List alternate PMs or Presidents
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From my new TL, A House Divided (link in sig):
Presidents of the United States
1825-1829: John Quincy Adams (DR-MA)/John Caldwell Calhoun (DR-SC)
1824: Andrew Jackson, William Crawford, Henry Clay
1829-1833: Andrew Jackson (Jacksonian-TN)/John Caldwell Calhoun (Jacksonian-SC)
1828: John Quincy Adams/Richard Rush ("Adams Men")
1833-1837: Andrew Jackson (D-TN)/Philip Pendleton Barbour (D-VA)
1832: Henry Clay/John Sergeant (Republican), William Wirt/Amos Ellmaker (Anti-Masonic), John Caldwell Calhoun/John Floyd (Nullifier)
1837-1841: William Henry Harrison (R-OH)/Willie Person Mangum (R-NC)
1836: Philip Pendleton Barbour/William Wilkins (Democratic)
1841-1841: William Henry Harrison (R-OH)/Willie Person Mangum (R-NC)
1840: Roger Brooke Taney/Levi Woodbury (Democratic)
1841-1845: Willie Person Mangum (R-NC)/vacant
1845-1849: Willie Person Mangum (R-NC)/Rufus Choate (R-MA)
1844: Lewis Cass/John Fairfield ("Regular" Democratic), Martin Van Buren/John Parker Hale ("Locofoco" Democratic)
Presidents of Mexico
1824-1829: Guadelupe Victoria (Liberal)
1824: Nicolás Bravo (Conservative)
1829-1833: Manuel Gómez Pedraza (Moderate Liberal)
1828: Vicente Guerrero (Radical Liberal), Anastasio Bustamante (Conservative)
1833-1833: Antonio López de Santa Anna (Independent)
1832: Vicente Guerrero (Radical Liberal)
1833-1833: Miguel Barragán (Moderate Liberal) (acting)
1833-1834: Antonio López de Santa Anna (Centralist)
1834-1834: Miguel Barragán (Moderate Liberal) (acting)
1834-1837: Antonio López de Santa Anna (Centralist)
1837-1839: Valentin Gómez Farías (Moderate Liberal)
1836: Nicolás Bravo (Conservative)
1839-1840: Antonio López de Santa Anna (Centralist)
1840-1841: José Justo Corro (Conservative) (acting)
1841-1844: José Joaquín Herrera (Moderate Liberal)
1840: José Justo Corro (Conservative)
1844-18XX: Anastasio Bustamante (Conservative)
Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
1827-1834: George Canning ("Canningite" Tory leading Canningite-Whig Coalition)
1830: Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, 3rd Marquess of Lansdowne (Whig), Sir Edward Knatchbull ("Ultra" Tory)
1833: Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, 3rd Marquess of Lansdowne (Whig), Sir Edward Knatchbull ("Ultra" Tory)
1834-1835: William Huskisson ("Canningite" Tory leading Canningite-Whig Coalition)
1835-1837: Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, 3rd Marquess of Lansdowne (Whig majority)
1837-18XX: Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington (Tory majority)
1837: Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, 3rd Marquess of Lansdowne (Whig)
Presidents of the United States
1825-1829: John Quincy Adams (DR-MA)/John Caldwell Calhoun (DR-SC)
1824: Andrew Jackson, William Crawford, Henry Clay
1829-1833: Andrew Jackson (Jacksonian-TN)/John Caldwell Calhoun (Jacksonian-SC)
1828: John Quincy Adams/Richard Rush ("Adams Men")
1833-1837: Andrew Jackson (D-TN)/Philip Pendleton Barbour (D-VA)
1832: Henry Clay/John Sergeant (Republican), William Wirt/Amos Ellmaker (Anti-Masonic), John Caldwell Calhoun/John Floyd (Nullifier)
1837-1841: William Henry Harrison (R-OH)/Willie Person Mangum (R-NC)
1836: Philip Pendleton Barbour/William Wilkins (Democratic)
1841-1841: William Henry Harrison (R-OH)/Willie Person Mangum (R-NC)
1840: Roger Brooke Taney/Levi Woodbury (Democratic)
1841-1845: Willie Person Mangum (R-NC)/vacant
1845-1849: Willie Person Mangum (R-NC)/Rufus Choate (R-MA)
1844: Lewis Cass/John Fairfield ("Regular" Democratic), Martin Van Buren/John Parker Hale ("Locofoco" Democratic)
Presidents of Mexico
1824-1829: Guadelupe Victoria (Liberal)
1824: Nicolás Bravo (Conservative)
1829-1833: Manuel Gómez Pedraza (Moderate Liberal)
1828: Vicente Guerrero (Radical Liberal), Anastasio Bustamante (Conservative)
1833-1833: Antonio López de Santa Anna (Independent)
1832: Vicente Guerrero (Radical Liberal)
1833-1833: Miguel Barragán (Moderate Liberal) (acting)
1833-1834: Antonio López de Santa Anna (Centralist)
1834-1834: Miguel Barragán (Moderate Liberal) (acting)
1834-1837: Antonio López de Santa Anna (Centralist)
1837-1839: Valentin Gómez Farías (Moderate Liberal)
1836: Nicolás Bravo (Conservative)
1839-1840: Antonio López de Santa Anna (Centralist)
1840-1841: José Justo Corro (Conservative) (acting)
1841-1844: José Joaquín Herrera (Moderate Liberal)
1840: José Justo Corro (Conservative)
1844-18XX: Anastasio Bustamante (Conservative)
Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
1827-1834: George Canning ("Canningite" Tory leading Canningite-Whig Coalition)
1830: Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, 3rd Marquess of Lansdowne (Whig), Sir Edward Knatchbull ("Ultra" Tory)
1833: Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, 3rd Marquess of Lansdowne (Whig), Sir Edward Knatchbull ("Ultra" Tory)
1834-1835: William Huskisson ("Canningite" Tory leading Canningite-Whig Coalition)
1835-1837: Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, 3rd Marquess of Lansdowne (Whig majority)
1837-18XX: Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington (Tory majority)
1837: Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, 3rd Marquess of Lansdowne (Whig)
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A Blackhole on History
2017-2021: Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
2016: Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine (Democratic); Evan McMullin / Mindy Finn (Independent); Gary Johnson / William Weld (Libertarian)
2021-2023: Ted Cruz‡ / Pat Toomey (Action)
2023-2023: Mark Cuban / vacant (Independent)
2023-2025: Mark Cuban / Jon Huntsman Jr (Independent)
2020: Cory Booker / Julian Castro (Democratic); Evan McMullin / Mark Cuban (Independent); Mike Pence / Nikki Haley (Republican); Justin Amash / Robert Sarvis (Libertarian)
2025-2033: Chris Murphy / Amy Klobuchar (Democratic)
2024: Jon Huntsman Jr / Marco Rubio (Moderate); Tim Scott / John Thune (Republican)
2028: Elise Stefanik / Doug Ducey (Republican); Adam Kinzinger / Gwen Graham (Moderate)
2017-2021: Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
2016: Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine (Democratic); Evan McMullin / Mindy Finn (Independent); Gary Johnson / William Weld (Libertarian)
2021-2023: Ted Cruz‡ / Pat Toomey (Action)
2023-2023: Mark Cuban / vacant (Independent)
2023-2025: Mark Cuban / Jon Huntsman Jr (Independent)
2020: Cory Booker / Julian Castro (Democratic); Evan McMullin / Mark Cuban (Independent); Mike Pence / Nikki Haley (Republican); Justin Amash / Robert Sarvis (Libertarian)
2025-2033: Chris Murphy / Amy Klobuchar (Democratic)
2024: Jon Huntsman Jr / Marco Rubio (Moderate); Tim Scott / John Thune (Republican)
2028: Elise Stefanik / Doug Ducey (Republican); Adam Kinzinger / Gwen Graham (Moderate)
Baby, It's Cold Outside
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1951-1955: Winston Churchill (Conservative majority)
1951: Clement Attlee (Labour), Clement Davies (Liberal)
1955-1957: Anthony Eden (Conservative majority) [1]
1955: Clement Attlee (Labour) [2], Clement Davies (Liberal)
1957-1960: Selwyn Lloyd (Conservative majority) [3]
1960-1963: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour majority) [4]
1960: Selwyn Lloyd (Conservative), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1963-1969: Barbara Castle (Labour majority) [5]
1964: Iain Macleod (Conservative) [6], Jo Grimond (Liberal) [7]
1969-1972: Keith Joseph (Conservative minority with Liberal confidence and supply) [8]
1969: Barbara Castle (Labour), Richard Wainwright (Liberal)
[1] The short premiership of Anthony Eden was, in the eyes of many, an unmitigated disaster. Having won a great mandate against Attlee's divided Labour Party, it seemed as if the relative calm of Churchill's second premiership might continue on and on without any sign of turmoil on the horizon. It was not to be, however, as Eden made a series of miscalculations with regards to President Nasser's nationalisation of the Suez Canal. The international crisis it provoked, handled poorly by Eden's Foreign Secretary, Harold Macmillan, led to a chasm opening in Anglo-American relations (President Eisenhower refused to back Britain and France over their interventions into Egypt and saw to it that they would pay with a run on the pound in late 1956) and the weight of public opinion in Britain turning against the Conservative government.
[2] The expulsion of Nye Bevan from the Labour Party was a huge blow to the confidence of the Labour Party, which was facing an ideological crisis as it entered the 1955 election. Unprepared for facing criticisms from both left and right, Attlee stumbled into a second defeat and promptly resigned following the election. With Bevan out of the party and the right brimming with confidence, it was an easy win for Hugh Gaitskell and his faction in the election to succeed Attlee. The token left-wing candidate, Richard Crossman, was trounced by Gaitskell's 176 votes in the first round (Crossman managed only a paltry 59 votes; Herbert Morrison gained just 30 votes) in spite of the tiresome efforts of Bevanites like Ian Mikardo and Barbara Castle to rally the Labour left.
[3] The Conservative Party was in disarray when Eden resigned in January 1957, with the formerly expected candidates for leader - Rab Butler and Harold Macmillan - having been tainted by their closeness to Eden during the Suez Crisis (both had considerable factions aligned against them in the Parliamentary Conservative Party). The entire Cabinet might have seemed tainted by the affair, but one prominent member still had enough political capital and a lack of "bloodied hands" over the crisis to rise to become both leader of the party and Prime Minister. Selwyn Lloyd, Eden's Chancellor and self-appointed disciple, was recognised for his efforts in stabilising the pound after Eisenhower placed economic sanctions on Britain for the country's tactics in Egypt. Sadly for Selwyn, he would be unable to shake the Suez Crisis off of the Tories' collective backs and the burden of the disastrous intervention under Eden would plague any attempts by his government to commit to peace and decolonisation - Britain bore the scent of imperialism, whether deserved or not. Behind the international politics, however, a series of missteps in the economy - a lack of confidence leading to a lack of inward investment, making the government cut interest rates in a move that consequently backfires and sees erratic jumps in inflation - would culminate in massive public spending cuts under the new Chancellor, Peter Thorneycroft, and hammer the last nail into the coffin made for the Tories' electoral chances come 1960.
[4] Hugh Gaitskell was dealt an almost perfect hand: the Conservatives had made a mess of the economy and lost the public's trust, his opposition to Suez elevated his standing within his own party and the country at large, and Nye Bevan was left out in the cold by his expulsion. With 362 seats and a promise of industrial harmony and economic renewal, Labour began to reverse the disastrous decisions of the previous government. Bevan's death in July 1960 dampened the optimism of the new government, certainly, and the plans to have him readmitted into the party that summer were mournfully discarded upon the news. But, from 1960 to 1963, the government seemed to be getting back on track with an internal left-wing opposition divided amongst itself over whether to serve in Gaitskell's Cabinet or not and the Meyner administration across the pond championing greater co-operation with Britain. The sunny days of the early '60s grew cloudy with the coming of 1963, however, as a mysterious illness took the Prime Minister's life in January 1963. The interim leader of the party, Jim Callaghan, took over for a few weeks whilst a leadership election was held.
[5] Out of the misery of January 1963 came Barbara Castle, storming to victory against the Chancellor, Douglas Jay, and the opportunistic Colonial Secretary, Harold Wilson. The female firebrand, whilst in government as Minister of Education, had remodelled herself as the respectable face of Bevanism and promised unity when she came to power. Keeping many of Gaitskell's appointments (the only high-profile sacking was Douglas Jay, who was promptly replaced by Jim Callaghan) did little to allay the fears of the likes of Roy Jenkins and Tony Crosland, who viewed Castle as an "pain in the arse" for all social democrats in the party. Thus began the rumours of a coup perhaps taking place before the next general election, which was expected for 1965. This coup never got off the ground, however, and Castle used the election she called in June 1964 to sweep away the ardent Gaitskellites and try to bring nationalisation back onto the political agenda. This would ultimately prove disastrous as, in 1966, a Commons revolt took place to defeat the government's plans for steel renationalisation. The humiliation was just the first of many, leading to a lack of confidence in the leadership brewing and renewed calls for Castle to step down. The papers turned on her in 1967 after pushing Alfred Robens from the Ministry of Labour and replacing him with Ian Mikardo, which was viewed as a dangerous appointment born from "Bevanite patronage". The unions grew restless as time went by, demanding higher pay and causing serious breakdowns in industrial relations, and inflation shot up from 6% in 1965 to almost 15% in 1969. The hope for Labour, just like the hope for the Tories less than a decade earlier, had evaporated.
[6]
I rejigged an old list of mine in honour of the tragic and untimely passing of Jim Prentice, one of my political heroes. If it's not clear, this is based on the 2008-09 coalition crisis.
Prime Ministers of Canada
Paul Martin (Liberal) 2003-2006
Stephen Harper (Conservative) 2006-2008
Stephane Dion (Liberal-NDP coalition) 2008-2009
Bob Rae (Liberal-NDP coalition) 2009-2010
Jim Prentice (Conservative) 2010-2017
Chris Alexander (Conservative) 2017
Justin Trudeau (Liberal) 2017-
Canadian federal election, 2008
Stephen Harper (Conservative) 143 seats, 37.65%
Stephane Dion (Liberal) 77 seats, 26.26%
Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Quebecois) 49 seats, 9.98%
Jack Layton (New Democratic) 37 seats, 18.18%
Elizabeth May (Green) 0 seats, 6.78%
Previous government: conservative minority
Incoming government: conservative minority
Conservative Party of Canada leadership election, 2009
Jim Prentice
Vic Toews
Peter MacKay
Lawrence Cannon
Diane Finley
Jim Flaherty
Tony Clement
Rob Merrifield
Helena Guergis
Liberal Party of Canada leadership election, 2009
Bob Rae
Michael Ignatieff
Dominic LeBlanc
Canadian federal election, 2010
Jim Prentice (Conservative) 170 seats, 40.13%
Bob Rae (Liberal) 65 seats, 24.54%
Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Quebecois) 53 seats, 10.04%
Jack Layton (New Democratic) 19 seats, 15.45%
David Chernushenko (Green) 1 seat, 4.56%
Previous government: liberal-ndp coalition w/ bloc quebecois confidence-and-supply
Incoming government: conservative majority
Liberal Party of Canada leadership election, 2012
Justin Trudeau
Marc Garneau
Martha Hall Findlay
Martin Cauchon
Canadian federal election, 2014
Jim Prentice (Conservative) 158 seats, 36.38%
Justin Trudeau (Liberal) 99 seats, 28.52%
Thomas Mulcair (New Democratic) 58 seats, 21.58%
Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Quebecois) 21 seats, 5.38%
David Chernushenko (Green) 2 seats, 3.77%
Previous government: conservative majority
Incoming government: conservative minority
Canadian federal election, 2016
Jim Prentice (Conservative) 147 seats, 33.02%
Justin Trudeau (Liberal) 110 seats, 30.45%
Thomas Mulcair (New Democratic) 69 seats, 25.46%
Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Quebecois) 11 seats, 4.11%
David Chernushenko (Green) 1 seat, 3.37%
Previous government: conservative minority
Incoming government: conservative minority
Conservative Party of Canada leadership election, 2017
Chris Alexander
Jason Kenney
Diane Finley
Maxime Bernier
Kellie Leitch
Steven Blaney
Michael Chong
Brad Trost
Canadian federal election, 2017
Justin Trudeau (Liberal) 171 seats, 39.14%
Chris Alexander (Conservative) 104 seats, 30.52%
Thomas Mulcair (New Democratic) 57 seats, 20.65%
Mario Beaulieu (Bloc Quebecois) 4 seats, 2.71%
Adriane Carr (Green) 2 seats, 3.50%
Previous government: conservative minority
Incoming government: liberal majority
And just because I'm a firm believer Harper wouldn't be the type to stay out of politics...
Alberta general election, 2011
Stephen Harper (Progressive Conservative) 72 seats, 54.67%
Jeff Willerton (Wildrose) 6 seats, 20.27%
Brian Mason (New Democratic) 6 seats, 14.17%
Raj Sherman (Liberal) 3 seats, 8.98%
Glenn Taylor (Alberta) 0 seats, 1.21%
Alberta general election, 2015
Stephen Harper (Progressive Conservative) 51 seats, 42.59%
Rachel Notley (New Democratic) 29 seats, 37.18%
David Swann (Liberal) 4 seats, 11.13%
Greg Clark (Alberta) 2 seats, 6.34%
Rob Anders (Wildrose) 1 seat, 2.06%
Prime Ministers of Canada
Paul Martin (Liberal) 2003-2006
Stephen Harper (Conservative) 2006-2008
Stephane Dion (Liberal-NDP coalition) 2008-2009
Bob Rae (Liberal-NDP coalition) 2009-2010
Jim Prentice (Conservative) 2010-2017
Chris Alexander (Conservative) 2017
Justin Trudeau (Liberal) 2017-
Canadian federal election, 2008
Stephen Harper (Conservative) 143 seats, 37.65%
Stephane Dion (Liberal) 77 seats, 26.26%
Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Quebecois) 49 seats, 9.98%
Jack Layton (New Democratic) 37 seats, 18.18%
Elizabeth May (Green) 0 seats, 6.78%
Previous government: conservative minority
Incoming government: conservative minority
Conservative Party of Canada leadership election, 2009
Jim Prentice
Vic Toews
Peter MacKay
Lawrence Cannon
Diane Finley
Jim Flaherty
Tony Clement
Rob Merrifield
Helena Guergis
Liberal Party of Canada leadership election, 2009
Bob Rae
Michael Ignatieff
Dominic LeBlanc
Canadian federal election, 2010
Jim Prentice (Conservative) 170 seats, 40.13%
Bob Rae (Liberal) 65 seats, 24.54%
Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Quebecois) 53 seats, 10.04%
Jack Layton (New Democratic) 19 seats, 15.45%
David Chernushenko (Green) 1 seat, 4.56%
Previous government: liberal-ndp coalition w/ bloc quebecois confidence-and-supply
Incoming government: conservative majority
Liberal Party of Canada leadership election, 2012
Justin Trudeau
Marc Garneau
Martha Hall Findlay
Martin Cauchon
Canadian federal election, 2014
Jim Prentice (Conservative) 158 seats, 36.38%
Justin Trudeau (Liberal) 99 seats, 28.52%
Thomas Mulcair (New Democratic) 58 seats, 21.58%
Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Quebecois) 21 seats, 5.38%
David Chernushenko (Green) 2 seats, 3.77%
Previous government: conservative majority
Incoming government: conservative minority
Canadian federal election, 2016
Jim Prentice (Conservative) 147 seats, 33.02%
Justin Trudeau (Liberal) 110 seats, 30.45%
Thomas Mulcair (New Democratic) 69 seats, 25.46%
Gilles Duceppe (Bloc Quebecois) 11 seats, 4.11%
David Chernushenko (Green) 1 seat, 3.37%
Previous government: conservative minority
Incoming government: conservative minority
Conservative Party of Canada leadership election, 2017
Chris Alexander
Jason Kenney
Diane Finley
Maxime Bernier
Kellie Leitch
Steven Blaney
Michael Chong
Brad Trost
Canadian federal election, 2017
Justin Trudeau (Liberal) 171 seats, 39.14%
Chris Alexander (Conservative) 104 seats, 30.52%
Thomas Mulcair (New Democratic) 57 seats, 20.65%
Mario Beaulieu (Bloc Quebecois) 4 seats, 2.71%
Adriane Carr (Green) 2 seats, 3.50%
Previous government: conservative minority
Incoming government: liberal majority
And just because I'm a firm believer Harper wouldn't be the type to stay out of politics...
Alberta general election, 2011
Stephen Harper (Progressive Conservative) 72 seats, 54.67%
Jeff Willerton (Wildrose) 6 seats, 20.27%
Brian Mason (New Democratic) 6 seats, 14.17%
Raj Sherman (Liberal) 3 seats, 8.98%
Glenn Taylor (Alberta) 0 seats, 1.21%
Alberta general election, 2015
Stephen Harper (Progressive Conservative) 51 seats, 42.59%
Rachel Notley (New Democratic) 29 seats, 37.18%
David Swann (Liberal) 4 seats, 11.13%
Greg Clark (Alberta) 2 seats, 6.34%
Rob Anders (Wildrose) 1 seat, 2.06%
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If this happens I'm either going to literally kill myself or move anywhere else but America. Even Satan wouldn't dream of making Baraka president.
But he isn't President. He's only the acting President.
Do acting presidents get access to the launch codes?
Bucket of Warm Pisstopia (or, a Cactus implementing Poll Taxes on a Human Face - Forever)
1933-1939: Franklin D. Roosevelt / John Nance Garner (Democratic)
1932: Herbert Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1936: Alf Landon / W. Frank Knox (Republican)
1939-1941: John Nance Garner / Vacant (Democratic) [1]
1941-1945: John Nance Garner / Herbert R. O'Conor (Democratic)
1940: Patrick Jay Hurley / Arthur H. James (Republican) [2]
1945-1949: John Nance Garner / Charles Edison (Democratic) [3]
1944: Thomas E. Dewey / George H. Bender (Republican)
1949-: Harold H. Burton / Ralph L. Carr (Republican) [4]
1948: Henry F. Schricker / Mark W. Clark (Democratic)
[1] FDR’s heart finally gave out 6 years into his term and his controversial Vice President John Nance Garner – ended up doing fine? Garner halted most of FDR’s ongoing domestic agenda in its tracks – but his cutoff off oil exports to Japan led to a surprise attack on the Phillipines within months; and so the U.S. was dragged into WW2 – Garner’s need to ramp up the war effort put to rest any plans he might have had of minimal spending and budget balancing.
[2] The 1940 election occurred in the wake of vigorous fighting in the Pacific (Prime Minister Hata’s belief that the U.S. would quickly bow out of the war having been utterly misplaced) and to an even greater extent turmoil in France, as U.S. troops were also taken by surprise by the German blitzkrieg through the Low Countries and Ardennes (Indeed at times it was such a close run thing that it almost looked as if Germany would be able to break through completely and knock France out of the war) . Republicans were in a pickle – almost all of their Presidential candidates had just been isolationists – in the end dark horse and former Secretary of War Patrick Hurley got the nod, more for his military experience than anything else. Garner of course carried the day – continuation of the war effort being the most important thing in the minds of many Americans. Governor Herbert O’Conor was put onto the ticket to appease urban bosses and those saddened at the loss of FDR; becoming the first Catholic elected on a Presidential ticket (as a certain former Governor in New York wept in poorly concealed envy).
[3] Governor Charles Edison was swapped onto the ticket as a grudging concession to the left of the Democratic Party (and with President Garner at a whopping 75 years old and refusing to step down, many less open-minded people didn't want a Catholic so close to the presidency). Some more progressive Democrats were indeed considering breaking from Garner, frustrated with his retrograde policies on social and economic issues (and also because you know the two-party system breaking down into bizarre vote-splitting is totally something that happens all the time in America) but the whole freaking Invasion of the Home Islands going on at the time rather stayed their hand. Many Democrats then and now have also protested Garner exceeding the two term limit by a whole two years (although that’s nowadays largely subsumed into the debate of whether dropping the bomb on Nuremberg was justified).
[4] Dewey wanted a another try in 48, but Republicans were still miffed enough at him having lost an at least slightly ‘winnable’ election in 1944 that they went with moderate Ohioan Burton instead (with Senator Carr picked for VP to salvage the feelings of liberal Republicans who had wanted Dewey). The Democrats also faced hard times – Garner’s bid for a third term foundered in the face of cries of “It’s not what FDR would have done!” – and for a time it looked as if Garner’s designated heir James F. Byrnes would indeed get the nomination, split the party, and usher in some progressive third party drawing support from the Democrats. This was obvious enough that party leaders didn’t actually nominate Byrnes – instead it went to the moderate Schricker (with his VP being the popular successful general Mark Clark*). There was no split, just a rather obviously preordained Democratic defeat – after being in power for 16 years the Democrats would’ve have been kicked out no matter what (or so modern historians who speak in terms of movements instead of great men so wisely tell us). Burton had finally brought moderate Republicanism into the white house – and people were glad that Garner had been a stable leader in the aftermath of FDR.
*I have to say, Mark Clark is perhaps my favorite of all the people @Japhy has ever introduced in a list, I don’t know if it’s the originality or just because I like his name.
1933-1939: Franklin D. Roosevelt / John Nance Garner (Democratic)
1932: Herbert Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1936: Alf Landon / W. Frank Knox (Republican)
1939-1941: John Nance Garner / Vacant (Democratic) [1]
1941-1945: John Nance Garner / Herbert R. O'Conor (Democratic)
1940: Patrick Jay Hurley / Arthur H. James (Republican) [2]
1945-1949: John Nance Garner / Charles Edison (Democratic) [3]
1944: Thomas E. Dewey / George H. Bender (Republican)
1949-: Harold H. Burton / Ralph L. Carr (Republican) [4]
1948: Henry F. Schricker / Mark W. Clark (Democratic)
[1] FDR’s heart finally gave out 6 years into his term and his controversial Vice President John Nance Garner – ended up doing fine? Garner halted most of FDR’s ongoing domestic agenda in its tracks – but his cutoff off oil exports to Japan led to a surprise attack on the Phillipines within months; and so the U.S. was dragged into WW2 – Garner’s need to ramp up the war effort put to rest any plans he might have had of minimal spending and budget balancing.
[2] The 1940 election occurred in the wake of vigorous fighting in the Pacific (Prime Minister Hata’s belief that the U.S. would quickly bow out of the war having been utterly misplaced) and to an even greater extent turmoil in France, as U.S. troops were also taken by surprise by the German blitzkrieg through the Low Countries and Ardennes (Indeed at times it was such a close run thing that it almost looked as if Germany would be able to break through completely and knock France out of the war) . Republicans were in a pickle – almost all of their Presidential candidates had just been isolationists – in the end dark horse and former Secretary of War Patrick Hurley got the nod, more for his military experience than anything else. Garner of course carried the day – continuation of the war effort being the most important thing in the minds of many Americans. Governor Herbert O’Conor was put onto the ticket to appease urban bosses and those saddened at the loss of FDR; becoming the first Catholic elected on a Presidential ticket (as a certain former Governor in New York wept in poorly concealed envy).
[3] Governor Charles Edison was swapped onto the ticket as a grudging concession to the left of the Democratic Party (and with President Garner at a whopping 75 years old and refusing to step down, many less open-minded people didn't want a Catholic so close to the presidency). Some more progressive Democrats were indeed considering breaking from Garner, frustrated with his retrograde policies on social and economic issues (and also because you know the two-party system breaking down into bizarre vote-splitting is totally something that happens all the time in America) but the whole freaking Invasion of the Home Islands going on at the time rather stayed their hand. Many Democrats then and now have also protested Garner exceeding the two term limit by a whole two years (although that’s nowadays largely subsumed into the debate of whether dropping the bomb on Nuremberg was justified).
[4] Dewey wanted a another try in 48, but Republicans were still miffed enough at him having lost an at least slightly ‘winnable’ election in 1944 that they went with moderate Ohioan Burton instead (with Senator Carr picked for VP to salvage the feelings of liberal Republicans who had wanted Dewey). The Democrats also faced hard times – Garner’s bid for a third term foundered in the face of cries of “It’s not what FDR would have done!” – and for a time it looked as if Garner’s designated heir James F. Byrnes would indeed get the nomination, split the party, and usher in some progressive third party drawing support from the Democrats. This was obvious enough that party leaders didn’t actually nominate Byrnes – instead it went to the moderate Schricker (with his VP being the popular successful general Mark Clark*). There was no split, just a rather obviously preordained Democratic defeat – after being in power for 16 years the Democrats would’ve have been kicked out no matter what (or so modern historians who speak in terms of movements instead of great men so wisely tell us). Burton had finally brought moderate Republicanism into the white house – and people were glad that Garner had been a stable leader in the aftermath of FDR.
*I have to say, Mark Clark is perhaps my favorite of all the people @Japhy has ever introduced in a list, I don’t know if it’s the originality or just because I like his name.
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AFFLUENCE-PUNK
The Age of Affluence Lasts a whole lot longer...
1957-1963: Harold Macmillan (Conservative)The Age of Affluence Lasts a whole lot longer...
1959: (Coalition with Unionists and National Liberals) Def: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour), John George (Unionist), Clement Davies (Liberal), David Renton (National Liberal)
1963-1969: Quintin Hogg (Conservative)
1964: (Coalition with Unionists and National Liberals) Def: George Brown (Labour), John George (Unionist), Jo Grimond (Liberal), David Renton (National Liberal)
1968: (Coalition with Unionists and National Liberals) Def: Michael Foot (Labour), John Gilmour (Unionist), Jo Grimond (Liberal), David Renton (National Liberal)
1969-1978: Angus Maude (Conservative)
1972: (Coalition with Unionists and National Liberals) Def: Barbara Castle (Labour), John Gilmour (Unionist), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal), John Nott (National Liberal)
1977: (Coalition with Unionists and National Liberals) Def: Peter Shore (Labour), Gordon Campbell (Unionist), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal), John Powell (National Liberal)
1978-1986: Francis Pym (Conservative)
1982: (Coalition with Unionists and National Liberals) Def: Tony Benn (Labour), George Younger (Unionist), Michael Heseltine (National Liberal), David Steel (Liberal),
1986-19??: George Younger (Unionist/Conservative)
1987: (Coalition with Conservatives and National Liberals) Def: George Younger (Conservative), Neil Kinnock (Labour), Roy Jenkins (Liberal), Michael Heseltine (National Liberal)
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1945-1946: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Harry Truman (Democratic)
1946-1949: Harry Truman/vacant (Democratic)
1949-1953: Harry Truman/Alben Barkley (Democratic)
1948: Douglas MacArthur/Robert Taft (Republican)
1953-1957: Dwight D. Eisenhower/Margaret Chase Smith (Republican)
1952: Adlai Stevenson/Hubert Humphrey (Democratic) various (States Rights)
1957-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson/Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1956: Dwight D. Eisenhower/ Margaret Chase Smith (Republican)
1960: Barry Goldwater/ Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1965-1969: Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford (Republican)
1964: Hubert Humphrey/ John F. Kennedy (Democratic) Orval Faubus/Rose Barnett (States Rights)
1969-1977: John F. Kennedy/Newton N. Minow (Democratic)
1968: Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford (Republican) George Wallace/Lester Maddox (States Rights)
1972: Margaret Chase Smith/Spiro Agnew (Republican) George Wallace/John G. Schmitz (States Rights)
1977-1985: Ronald Reagan/Spiro Agnew (Republican)
1976: Jimmy Carter/Ted Kennedy (Democratic)
1980: Mario Cuomo/Barbara Jordan (Democratic)
1985-1989: Robert F. Kennedy/ Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1984: Richard Nixon/Barbara Pierce (Republican)
1989-1993: George H. W. Bush/Hillary Rodham (Republican)
1988: Robert F. Kennedy/Ann Richards (Democratic)
1993-2001: Martin Luther King/Bill Clinton (Democratic)
1992: George H. W. Bush/Hillary Rodham (Republican)
1996: Clarence Thomas/Mary Fischer (Republican)
2001-2005: Bill Clinton/Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
2000: Hillary Rodham/Condoleezza Rice (Republican)
2005-2009: George W. Bush/Rudy Giullani (Republican)
2004: Bill Clinton/Albert Gore Jr. (Democratic)
2009-2011: Albert Gore Jr./Barack Obama (Democratic)
2008: George W. Bush/Rudy Giullani (Republican)
2011-2011: Barack Obama/vacant (Democratic)
2011-2021: Barack Obama/Hillary Rodham (National Union)
2012: Donald Trump/Zeill Miller (American) Bernie Sanders/Lawrence Lessig (Green) Ron Paul/Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
2016: Mitt Romney/Michael Bloomberg (Independent)
1946-1949: Harry Truman/vacant (Democratic)
1949-1953: Harry Truman/Alben Barkley (Democratic)
1948: Douglas MacArthur/Robert Taft (Republican)
1953-1957: Dwight D. Eisenhower/Margaret Chase Smith (Republican)
1952: Adlai Stevenson/Hubert Humphrey (Democratic) various (States Rights)
1957-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson/Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1956: Dwight D. Eisenhower/ Margaret Chase Smith (Republican)
1960: Barry Goldwater/ Ronald Reagan (Republican)
1965-1969: Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford (Republican)
1964: Hubert Humphrey/ John F. Kennedy (Democratic) Orval Faubus/Rose Barnett (States Rights)
1969-1977: John F. Kennedy/Newton N. Minow (Democratic)
1968: Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford (Republican) George Wallace/Lester Maddox (States Rights)
1972: Margaret Chase Smith/Spiro Agnew (Republican) George Wallace/John G. Schmitz (States Rights)
1977-1985: Ronald Reagan/Spiro Agnew (Republican)
1976: Jimmy Carter/Ted Kennedy (Democratic)
1980: Mario Cuomo/Barbara Jordan (Democratic)
1985-1989: Robert F. Kennedy/ Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1984: Richard Nixon/Barbara Pierce (Republican)
1989-1993: George H. W. Bush/Hillary Rodham (Republican)
1988: Robert F. Kennedy/Ann Richards (Democratic)
1993-2001: Martin Luther King/Bill Clinton (Democratic)
1992: George H. W. Bush/Hillary Rodham (Republican)
1996: Clarence Thomas/Mary Fischer (Republican)
2001-2005: Bill Clinton/Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
2000: Hillary Rodham/Condoleezza Rice (Republican)
2005-2009: George W. Bush/Rudy Giullani (Republican)
2004: Bill Clinton/Albert Gore Jr. (Democratic)
2009-2011: Albert Gore Jr./Barack Obama (Democratic)
2008: George W. Bush/Rudy Giullani (Republican)
2011-2011: Barack Obama/vacant (Democratic)
2011-2021: Barack Obama/Hillary Rodham (National Union)
2012: Donald Trump/Zeill Miller (American) Bernie Sanders/Lawrence Lessig (Green) Ron Paul/Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
2016: Mitt Romney/Michael Bloomberg (Independent)
Basically we've the 'Shy Trump Effect' after 3rd presidential debate, and Trump manage to win few more than 270 EV. His administration has been marked by many antipopular measures, like Immigration Reform Act of 2017 and RAPF (Russian-American Pact for Friendship) who made Vice President Pence (represent GOP 'resistance') jump to challenge President Trump in late-2019. After lose New Hampshire primary, Trump leave the race but serves until January 20, 2021.
Pence wins the battle, but lost the war. Ted Cruz, who challenge Trump too, brokered Phoenix's convention and, when was defeated, he announced run for the Action Party. The 2020 race was turbulent so as 2016, but 'McMullinmentum' rise again, winning many states on East Coast. Texas in 2000 was like Florida in 2000, and after a recount, Cruz won his 41 EVs by 506 votes against Cory Booker.
On HoR, many Republicans was turned in Actioners and selected Ted Cruz as President. In Senate, Actioners closed a deal with some another Moderate Republican and Democratic senators and choose Mark Cuban as Vice President. Cruz and his impopular management on Syrian Civil War and economy failing after the Little Recession of 2022, lead to a crisis in government were the trigger to 5/3 attacks in Washington who killed President Cruz. Without Cruz, Action Party close his doors by late-2023.
Mark Cuban take office and introduced Economical Regulation Act of 2023 to avoid growth of recession and promised to don't run in '24. In foreign policies, he led an operation to kill Bashar al-Assad, and with Treaty of Tel Aviv signed by Russians, Americans, Syrian former government and Syrian opposition, after 12 years, war was over.
Despite the fact of Jon Huntsman Jr was Cuban's candidate and have some popularity, and McMullinites, Libertarians and some Republicans entered on Moderate Party (formed in early-2024), Governor Chris Murphy of Connecticut was a phenomenon (many compare he to Bill Clinton in '92) and won the presidency with his charisma and oratory, beyond 8 years of turbulence in government.
President Murphy managed the 'definite' Affordable Care Act of 2027 and introduced Gun Control Act of 2029, after 28/8/8 attacks (who was turning point to Murphy's victory and GOP ressurge) in Indianapolis. The present year is 2031 and Murphy's popularity are about 46-50%.
Backstory for my TL, the Rumble in the Jungle. Footnotes coming soon
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic), 1963-1969
1964: Henry C. Lodge, Jr. (Republican), Richard Russell (Constitution), Barry Goldwater (Liberty & Justice)
37. Nelson Rockefeller (Republican), 1969-1977
1968: Hubert Humphrey (Democratic), George Wallace (Constitution), Eugene McCarthy (Alliance) Barry Goldwater (Liberty & Justice)
1972: Edmund Muskie (Democratic), John Ashbrook (Constitution), George McGovern (Alliance), John Hospers (Liberty & Justice)
38. George Romney (Republican), 1977-1981
1976: Scoop Jackson (Democratic), John Wayne (Constitution), Morris Udall (Alliance), Roger MacBride (Liberty & Justice)
39. Jimmy Carter (Democratic), 1981-1989
1980: Jesse Helms (Constitution), George Romney (Republican), Eugene McCarthy (Liberty & Justice), Frank Church (Alliance)
1984: John B. Anderson (Republican), Alan Cranston (Alliance), Phil Crane (Constitution), David Bergland (Liberty & Justice)
40. Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic), 1989-1993
1988: Donald Rumsfeld (Republican), Jesse Jackson (Alliance), Evan Mecham (Constitution), Andre Marrou (Liberty & Justice)
41. Jim Jeffords (Republican), 1993-1997
1992: Al Gore (Democratic), Jerry Brown (Alliance), Pat Buchanan (Constitution), Andre Marrou (Liberty & Justice)
42. Thad Cochran (Democratic), 1997-2001
1996: Jim Jeffords (Republican), Paul Wellstone (Alliance), Ron Paul (Constitution-Liberty & Justice)
43. George W. Bush (Republican), 2001-2009
2000: Thad Cochran (Democratic), Bill Bradley (Alliance), Bob Dornan (Constitution), Harry Browne (Liberty & Justice)
2004: Zell Miller (Democratic), Ralph Nader (Alliance), Newt Gingrich (Constitution), Michael Badnarik (Liberty & Justice)
44. Rick Perry (Democratic), 2009-2017
2008: Howard Dean (Republican), Rick Santorum (Constitution), Mike Gravel (Alliance-Liberty & Justice)
2012: Joe Biden (Republican), William Weld (Liberty & Justice), Sarah Palin (Constitution), Jill Stein (Alliance)
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic), 1963-1969
1964: Henry C. Lodge, Jr. (Republican), Richard Russell (Constitution), Barry Goldwater (Liberty & Justice)
37. Nelson Rockefeller (Republican), 1969-1977
1968: Hubert Humphrey (Democratic), George Wallace (Constitution), Eugene McCarthy (Alliance) Barry Goldwater (Liberty & Justice)
1972: Edmund Muskie (Democratic), John Ashbrook (Constitution), George McGovern (Alliance), John Hospers (Liberty & Justice)
38. George Romney (Republican), 1977-1981
1976: Scoop Jackson (Democratic), John Wayne (Constitution), Morris Udall (Alliance), Roger MacBride (Liberty & Justice)
39. Jimmy Carter (Democratic), 1981-1989
1980: Jesse Helms (Constitution), George Romney (Republican), Eugene McCarthy (Liberty & Justice), Frank Church (Alliance)
1984: John B. Anderson (Republican), Alan Cranston (Alliance), Phil Crane (Constitution), David Bergland (Liberty & Justice)
40. Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic), 1989-1993
1988: Donald Rumsfeld (Republican), Jesse Jackson (Alliance), Evan Mecham (Constitution), Andre Marrou (Liberty & Justice)
41. Jim Jeffords (Republican), 1993-1997
1992: Al Gore (Democratic), Jerry Brown (Alliance), Pat Buchanan (Constitution), Andre Marrou (Liberty & Justice)
42. Thad Cochran (Democratic), 1997-2001
1996: Jim Jeffords (Republican), Paul Wellstone (Alliance), Ron Paul (Constitution-Liberty & Justice)
43. George W. Bush (Republican), 2001-2009
2000: Thad Cochran (Democratic), Bill Bradley (Alliance), Bob Dornan (Constitution), Harry Browne (Liberty & Justice)
2004: Zell Miller (Democratic), Ralph Nader (Alliance), Newt Gingrich (Constitution), Michael Badnarik (Liberty & Justice)
44. Rick Perry (Democratic), 2009-2017
2008: Howard Dean (Republican), Rick Santorum (Constitution), Mike Gravel (Alliance-Liberty & Justice)
2012: Joe Biden (Republican), William Weld (Liberty & Justice), Sarah Palin (Constitution), Jill Stein (Alliance)
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