Johann VII of Mecklenburg-Schwerin commits suicide in 1587

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Johann VII killed himself in 1592. But if he kills himself in 1587, it happens before his kids was born and his estate goes to his uncle Ulrich.

Ulrich in OTL had only one daugther who married the king of Denmark, his position as Lutheran Administrator of Schwerin was inherited by his grandson Ulrich of Denmark, while his duchy was inherited by the second son of Johann VII.

So suddenly we have a quite different position at his death, his nearest relative in paternal line is his childless brother Karl I (who dies in 1610), and after that the Mecklenburg dynasty dies out.

This mean we get to the female lines

the nearest heirs is Friedrich Kettler of Courland and Christian IV of Denmark (and his brother Ulrich).

Ulrich and Christian both a better claim than Friedrich Kettler by their grandfather having been brother of Karl I, while Friedrich's mother was Karl's sister.

So likely we see Mecklenburg split between Christian and Ulrich, or we could see Ulrich still only the Bishopric of Schwerin, while Christian become duke of the entire Mecklenburg (not entire unlikely, Ulrich seem to have been a loyal vassal of his brother, after they final dealt with his inherience in Schlewig-Holstein). But even if he get part of Mecklenburg his marriage was morganatic and his possession would return to his brother at his death in 1624.

So we see a Mecklenburg being included in the Oldenburg dynastic possesions from 1610.

So we see Christian IV have a even stronger position in North Germany in the early 17th century.

In fact the Schleswig-Holstein-Mecklenburg combo (with Gottorp, Oldenburg and Bremen-Verden under at the time friendly sidelines) is quite strong, stronger than Brandenburg.
 
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1587 Johann VII in a dark moment kill himself. His relatives decide to cover his suicide up by blaming two women for witchcraft and having bewitched Johann. One dies in the torture chamber, while the other admit her “crimes” and is burned in public.
Johann's domain is split between his uncles Ulrich, Christoph and Karl.
Of the three only Ulrich and Christoph have children. Both have a a single daughter each. Christoph daugther is still only a child, while Ulrich's is queen of Denmark and has 3 sons and 3 daughters.
In a attempt to keep the Mecklenburg line alive Ulrich who is a widower marries
Sofie of Holstein-Gottorp (the wife of Johann in OTL).

1588 Frederik II of Denmark dies leaving the 3 sons and 3 daughters. A regency council is establish in Denmark for Christian IV (1577-). The Danish nobility keep Queen-dowager Sophie out of it, and keep her from having contact with her eldest son. But she become regent for all her children in their ducal possessions in Schleswig-Holstein. Beside that she get Lolland-Falster as her personal fief until her death, where it will return to the crown.

1593-96 Christorp dies leaving a widow and a daughter, his possessions is split between his two brothers, through his wife and daughter receive a pension. Ulrich's and Sofie's marriage is still childless, and Karl and Ulrich has begun to look to alternative heirs. Ulrich's grandchildren look like the most likely heirs, but both wish for Mecklenburg to stay mostly unified, and to that any children of Christorp daughter Margarete Elisabeth (1684-) is a threat. To keep the possessions in one family, they begin to negotiate a marriage between Margarete and Christian IV of Denmark with the Danish regency council. The engagement is final accepted two year later, just before Christian IV reach his maturity.
Queen Sophie is a little hostile to her father's and uncle's plan to leave the entire inheritance to her oldest son and nothing to her two younger. As a compromise to avoid his rich and powerful* daugther's displeasure, Ulrich of Mecklenburg push the compromise that Christian only get Mecklenburg-Schwerin, while Ulrich of Denmark get the Bishopric of Schwerin and at last Mecklenburg-Güstow** is split between Johan and Ulrich. Christian IV accept this against both giving up their inheritance in Schleswig-Holstein. Something Sophie accept against Ulrich also being made bishop of Schleswig. This is the beginning of the improvement in the relationship between Christian IV and his mother.

1598-1602 Christian IV and Margarete is married in a large ceremony in Copenhagen, while many feel that Margarete is to young, Christian push the marriage because he don't want to risk any son of his, becoming king while still a child and under a regency council. Beside his own mother had the same age when she was married to his father.
Already the year after she gives birth to Christian's first child, a daughter he name in honour of his mother; Sophie of Denmark, a second stillborn child follow in 1600, only for a second daughter (Elisabeth) being born in 1602 and finally a son and heir (Frederik) the year after.
Of course other thing also happened Johan gave up his inheritance, because of his marriage with the Xenia daughter of Tsar Boris Godunov*** . His inheritance and claims ended up in Christian IV's hands.

1603-1606 Ulrich of Mecklenburg dies, his ducal possessions goes to his brother Karl, while his grandson Ulrich of Denmark becomes Lutheran Administrator of the Bishopric of Schwerin. Christian and Margarete get a pair of twin sons the same year, who they name after Ulrich and Christorp.
In 1605 Tsar Boris dies and his son Feodor is murdered a less than two month later, Johan is forced to flee with his wife and two daughters. He end up in Denmark. Christian don't want to return his former fiefs, but do give brother some large estates to secure him a living, he's also made count of Langeland a new title and hereditary fief created by Christian, against Johan again giving up his claim in Mecklenburg. Much of this is under pressure from their mother, who Christian have no wish to alienate, who push Christian to return the claims to Rostock and Neubrandenburg to Johan. Margarete gives birth to a child again this year, but she dies after two month.

The period 1605-1610 is peaceful, Christian and Margarete get three surviving children in this period two daughters (Hedwig and Anna) and a son (Christian), Johan stay out of Russian mess, he know very well he lack a power base in Russia. While Ulrich continue his life as a bachelor and bishop.
In 1610 Karl of Mecklenburg dies and his domains are split between Christian and Ulrich, who become the new co-dukes of Mecklenburg and in Ulrich's case Bishop of Ratzeburg.

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*Sophie used Lolland-Falster to become the richest woman in northern Europe and she ended up creditors to many monarch of northern Europe.
**Johan get the medieval Mecklenburg-Rostock and Neubrandenburg and Ulrich the rest.
***In OTL he died before marrying Xenia
 
Hmm, if the Oldenburgs now have Meclkenburg, and considering that the House of Pomerania is dieing out, they might try to grab some parts of Pomerania later. Of course, it might bring conflict with Brandenburg and Sweden.
Maybe ITTL Anna de Croy could be married to a Danish prince in order to give strenght to a possible claim over Pomerania?
 

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Hmm, if the Oldenburgs now have Meclkenburg, and considering that the House of Pomerania is dieing out, they might try to grab some parts of Pomerania later. Of course, it might bring conflict with Brandenburg and Sweden.
Maybe ITTL Anna de Croy could be married to a Danish prince in order to give strenght to a possible claim over Pomerania?

There's sadly no prince in her age category. But I expect Christian to recognise the Brandenburgian claim to Pommern, while he push the Danish claim to the former principality of Rügen. Of course the house is going to die out in the middle of the 30YW, as such a lot of thing can happen.
 
There's sadly no prince in her age category. But I expect Christian to recognise the Brandenburgian claim to Pommern, while he push the Danish claim to the former principality of Rügen. Of course the house is going to die out in the middle of the 30YW, as such a lot of thing can happen.

That's a pitty. A different outcome for Pomerania would be always interesting. Also, I like the idea of Xenia Godunov surviving. I hope it can give some ideas later to Johann or a son of him during the Times of Troubles.
 

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That's a pitty. A different outcome for Pomerania would be always interesting. Also, I like the idea of Xenia Godunov surviving. I hope it can give some ideas later to Johann or a son of him during the Times of Troubles.

I would welcome it, my knowledge of the time of trouble is kindly said rather small. Right now I expect Johan to serve as commander in the Danish army, while Xenia take care of the children and spent time in the Danish court. Right now Johan lack interest in intervene in Russia, mostly because he lack allies. But if he get the chance, he's going to try set a child or grandchild of his on the Russian throne. He may also push Christian toward expanding into the Kola peninsula and Archangelsk.
Likely he and Xenia has also set up a small exile court of the Russian elite.

BTW Pommern may still go Danish a lot depend on how the 30YW end up for Christian.
 

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The players

For Christian IV gaining Mecklenburg-Schwerin was a triumph, which was only getting better, because his brother Ulrich the Older now duke of rump Mecklenburg-Güstow (and bishop of Schleswig, Ratzeburg and Schwerin) looked unlikely to marry, he enjoyed his barchelor life to much. But Christian with four living sons, needed to ensure that the inheritance wasn't split. So he began to look to the local bishopric to set up his four youngest. A deal was soon made with the bishop of Verden and the local Stände that Christian's second son Ulrich the Younger was set up as heir, he was send to Verden to be raised. In a deal with Ulrich the Older the younger twin Christorp and the younger brother Christian was set up as Prince-Bishop in Schwerin and Ratzeburg. Christorp was send to Ulrich the Older to be raised, while Christian would be send to him in a few years, when his parent's was sure he was going to survive.

Christian IV was still nervous for oldest son's inheritance, while he had gotten him crowned heir (chosen prince) in 1604, he didn't want a repeat of his own regency, as such he made the Rigsrådet in Denmark and the Ritterschaft in the duchies recognise his mother and wife as co-regents in case of him dying. Christian had gotten a lot of respect for his wife through the early year of their marriage, and he had to some extent given up his drunkenness and partying ways, through he still chased any woman he met. Queen Margarete on her side was a lot like her cousin Queen-dowager Sophie, much of it was because from her father death and the marriage negotiation with Christian's regency council to her marriage, her mother and her had lived as guest at Sophie at Nykøbing Castle. Margarete and Sophie had gotten a quite close relationship in that period, and after her mother's death in 1597, Sophie had served as her guardian. Sophie had helped her through her early marriage with Christian IV and pushed Christian IV to be on his best behaviour, at the same time she taught Margarete what she needed to know about her duties, and push her to take active part in court politics. In fact many noble who already disliked Sophie and her vast influence saw Margarete as a extension of her mother-in-law and cousin. This gave her many enemies, but it also ensured that Christian IV to large extent treated her as a equal.

Her natural ally in the court was her brother-in-law Johan and his wife Alexis, who she sponsored and lobbied her husband to help and give power. While Christian liked his brother, he had always been careful with giving power away, but as a result of her influence, Johan became commander of the Danish army in 1608.
Johan was a man who enjoyed to travel and study, he had travel Europe in his early youth, studied in Strassburg, been at the court of many princes, before he ended up in Russia with a beautiful wife and vast possessions, but the coup against his brother-in-law and his escape from Russia had been something of a awakening for him. While his brother had been kind and given him a fief, he wanted revenge and secondary his wife's possession back. In the Danish court he pushed for anti-Polish and anti-Catholic policies, but also for Denmark messing in the Russian trouble, something Christian was unwilling to do. His position as commander of the Danish army wasn't a accident, for Christian it placed his loyal and intelligent brother in charge of the army and made his mother and wife happy, while for Johan it was a chance to gain the military prestige as a commander he needed to gain allies in Russia.

This was the main players who entered the years of war.

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The Lords of War

Denmark and Sweden had been in deep disagreement for years, the Swedes was angry over the Danish Sound Dues, and the Danish was angry over the establishment of Elfborg (Gothenburg) as a way around the dues and to even large extent angry over Swedish blockage of Narva and to lesser extent Riga. Both powers also disagreed over the ownership of the Finnmark. As such the crowning of Charles IX who aggressive pushed his claim to Finnmark was a sure way to war.

1611 Christian was making the army ready to war, it was decided to split the army in two parts, one which is lead by Christian in the east and one by Johan in the west, the importance of this was that Christian hoped to cut of the Swedish support lines of by conquering Kalmar. Christian planned to raise 9000 man, while hiring another 16000 mercenaries. But he was unable to raise more than 6000 and no more than 9000 mercenaries and so the army was cut down to a east army, until Johan could raise more soldiers and hire mercenaries. But even that ended up a failure, the mercenaries failed to get to Christianoble (where the king was based) in time, and Christian had to march on Kalmar with 6000 man.
The attack on Kalmar surprised Karl, who had thought Christian would meet his superior army in the west and he began a brutal invasion of Scania to cut of Christian, while marching east to Kalmar. Christian's siege of Kalmar also ended up a morass. He had expected the local population to rise up in rebellion against the Swedish king, but nothing like that happened, Christian seem more or more likely to be caught between Kalmar and the Swedish army. Finally the storm of the town succeed, but he was still unable to take the local fortress.
At the same time Swedish peasant troops invaded and occupied Jämtland, mostly because the local peasants didn't put up much of a fight.
But in the west Johan had forced the Rigsråd to raise 3000 troops extra and the 9000 mercenaries had arrived and Johan had successfully cajoled the ritterschafts in Holstein, Schleswig and Mecklenburg to hire mercenaries to the conflict, which was on the way. 3000 Mercenaries was send to join his brother who continued his siege of Kalmar Castle. They arrived in time to join against the Karl's army. The battle became a Danish victory securing the Danish position in Kalmar.
Johan on the other hand lead 9000 troops on Elfborg, the attack was unexpected and Elfborg fell fast.
As the winter began the Elfborg and Kalmar was under Danish occupation and Jämtland under Swedish.
With Elfborg conquered the Danes could blockade the Swedish trade. A deal was made with Lübeck and Netherlands that if they kept back from trade with the Swedes, the Sound Dues wouldn't be raised on their ship.

1612 In late januar Kalmar Castle fell, not to the Danish besiege but to treason, a Swedish office let the Danes in (as reward he received a fief from the Danish king). Öland surrendered under a month after and as such the Danes was in a good position as the winter ended.
In Jämtland widespread atrocities from the Swedish troops made the local rise up in rebellion and they drove the Swedes out.
Johan had received 3000 extra troops while 6000 joined Christian. As such Johan began a march east toward Jönköbing which fell in the early summer. While Christian marched north, Karl had little choice after the defeat at Kalmar to retreat, and by his death in oktober most of southern Sweden was occupied by the Danes.
The Swedes sued for peace, but Christian planned to continue north to conquer Stockholm and crown himself king.
One of the more interesting battle of this year was the Scottish Battle in Romsdalen, a Scottish mercenary force in Swedish service landed there and marched through Norway to enter Sweden, but two bailiffs discovered them and organised the local peasants into a ambush where most of the 300 Scots was killed.

1613 Christian and Johan joined in a march toward Stockholm, but the march over land showed itself to be a disaster, many troops dies, food was hard to find and the Danes final met the new Swedish king Gustav II Adolp in battle at Närke, while a close Danish victory, it was a Pyrrhic victory, Christian was wounded in the battle and Johan ordered a retreat to Jönköbing.
The Danes and Swedes began to negotiate a peace treaty.
The final result was that Sweden recognise Danish rule over Finnmark, and paid a ransom of 1 000 000 rigsdaler for Kalmar, which stay occupied by Denmark until the ransom was payed. Denmark receive Västergötland, Dalsland, Wärmland and Jönköbing. While Sweden became free of the Sound Dues.
While not the result Christian wanted, it's was still a good result. He had showed Denmark's superiority over Sweden, he had received a large ransom and gotten the vast domain from Sweden. In fact he established the conquered lands as the new Duchy of Vestgøtland with adminstrative centre in Elfborg.
Johan had showed himself as a loyal vassal and a great general, so Christian decided to reward him by trying to get his land in Russia back. But for that he needed to have a way to pressure the Russians. The Russians fought both a war with the Swedes and Poles in the west and there was no way to do anything there. But in the north in Bjarmaland, he could cut of Russian access to the vest and that way pressure the Russian to concessions.
But Johan was needed in Denmark, the war had shown major weaknesses in the Danish army, the Danish victory at Kalmar was pure luck and the failure to raise the needed forces could have cost Denmark the war.

1614 A expedition was made ready, it was decided it should be lead by Jens Munk and Jørgen Daa, who had showed themselves to be talented in the Kalmar War. All in all a force of 750 mercenaries plus 300 marines was send north with a small fleet. Jens Munk landed with a small force of 150 man at Murmansk, which was conquered fast, while Jørgen Daa continued to Arkhangelsk which he besieged took rather fast. From there small forces was send out and occupied other settlements along the coast. The Tsar was furious, suddenly he was cut of from his main source of foreign capital, at a time he needed it the most. He couldn't afford the men to reconquer the lost territories, so he was forced to negotiate with the Danes. The Danes offered to give it back if johan's son was crowned Tsar or his his domain was given back. Neither was demand he could accept.

1615 Finally a solution was found, the Russians paid a sum of 250 000 rigsdaler and gave up Bjarmaland against the Russian having free access to Arkhangelsk. Johan got the 250 000 rigsdaler plus the same amount from Christian, while Christian got Bjarmaland. Bjarmaland was set up as a independent Grand Duchy with capital in Arkhangelsk (which was renamed Christianshavn) in personal union with Denmark.
Johan mostly invested the money in buying up land and manors in Denmark, which he ran with the same brutal efficiency as his mother, beside that he had received large grands of land in Vestgötland. As such he was by 1615 the third richest man in Denmark with only his mother and brother ahead of him. As such the future looked wonderful for Johan.

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It looks like Denmark is doing much better ITTL against Sweden. Could we have a map with the territories conquered during the war?

Also, I still think the Danes received Arkhangelsk too easily. There would be some kind of English or Dutch intervention, as happened when Sweden demanded the city in the peace of Stolbovo.
 
A lot better than OTL where Denmark just hung by the nails and only a naval show of force in the Stockholm Skaergaard 1613 swung the tide.

Its too good to be true! :eek:
 
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