Malê Rising

[wannis]

Again, masterful. Andorra la Vella at war; guess it's not just Congo and the Amazon that are worse off than OTL.

Yes, that certainly was unexpected! Will this lead to any changes in the construct of two Co-Princes (perhaps the Bishop being replaced by the Spanish King or the Bishop simply losing any residual rights), or will this blow over?
That reminds me - what happened to the other small European states ITTL? Are Luxemburg and Liechtenstein part of the German Empire or of the Zollverein (Liechtenstein would be an exclave in that case, except if Germany had snatched Vorarlberg during the war)? Does Monaco have a border with Italy? Is it involved in the French troubles as well? Is San Marino independent or was it annexed to Italy together with the Papal states? I assume that Montenegro is still independent and wasn't united with Serbia like IOTL?

 

[Julius Vogel]

Talking about novels.

We have a science fiction author as French prime minister but what's his English equivalent been doing?

The war years are the exact point where H G Wells is writing his great stories.

Has he done so in TTL.

He is I notice exactly the right age to be conscripted.

And surely the Great War produced the equivalent of OTL's war poetry and novels?

Speaking of which OTL produced poetry from the victorious side but novels from the losing side (roughly speaking of course).

Perhaps in TTL the great novel of the Great War will be written by Marcel Proust or Andre Gide.

We may even have another candidate PM/science fiction writer about - Or recently passed anyway. My namesake was PM of NZ in OTL 1870s, but after he resigned, in 1888, he wrote a sci-fi novel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini_2000_–_A_Woman's_Destiny

 

[Falecius]

Yes, that certainly was unexpected! Will this lead to any changes in the construct of two Co-Princes (perhaps the Bishop being replaced by the Spanish King or the Bishop simply losing any residual rights), or will this blow over?
That reminds me - what happened to the other small European states ITTL? Are Luxemburg and Liechtenstein part of the German Empire or of the Zollverein (Liechtenstein would be an exclave in that case, except if Germany had snatched Vorarlberg during the war)? Does Monaco have a border with Italy? Is it involved in the French troubles as well? Is San Marino independent or was it annexed to Italy together with the Papal states? I assume that Montenegro is still independent and wasn't united with Serbia like IOTL?

Monaco Borders Italy.
I don't remember what happened ultimately with Switzerland, but there was speculation it may end up with Vorarlberg, although I think Jonathan rejected this idea.
I suppose that Luxemburg will be if not part of the German Empire very firmly in German orbit.

San Marino is interesting.
As butterflies ITTL involve Garibaldi's life early on, the place starts diverging in 1848 (posssibly earlier) and might very easily become a part of this subtly different Italy.
Montenegro is on the losing side of the war, but will probably remain independent just because the Ottomans don't want any more trouble with its people.

 

[galileo-034]

The situation in Andorra could prompt France to dispatch a contingent to defend the Andorran passes or at least train the Andorran ''army''. But before, there would be to precise the situation of Languedoc and Perpignan to know what extent could reach the French intervention.

Languedoc in the late 19th century is the main producer of wine in France (hence a crisis of surproduction which led to the riots of 1907). This land of winemakers was traditionnally, not unlike Catalonia, of socialist orientation.
Coincidentally, with Algeria being torn apart by civil war, its wine production would fall drastically and Languedoc would regain advantage in the aftermath of the civil war with competition of Algerian wine disappearing for some time.

If I may suggest a commander for this theater of operations, I would give the name of Joseph Joffre, a native of Rivesaltes in Roussillon and pupil of the highschool where I'm studying. By 1897 IOTL, Joffre was colonel but war could have accelerated his carreer. As a native of the region, it would be easier for him to earn the respect and loyalty of the locals.

It may be an unimportant detail, but the fortifications of Perpignan weren't dismantled before the mid 1900's IOTL, so they are still there by the time of the civil war.
Link to pictures of the old Perpignan and its former fortifications: http://kikiarg.perso.neuf.fr/nouveautes.html

And I suspect that Corsica would be loyal to the Bonapartes, the children of the country. However, I've some concern about the island. During the Second Empire of OTL, the island didn't benefit greatly from the major public works that Napoleon III carried mainly on the continent.

 

[eschaton]

Going back a few updates, what happened to Hungarian Banat? Most of it ended up in Romania IOTL (some went to Serbia). You referenced southern Transylvania going to Romania ITTL, so it presumably may have here too.

IOTL in 1900, the Hungarian population there was fairly small (12%), but the German population was far more substantive (25%). So if it remained part of Hungary, the local German population would be under significant threat, whereas if under Romania they could theoretically stay put.

I mostly ask because my maternal grandmother's family were Banat Germans. Although given the POD my great grandparents probably don't exist ITTL, they lived in the area for centuries, so allohistorical "cousins" probably do.

 

[Ridwan Asher]

Agreed, if the Ethical Policy is implemented throughout the DEI. Right now the Dutch are moving toward a system of separate administration similar to the British Raj, in which the core areas are directly administered and the princely states on the periphery aren't. If the Bugis, for instance, aren't integrated into the Javanese civil service and educational system, they might not develop a common identity, especially since they're doing fine as they are.

On the other hand, I think you're right that the world wants a unified East Indies in order to prevent a scramble, and that will mean some degree of economic and political exchange between Java and the princely states. There will also be exchanges via Islamic teachers. And the princely-state system didn't exactly prevent a unified nationalism from occurring in India, did it? So an *Indonesian identity may be in the cards for the future. I'll see what seems more natural when I get there, I guess.



Well, keep in mind that the Sultan has his own reasons to call for an independent East Indies - he figures that if the Dutch move out, he can become the patron of all the islands as he is for Aceh. The Javanese nationalists are well aware of this, and are thus somewhat skeptical.

Tolstoy's reason is an aversion to colonialism in general (I'll refer you again to his Letter to a Hindu, which makes clear what he thinks of the Raj in India) and Verne was reacting emotionally to the stories of the Javanese women; the other powers talked him out of it later.

At any rate I do suspect that the Netherlands, once it is pushed by world opinion to grant concessions to the Javanese, will try to encourage and shape the formation of a national identity, in the hope of forming a dual monarchy or some other final status where they retain a hold.

Sorry for the very late reply here.

First I'm going to ask you here whether if you know how Princely States were governed by British Raj. Frankly, I don't know much about it. I do know that Malayan Rajahs under the British were basically under the dictation of the resident-advisors sent to them. Was that also the case in India ?

About Zelfbesturen, here's what I know about it : the system of zelfbesturen was basically assimilating the local rulers into colonial bureaucracy. Their ministers were filled in by Dutch officers and they were put under salary from Batavia. That was the universal rule. Indeed, Dutch administration of East Indies tended to be centralist and top-down. I suspect that had several causes : 1) It was a continuation from Daendels era policy, which was continued by the British occupiers after him, and the Netherlands crown rule after the British. 2) The trauma from Java War that taught them to accommodate the local ruling class into colonial rule more thoroughly. 3) Indonesian native polities generally were, not very reliably stable, small in size, and all feudal with little to no semblance of bureaucracy. Batavia was the unchallenged hegemon in every island already, except, barely so, in Sumatra.

So I'm not sure how to make zelfbesturens on the level of Princely state, but perhaps they can get a somewhat longer leash somehow, but I still can't picture exactly how it'd look like. Growing up federalism from bottom up though, I think is out of question. Royal Netherlands' East Indies was by default a unitarian body because of how it started and the nature of native polities it later absorbed. Their illiberal tendencies also didn't help. Unified identity will come, then the question over federalism will follow during the negotiation process to self-rule.

 

[Badshah]

First I'm going to ask you here whether if you know how Princely States were governed by British Raj. Frankly, I don't know much about it. I do know that Malayan Rajahs under the British were basically under the dictation of the resident-advisors sent to them. Was that also the case in India ?

It depends, actually. Some states were effectively self-governing in internal affairs, while Britain controlled all their exterior obligations, while many were similar to the Malayan Rajahs, with a lot of in-betweens.

 

[Jonathan Edelstein]

Again, masterful. Andorra la Vella at war; guess it's not just Congo and the Amazon that are worse off than OTL.

Full points for giving us a TL where there will eventually be a war movie set in Andorra.

I hadn't planned for anything to happen in Andorra - things tend to happen there at intervals of about sixty years, so they weren't due for anything major until the 1920s or 30s. But then I realized that, given who the sides in the French civil war are, a mini-state whose co-princes are the Emperor of France and a member of the Spanish ecclesiastical hierarchy would find itself in a very awkward position.

Andorra won't be at war very long. Spain will move to seal the border as soon as it hears about this incident - the last thing it wants is to get dragged into the civil war on the rebel side, especially now that the Emperor is winning. There will be some sporadic attempts by ex-Legion volunteers to force their way through, but nothing as big as the battle that just happened.

There will, however, indeed be at least one war movie set there, as well as a novel or two.

As was Zola's 'Debacle' the great war novel of the 1890s in OTL.

Note that Zola does exist in TTL - he was born in 1840 - and is currently a member of the French parliament who has taken leave to serve as an officer in the civil war. He'll write a war novel, although it may be about the civil war rather than the Great War.

The irony.

War, politics, strange bedfellows.

The socialist and anarchist volunteers aren't fighting for the Emperor so much as against the attempt to turn France into a quasi-Rexist authoritarian state, but yeah, it's ironic that they would join an imperial army, even if the empire will be a left-leaning one for a while.

I assume that some of the Papal Legion were from Ireland.

If they cause trouble when they return home the British government might see 'outside influences' being behind any Irish Republican trouble.

Not only that, but they'll be a very uneasy fit with the more left-leaning members of the home rule/independence movement, and as in OTL, there will be quite a bit of infighting among the Irish nationalists. And no, this isn't a spoiler for the next update, really it's not.

Yes, that certainly was unexpected! Will this lead to any changes in the construct of two Co-Princes (perhaps the Bishop being replaced by the Spanish King or the Bishop simply losing any residual rights), or will this blow over?

Spain is going to put serious pressure on the Bishop to cede his rights to the Spanish crown, because it can't have him using his position as Andorran co-prince to involve Spanish nationals in foreign adventures. There will also be some pressure for domestic reforms in Andorra - at this point, only heads of household could vote or hold office (the 24 members of the General Council were elected by fewer than 1000 voters), but now the younger men with military training will want a say. Not the women just yet - Andorra is conservative about such things, and there isn't really a feminist movement in the Pyrenees at this point.

The blowback won't be limited to Andorra, though. The Spanish government, which is liberal, has a problem with many of the right-wing bishops the Pope has been appointing, as well as his failure to rein in the demobilized Legion veterans who are joining right-wing movements and fighting in the streets. Postwar Spain is finding the Pope a somewhat uneasy guest, especially when he acts like an independent head of state, and their relations are headed for an Investiture Controversy-style conflict. The Pope may end up changing addresses again.

That reminds me - what happened to the other small European states ITTL? Are Luxemburg and Liechtenstein part of the German Empire or of the Zollverein (Liechtenstein would be an exclave in that case, except if Germany had snatched Vorarlberg during the war)? Does Monaco have a border with Italy? Is it involved in the French troubles as well? Is San Marino independent or was it annexed to Italy together with the Papal states? I assume that Montenegro is still independent and wasn't united with Serbia like IOTL?

Monaco Borders Italy.

I don't remember what happened ultimately with Switzerland, but there was speculation it may end up with Vorarlberg, although I think Jonathan rejected this idea.

I suppose that Luxemburg will be if not part of the German Empire very firmly in German orbit.

San Marino is interesting. As butterflies ITTL involve Garibaldi's life early on, the place starts diverging in 1848 (posssibly earlier) and might very easily become a part of this subtly different Italy.

Montenegro is on the losing side of the war, but will probably remain independent just because the Ottomans don't want any more trouble with its people.

Falecius is correct about Monaco, San Marino and Montenegro - the Ottomans would only take the latter back if someone forced them.

Luxembourg is not part of Germany - it managed to stay neutral, and unlike Belgium, took its neutrality seriously - but is in the Zollverein and very closely connected to the German economy.

Liechtenstein is independent, for lack of any other option - it wouldn't join Germany given its princely house's connection to Austria, and it doesn't really want to become part of a rump Austrian state with problems of its own.

Vorarlberg may have wanted to join Switzerland as it did in OTL, but also as in OTL, the Swiss didn't want it due to demographic and religious factors. It's still Austrian.

We may even have another candidate PM/science fiction writer about - Or recently passed anyway. My namesake was PM of NZ in OTL 1870s, but after he resigned, in 1888, he wrote a sci-fi novel

He was PM for a while in TTL too. During the war, he was NZ's agent in London, and took part in the negotiations to form Australasia. And yes, he did write a sci-fi/feminist novel, although not exactly the same one.

The situation in Andorra could prompt France to dispatch a contingent to defend the Andorran passes or at least train the Andorran ''army''. But before, there would be to precise the situation of Languedoc and Perpignan to know what extent could reach the French intervention.

The rebel side is strong in parts of southern France but Languedoc is loyal. The French army will want to secure Languedoc in order to cut the rebels off from foreign support, and part of this will involve guarding the Pyrenees passes and training the Andorrans to fend off infiltrators. I agree that Joffre, or more precisely his ATL-brother, would be a good commander for this theater. He would be a major-general at this time and, as you say, would be able to handle the local politics very well.

Interesting point about Algerian wine production - yes, I think Languedoc would have a chance to get its position back.

Corsica is indeed loyal, and along with Marseilles is an important part of the naval war. They'll want to be rewarded for it afterward; hopefully this would happen.

Going back a few updates, what happened to Hungarian Banat? Most of it ended up in Romania IOTL (some went to Serbia). You referenced southern Transylvania going to Romania ITTL, so it presumably may have here too.

Yes, Romania did get most of the Banat, although Hungary and Romania are currently fighting over that and other territories. The Banat Germans will probably take the Romanian side and, assuming Romania can keep this territory, will stay where they are.

First I'm going to ask you here whether if you know how Princely States were governed by British Raj. Frankly, I don't know much about it. I do know that Malayan Rajahs under the British were basically under the dictation of the resident-advisors sent to them. Was that also the case in India ?

It did work this way in India, although in practice, some of the princely states - especially the bigger and more developed ones - were able to negotiate autonomy in internal affairs.

In terms of princely states in Indonesia, I was thinking less of the Zelfbesturen in Java than those in Borneo and Sulawesi, which (from what I understand) kept somewhat more of their territorial control rather than simply becoming high-level bureaucrats. Many of them have of course been subjugated by this time and others will be co-opted during the early twentieth century, but the Bugis and a couple of others have been able to get more autonomy through successful military resistance. They'll probably remain somewhat distinct, although the influence of TTL's Islamic liberalism and the Hadhrami economic networks will provide links to the center, so maybe a unified nationalism would develop from this.

 

[Neoteros]

Does Italy own Roccabruna (Roquebrune-Cap-Martin) too? It was in a federation of sorts with Mentone between the 1848 revolt against Charles III Grimaldi and the informal annexation (wanted by the local population) to the Savoia-ruled County of Nice - even though both Roccabruna and Mentone kept being Monegasque territory de jure.

San Marino being Italian territory... it's weird, you didn't say anything about it before. Maybe I missed a post or two?

 

[Ridwan Asher]

In terms of princely states in Indonesia, I was thinking less of the Zelfbesturen in Java than those in Borneo and Sulawesi, which (from what I understand) kept somewhat more of their territorial control rather than simply becoming high-level bureaucrats. Many of them have of course been subjugated by this time and others will be co-opted during the early twentieth century, but the Bugis and a couple of others have been able to get more autonomy through successful military resistance. They'll probably remain somewhat distinct, although the influence of TTL's Islamic liberalism and the Hadhrami economic networks will provide links to the center, so maybe a unified nationalism would develop from this.

Even IOTL Sulawesi contributed fewer students to universities in Java, and they were more Manadonese then Bugis. I still don't get what you mean by Ethical Policy to be only implemented in Java though. So western-style schools won't be opened outside of Java to groom native will-be-civil servants ? Other islands won't send their brighter youths to universities in Batavia and Yogyakarta ? That Javanese will be sent to other islands to fill in the bureaucracy there ? That sure can sew the seeds for resentment against Javanese later, but what will the Dutch get from this ? Perhaps aiding to centralize the administration. I don't see how this will prevent aspirations for united East Indies State though perhaps it will be downright Java-centric and opposed by outer islands. Why do this though ? Why don't just treat the inlanders as monolithic people and East Indies as one country as intended to be ? Why not simply groom and recruit locals for local civil service, instead of importing Javanese officers ?

 

[Jonathan Edelstein]

Does Italy own Roccabruna (Roquebrune-Cap-Martin) too? It was in a federation of sorts with Mentone between the 1848 revolt against Charles III Grimaldi and the informal annexation (wanted by the local population) to the Savoia-ruled County of Nice - even though both Roccabruna and Mentone kept being Monegasque territory de jure.

San Marino being Italian territory... it's weird, you didn't say anything about it before. Maybe I missed a post or two?

If Monaco borders Italy, then Italy must own Roccabruna, which I would guess was part of the Mentone cession.

I never mentioned anything about San Marino before, because the focus of TTL hasn't really been on Italy. But in OTL, the reason San Marino was able to stay independent was that it gave shelter to many Italian nationalists. In TTL, with Garibaldi spending much more time in South America and being a member of the Piratini government for a while, most of those people took shelter in Piratini, the Southern Cone or elsewhere in Europe rather than going to San Marino. This meant, as Falecius implied, that San Marino didn't have as many favors to call in during the Risorgimento.

I tend to defer to Falecius on matters of Italian history because he is much more knowledgeable about it than I am. But if anyone has strong feelings why San Marino would still be independent in TTL, I'm certainly willing to change my mind. I do think the world could always use more microstates.

Even IOTL Sulawesi contributed fewer students to universities in Java, and they were more Manadonese then Bugis. I still don't get what you mean by Ethical Policy to be only implemented in Java though. So western-style schools won't be opened outside of Java to groom native will-be-civil servants ? Other islands won't send their brighter youths to universities in Batavia and Yogyakarta ? That Javanese will be sent to other islands to fill in the bureaucracy there ?

What I meant was that some of the more autonomous "princely states" won't have much of a colonial bureaucracy - that, like Baroda or Travancore in India, the colonial power would be represented by a resident and maybe a few army officers but the civil service would otherwise be locally controlled. In the other parts of the outer islands that are less autonomous, there will be a colonial civil service, and there will as you say be schools to educate promising local youths.

On the other hand, even states like the Bugis sultanate will still send their sons to university in Batavia or even Amsterdam, wouldn't they? They won't have their own universities at this point in time. So I guess I agree with you that education and administration will tend to develop a unified nationalism over time - after all, such a movement did develop in India despite the many princely states. Only a couple of the maharajahs even tried to stay out, and I'd expect that the same or even less would be true in TTL's East Indies.

 

[Neoteros]

If Monaco borders Italy, then Italy must own Roccabruna, which I would guess was part of the Mentone cession.

I never mentioned anything about San Marino before, because the focus of TTL hasn't really been on Italy. But in OTL, the reason San Marino was able to stay independent was that it gave shelter to many Italian nationalists. In TTL, with Garibaldi spending much more time in South America and being a member of the Piratini government for a while, most of those people took shelter in Piratini, the Southern Cone or elsewhere in Europe rather than going to San Marino. This meant, as Falecius implied, that San Marino didn't have as many favors to call in during the Risorgimento.

I tend to defer to Falecius on matters of Italian history because he is much more knowledgeable about it than I am. But if anyone has strong feelings why San Marino would still be independent in TTL, I'm certainly willing to change my mind. I do think the world could always use more microstates.

Garibaldi once took shelter in San Marino, and promised its leaders he'd not annex the microstate if they protected him from Papal troops, in 1849. If he was in Piratini back then, San Marino will be part of Italy. He could spare the Republic because of his status of oldest surviving republic in the world, like Mussolini did, but I don't think so...

 

[Falecius]

Garibaldi once took shelter in San Marino, and promised its leaders he'd not annex the microstate if they protected him from Papal troops, in 1849. If he was in Piratini back then, San Marino will be part of Italy. He could spare the Republic because of his status of oldest surviving republic in the world, like Mussolini did, but I don't think so...

I suppose that Garibaldi was actually in Italy in 1849 ITTL, but his life was different enough to let us suppose the he did not seek shelter there.
My reasoning about Risorgimento is that Garibaldi went to Italy in 1848 or shortly before with an actual experience in government, a rather lasting one actually. This has far reaching consequences, as in Italy is signifcantly far more radical on average.
Jonathan stated that Risorgimento happened roughly like per OTL, roughly being the key word. My take is that Garibaldi's relatively more leftist approach would leave an imprint in TTL's Italy's, which is also much more anti-clerical with Rome as a running sore for decades.
I never tried to flesh out the actual events in detail , and actually I suggested a quite parallel rough sequence for Italy before TTL's Great War, except Rome remains Papal.
But San Marino's independence was pretty much a fluke IOTL, so I would assume it can be easily butterflied here. I have no firm stance on the matter, as in, there is no compelling reason in TTL'S events that would force an Italian San Marino. I believe it makes sense, but it's not inevitable.

 

[B_Munro]

Ok. It's rather late, I'm sleepy, and there may be errors, so consider this draft one: please let me know if you find anything seriously wrong.

Bruce

 

[eliphas8]

Actually looking at that map I have one question, what is the situation of the Mayan in ITTL? This seems like the perfect timeline for screwy weird counries like the Tran Santa Cruz Republic to prosper.

 

[B_Munro]

Actually looking at that map I have one question, what is the situation of the Mayan in ITTL? This seems like the perfect timeline for screwy weird counries like the Tran Santa Cruz Republic to prosper.

You'd have to ask Jonathan - I don't recall any mention of the Maya...

bed time.
Bye.

Bruce

 

[Scientist Shan]

Nice work.

I can't remember how Britain got control of Nyasaland ITTL. Was it the work of David Livingstone and suchlike?

 

[Analytical Engine]

Ok. It's rather late, I'm sleepy, and there may be errors, so consider this draft one: please let me know if you find anything seriously wrong.

Bruce

I don't recall Japan being given Kamchatka, nor Lithuania and Latvia being made independent - the peace conference post explicitly stated Baltic ports being allowed into the Zollverein(sic), Hansa-style.

IIRC, autonomy Ottoman Yemen was supposed to be a term for the cease-fire negotiations between the Russians and BOG forces fighting in southern Arabia. (EDIT: actually, I was thinking north Yemen (the mostly Shia-bit), but on closer inspection of the map (d'oh) I see some south Yemeni (mostly Sunni) autonomus thingies on it.)

Why is South Australia being given the UCS Australian Territory colour? And shouldn't Fiji be in this colour as well? Actually, given that it's more of a loose-confederation thing, wouldn't just having it being outlined with the Australia colour be better?

Actually, I'm not too sure of the internal borders given for Germany. Johnathan did say (or imply, anyway) that, although Hanover was seperate, Prussia still annexed Hesse-Kassel and Nassau in whatever passed for the Seven-Weeks' War*. Or have I got the wrong end of the stick there? (did an equivalent to that war even happen ITTL? )

Shouldn't Georgia and Armenia be given colours to indicate Ottoman influence? And why is Laos seperate , wasn't it returned to Siam during the Washington Conference? And Bhutan should be given the British Protectorate colour, not Nepal, as the latter was never really under de jure British domination (though that could be different ITTL).

Otherwise, standard levels of B_Munroist awesomeness.

EDIT AGAIN: I see that you have the Ionian Islands being British, when Jonathan has confirmed them as being Greek.

EDIT AGAIN (AGAIN): Oh, and Grao Para is very deffinitely not part of Brazil, no matter what the irridentists say. It is, however, a state in personal union with Brazil, but with lots of autonomy (your autonomy may vary, batteries not included, colour may vary from that shown here).



*He did say the confederation had 28 members, including those of the OTL German Empire (minus A-L), but including Hanover and now Salzburg (which probably covers the Innviertel and some adjacent bits, as well as Austrian Salzburg as far south as the city).

Actually, what status does the Sudetenland(sic) even have in Germany, anyway?

 

[Dominic]

Great map - one question, why is South Australia a territory? If NT is still part of it, the whole thing will be the state of "South" Australia. Although I suppose Adelaide doesn't really deserve proper senate representation.

Question to Jonathon now - what sort of political structure does Australiasia have? Is it essentially the same as OTL Australia except with a few new states? Where would the capital be? At this point Melbourne will be the biggest city in the antipodeans, if the gold rush wasn't somehow butterflied away, which is doubtful. That said, Sydney was always going to catch up and pass it. Of course, New Zealand will have quite a few things to say about that, as well as relations with the natives... So I'm guessing it will be different to the federalism we know and tolerate in OTL Australia. Still, federalism in early 20th century Australia was a fair bit more decentralised than today, so it doesn't need to be that much different to give NZ and Fiji a decent level of autonomy. Sadly Canberra will probably not exist, at least in the same place.

 

[Nanwe]

Spain is going to put serious pressure on the Bishop to cede his rights to the Spanish crown, because it can't have him using his position as Andorran co-prince to involve Spanish nationals in foreign adventures. There will also be some pressure for domestic reforms in Andorra - at this point, only heads of household could vote or hold office (the 24 members of the General Council were elected by fewer than 1000 voters), but now the younger men with military training will want a say. Not the women just yet - Andorra is conservative about such things, and there isn't really a feminist movement in the Pyrenees at this point.

The blowback won't be limited to Andorra, though. The Spanish government, which is liberal, has a problem with many of the right-wing bishops the Pope has been appointing, as well as his failure to rein in the demobilized Legion veterans who are joining right-wing movements and fighting in the streets. Postwar Spain is finding the Pope a somewhat uneasy guest, especially when he acts like an independent head of state, and their relations are headed for an Investiture Controversy-style conflict. The Pope may end up changing addresses again.

Actually, the kings of Spain has had since the late 1400s, early 1500s the faculty to advice the Pope on whom to appoint as bishops for the Spanish bishoprics, which if the monarchs used in a more liberal manner, could mean they could appoint the bishops themselves regardless of the Pope's own beliefs.

Of course such a reactionary Pope will be a tremendous problem for the development of the political Catholicism based on OTL's Rerum Novarum of the likes of Eduardo Dato and will only make the opponents of the monarchy, which would support the Church financially (even with a more liberal, 1869 style constitution) bolder and particularly the republicans. I suppose Barcelona's constant (pre-)revolutionary situation (depending on the day and the mood of employers and employees) will only worsen.