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Sarthak

Sarthak

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This is a map of the Empire of the Himalayas that appeared in British newspapers in 1880. The Empire of the Himalayas is a confederal empire consisting of the Kingdom of Nepal, Theocracy of Tibet, Kingdom of Bhutan and the Kingdom of Sikkim.​
 
Aeqouria

Aeqouria

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In the same universe as this and this, this map is of the Province of Huronia, a majority Francophone province with a sizeable Anglophone minority. The Province has played an important role in the United Provinces of America since the beginning of the revolution in 1837 along with its fellow Francophone majority provinces of Ontario, Quebec and Louisiana.
 

Bleh

deleonism said:
tfw human suffering and genocide on an unimaginable scale is prevented by the nazis being put down early, but it's bad because small poland or something
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It's profoundly strange though. The Allies intervened when the Nazis invaded, but when the Soviets did they just... sat on their hands?
 
Unkown00

Unkown00

So When I posted my Map on R/Imaginary Maps Apparently it only show the Link and not the actual picture

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Is there a mistake I made?
 
Crazymachines

Crazymachines

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Bleh said:
It's profoundly strange though. The Allies intervened when the Nazis invaded, but when the Soviets did they just... sat on their hands?
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tell me, after two years of fighting, do you really think france and britain would just up and declare war on the SU immediately after beating germany? good luck selling that to your voters.
 
Pantegral

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ohlourdespadua said:
I was thinking about it along the lines of interwar Italy and Germany/France: the former despite being one of the victors slides into fascism and the latter due to the trauma of war and the massive amounts of blood, money, and idealism sunk down the war drain that they came out empty and angry (ala Freikorps). I can even see them be like the British Empire: they eon but ended up getting their empire torn to bits due to internal instability...
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Imperial overreach is certainly a factor, as I've said; domestic rebellion causing a rapid internal collapse (like Imperial Germany) or postwar bankruptcy and resource exhaustion leading to a painful, yet gradual decline (like Britain) would have both been likely outcomes for Fallout America. But the SM vending machine is a singularity-level technology that changes everything. Imagine if two years after WWI ended, British scientists suddenly invented a machine that eliminates scarcity. Would the British Empire then endure the same slow-motion collapse as in OTL? The most important thing it gives the US is time - to pacify its population, reform its political order, restore its exhausted raw materials and energy supply chains, and cement its position as unchallenged global hegemon.
 

Bleh

Crazymachines said:
tell me, after two years of fighting, do you really think france and britain would just up and declare war on the SU immediately after beating germany? good luck selling that to your voters.
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I think you're underestimating how profoundly uncomfortable the USSR made every other country
 
Historyman 14

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Aztekk said:
Some context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatti_di_Rovereta

The 1957 coup orchestrated by the Sammarinese Communist Party culminated with the Battle of Rovereta, between Italian Carabinieri and communist irregulars. On the orders of the PCS, Sammarinese Gendarmes attacked the abandoned factory where the anti-communist, self-declared provisional government of San Marino was convening. On 4 October, pro-communist forces and the Gendarmes overwhelmed the Italian armed presence and captured the provisional government. That same evening, the Regency declared the formal dissolution of the Grand and General Council, and the cancelation of elections. They assumed "emergency controls and powers", declaring Italy's reaction an attempted invasion and an attack on San Marino's sovereignty. Italy responded by severing diplomatic ties and surrounding the small country with military forces. This action received diplomatic support from the United States. By 10 October, some 4,000 Italian troops had been assembled, ready to occupy San Marino.

It appeared as if a military intervention was inevitable. However, the course of history was altered when, on the morning of 11 October, the Soviet ambassador to Italy, Semyon Kozyrev, landed on Rimini and was escorted to the Sammarinese city of Dogana, where he was readily welcomed by the PCS. The presence of a Soviet diplomat in San Marino halted all military plans. Representing the USSR, Kozyrev and the PCS signed the Treaty of Fraternal Friendship and Solidarity. It's main provision was the admittance of San Marino as a "honorific member" of the Warsaw Pact - pending confirmation by both sides. This afforded San Marino protection as part of the collective security framework. Moscow declared San Marino "a friend and ally of the Soviet Union", stating that any aggression against it would be liable to retaliation from the remainder of the Warsaw Pact. Italy subsequently pulled back its forces.

San Marino was a unique strategic asset of the Soviet Union. Its location deep within the West afforded it unparalleled reach behind the Iron Curtain. This "stronghold of communism", infuriatingly untouchable by NATO, was a major headache for the United States. Early on it was used as a base for espionage operations, and it served as an important connection to Italy's flourishing communist movement. Italy and the U.S. maintained a strong military presence around San Marino, but were nevertheless incapable of fully neutralizing its usefulness to the Soviets.

In 1960, the CIA produced reports that a large airport was being built in a rural corner of Domagnano municipality. It had a large runway measuring 200 meters in length and 45 meters in width. This was followed by frequent flights of Antonov An-12 medium-range transport aircraft coming in from Pécs, Hungary. This activity was closely monitored by the CIA; however, no conclusive data was obtained. Soviet and Sammarinese authorities claimed these were shipments of technical and humanitarian supplies. A CIA report dated August 1961 establishes that it was more likely "ballistic military technology", which was supported by the construction of silos and launch pads in San Marino. However, it was merely speculation, and without definitive evidence it was impossible to ascertain the true nature of these activities.

On 15 October, U-2 spy planes obtained images of what appeared to be nuclear missiles in San Marino. These were correctly identified by the National Photographic Interpretation Center (NPIC). The following morning, National Security Advisor McGeorge Bundy briefed President Kennedy on the matter. He subsequently contacted the diplomatic envoys of Italy and France, believed to be the nations most at risk. On 18 October, an emergency session of NATO was convened, in which Defense Secretary Robert McNamara announced to the world the discovery of these missiles. Logistical limitations meant that the missiles were short-range, with an estimated radius of roughly 400 miles. However, this still included most of the Italian peninsula, as well as the French island of Sardinia and vast swathes of Yugoslavia.

Kennedy authorized an emergency deployment of U.S. forces to the border with San Marino, ordered the military to an alert level of DEFCON 3, and mobilized existing nuclear warheads in Italy and Turkey. Italian Prime Minister Amintore Fanfani was in favor of a peaceful resolution. This was viewed unfavorably by the Americans and by right-wing elements in Italy, with the understanding being that any agreement that resulted in the survival of communist San Marino was unacceptable. Foreign minister Guiseppe Pella vividly protested this position.

Particularly worrisome was the presence of Soviet nuclear submarines in the Mediterranean, detected on the 22nd north of Brindisi. The U.S. responded by dispatching its own naval patrol, including the aircraft carrier USS Coral Sea, which was detached from duty in East Asia two months prior. The Soviets justified their naval incursions by claiming that Soviet civilian shipping was being attacked by NATO in an attempt to provoke a war. On the 23rd, a Russian submarine carrying nuclear weapons emerged right off the coast of Pesaro, south and east from Rimini. Italian coast defenders interpreted this as an attack and readied for retaliation. In truth, the submarine had suffered damage in an underwater collision and was unaware of its actual position, so it surfaced to ascertain it. Realizing its mistake, it backed off, mere minutes before coming under attack.

The Pesaro Incident convinced most of the Italian government of the Soviets' true intentions, and San Marino was now seen as an existential threat to Italy. Fanfani was unfazed, and he continued to pressure Kennedy for a peaceful resolution. Things went to a head when he formally proposed the removal of U.S. nuclear missiles from the Apulia region, in exchange for a similar withdrawal by the Soviets in San Marino. When word leaked to the Cabinet, they signed a formal letter to Parliament demanding a vote of no confidence. Seeing this, Fanfani resigned early on the 25th, to be replaced by Pella. He quickly rescinded any overtures made to Washington, and made it clear that anything short of unconditional capitulation from the Soviets was off the table.

Bonus material: https://books.google.ca/books?id=slYEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&pg=PA79#v=onepage&q&f=true
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This is so insane and real and more at the same time.

What's going in say Cuba give San Marino of all places is taking the place of the OTL Missile Crisis.

What will happen going forward?
 
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