theocracy, with most of the Anglican establishment being co-opted by the new cult, ensues, with the usual steampunk dystopia besides (enslaved working-class, aristocratic tyranny, "dark Satanic mills", etc.). I would sort of envisage other European nations similarly slipping into authoritarianisms of one kind or another (yet more accelerated Prussianism in the case of Germany, revolutionary excesses in France?)
I just thought I'd post it here in the event anyone found it interesting, I guess. I'm not immensely talented with maps, so I'm sure it comes across as rather simple.
I just thought I'd post it here in the event anyone found it interesting, I guess. I'm not immensely talented with maps, so I'm sure it comes across as rather simple.
I did consider adding the Philippines, but that would've made the SAF the by far biggest variant and would've required a bit larger boxes, making other entries feel much smaller.
And yes, that flag is very much a "generic Capitalistic freedom" design, I'm glad that effect is being achieved!
Singapore is the SAF's Second City, and it's an important city for the SAF navy, too. Due to direct Federation oversight the government has allowed Singapore to become an important trade and transport hub, yes. I'd say that due to sheer reputation, Singapore is also popular with tourists: not too many people commuting to it day by day for menial labor like in Jakarta, cleaner as a result, and very elevated in terms of prestige. So I'd say it has more of a DC level of activity going on.
Well, that's the Canadian Pale for you! Though as I've stated, I was more inspired by Putrajaya's flag, but it's nice to see a real flag with that particular color arrangement!
With a population larger than Scotland and nearly twice that of Wales, wouldn’t it be more realistic for Long Island to be made into a constituent country of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland and Long Island? A 6-million strong population who consider themselves Britons would surely prefer direct representation in Parliament, instead of remaining an Overseas Territory - which are legally not considered part of the UK. A popular movement advocating for full integration would have undoubtedly emerged by the early 20th century, at the latest.
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This reminds me, that a number of months ago, I watched a youTube video on the very topic!
Well I can't wait for the Crusade against the "Assyrian" Teuton.On occasion I come back to the idea of an alternate Britain (chiefly in a steampunk setting I suppose) which embraced the cultish British Israelism. A slow descent into theocracy, with most of the Anglican establishment being co-opted by the new cult, ensues, with the usual steampunk dystopia besides (enslaved working-class, aristocratic tyranny, "dark Satanic mills", etc.). I would sort of envisage other European nations similarly slipping into authoritarianisms of one kind or another (yet more accelerated Prussianism in the case of Germany, revolutionary excesses in France?)
I just thought I'd post it here in the event anyone found it interesting, I guess. I'm not immensely talented with maps, so I'm sure it comes across as rather simple.
Would kinda be funny having an European cold war between an "Anglo-Israelite" UK and a Germany which doesn't understand the connections with Assyria.
Alt-Napoleon conquers most of Europe and the Middle East, including Egypt. Emerges from the Great Pyramid, declares himelf Pharaoh. Combines enlightenment values with a distinctly uninformed early 19th century, Free Masonic understanding of Egypt.
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Pic related is Napoleon Boneparte circa 1811.
