Italia Eterna

The situation in the Asia/Pacific scenario will be a messy one.
I think we all agree that Japan will gobble up Indochina as soon as France folds up. OTOH, why should UK (who is less pressed than in OTL) let the DEI go without making a move? And it would be rational to try and get a support from USA, rather than going alone. Now it's true that Roosvelt cannot get a war so easily, but this would not be a declaration of war. It would be an intervention to preserve order, under request from the legitimate Dutch government. It's a kind of lawyering, but politics is a bit like that.
And if you want, the USA have already made a hostile move (the oil embargo). So it's not a completely new situation.

Going back to France, I agree that Free France will probably stick to UK: they were allies from the start, and the actions taken after the armistice were against Vichy France (a collaborationist state). Plus Italy has taken the opportunity to grab some real estate after the armistice.

Regarding UK, they will end the war in a worse financial position than OTL (no Marshall plan, no uncle Sam to foot the bill). However, even in OTL uncle Sam asked for collaterals before footing the bill, and UK payed through the nose for a number of years. So, it is not so different: in TTL, UK won the war on its own, this means that there is more pride and more imperial feelings (and the Americans are not so chummy as in OTL). All of this goes in the direction of Empire, and this will sooner or later get in contrast with the USA (I expect it will be in the Pacific, or in China). Just reading tea leaves, mind
 
1945 - first draft!

1945
This is the epitaph I want on my tomb: Here lies one of the most intelligent animals who ever appeared on the face of the earth!
- Mussolini.

Success is the sole earthly judge of right and wrong!
- Adolf Hitler.

As the year 1945 began it was clear that the war angainst Germany would not last much longer. As the RAF and RA routine began to bomb the cities of the Third Reich, the once proud city of Berlin got to know war rather intimately. The dark heart of the Third Reich suffered continuos attacks, which saw thousands upon thousands civilans killed and entire city blocks razed. And Berlin was not even the city that was hardest hit; Dresden and Hamburg for all purpose got obliterated by two huge air raids in early ’45.
As if the merciless Axis and Allies bombing of the Reich’s cities was not enough, the land war too went against the Germans. From the East the Soviet Red Hordes pushed ever closer and from the South and Wets the Axis and Allies fought their way stubbornly towards the Vatherland. Seen from the HQ of General Ewald von Kleist, OB Ost, this was unacceptable. In March, von Kleist, the hero of Kharkov and Przemysle, launched a military coup, Operation Parsiphall, and is said to have shot Adolf Hitler himself. Loyalist troops from the Wehrmacht arrested SS personel and disarmed army units not thought to be reliable. Von Kleist and the little terrier of a man, Oberstgruppenführer, Sepp Deitrich, knew each other from the Eastern Front and seemed to have put Parsiphall together. Along with Luftwaffe’s chief, Albert Keselring, they soon took control of Germany and established a provisional government!

In South East Asia General Slim and Admiral Cunningham launched a more or less continous offensive against the Japanse forces, who only a year before had overrun most of Asia east of India. Even with the aid of Italia and the entire Commonwealth it was obvious that it was not going to be easy liberating the old colonies. Fighting was hard and intense, but steadily the Japanese was forced back. 1945 would see Burma, Singapore and a completely ruined Hong Kong return to British rule.

The war was as good as won, but now all the heard work really began as several of Dino Grandi’s men in the Ministri degli Affari esteri (Foreign Ministry) joked. Both Grandi and Ciano laboured hard and endlessly to secure a lasting and fair, at least fair seen from Rome, peace. At the great peace conference in Paris, the Italian diplomates sidetracked the French and made sure Germany remained more or less as it had been before the war. A few changes occurred, though, Austria and Bavaria emerged as independent countries. Czechoslovakia was split up into two countries, the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
The Axis wholly supported an independent Ukraine and Poland, but the less than stable environment on the eastren Front made this no easy task. As 1945 ended and 1946 begun, Ukraine, however, had been recognised as an independent nation and Axis member, while Poland still was occupied by Germany and the USSR.

The Leonardi leadership in Rome foresaw the need for a big stick, as the American president Theodore Roosevelt once had said, in matters relating to security and foreing policy. Enrico Fermi and his nuclear research team begun to get a hitherto unheard of level of funding. Laboratories was set up in northern Italia at the great hydroelectric plants near the Alps, and several others in the deep Libyan desert. The pace of research became even more frantic as the United States exploded a nuclear device in late Decmber!

Meanwhile Grandi worked to create an expanded Axis, and later Ciano’s dream of a Forum of Nations, containing not only Spain and Italia, but also Greece, Turkey, Croatia, Bavaria, Austria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, the Ukraine, Hungary, Bulgaria, Rumania, Iraq, Persia and the not yet liberated Poland. Invitations was also extend to Syria and Egypt as well, but respectively France and Britain vetoed. For most of late ’45 diplomates and foreign ministers travelled to and forth the various capitals of Europe and the Orient. As the diplomates laboured, the Comando Supremo and the Italian armaments industry sold weapons en masse to the new Axis countris and sent an unending stream of advisors and security personal.

One of the reason why the Italians felt they needed to hurry getting these new super weapons was, not surprisingly, the Soviet Union. For the time being Stalin and his Red Hordes were of no threat as they fought both external and internal enemies. Sooner or, perferably, later the situation would stabilize and it would be pay back time.
Over most of the USSR partisan and guerrilla bands ran wild, creating utter havoc in the interior. And as armed insurgents and rebelling Nationalists was not enough several minor and one general strike paralyzed the big country. The NKVD cracked down on both the insurgents and the strikers with great severity, but the situation were far from stable at years end. Draft and food riots along with armed uprisings would plague the USSR for several years.

In 1945 the first Italian refineries began to operate in earnest in both Libya and Sicily. The Leonardi put a lot of energy into transforming the Italian infrastructure and industry from using coual to using natural gas and oil instead.
Italian and American companies formed numerous joint-ventures in 1945 and began to prospect and later mine various raw materials, among them chrome, copper, lead, zinc and even some oil.

Timeline 1945:
January 2, 1945: Canadian and British troops lands at Ostende and Rotterdam. Dutch and Belgian resistance units are already patrolling the streets. Other units are harrashing the few German troops not yet safe behind the Rhine.

January 8, 1945: The Soviet Red Army tries yet again to force its way over the Vistula River, but the Germans are holding their ground. Reinforcements are drawn in spite of Hitler’s protests from other fronts.

January 12, 1945: The Japanese launch a fullscale offensive against Nationalist positions in China. The Japansese hope to encircle large groups of troops and gain access to vital territory, while cutting off the reopened supply route from Burma.

January 24, 1945: The Regia Aeronautica launches its first airstrik on Berlin. The heavy Piaggio P.108G bombers suffer few loses from Luftwaffe fighters as they are escorted by new long range FIAT G55/M(F) Centauro, but the intense German FlaK take its toll on the Italian bombers.

February 1, 1945: In Rome, the Eternal City and capital of the New Italian Empire, Ciano, Balbo, Grandi, Bottai and several topranking Leonardi Fascisti meet. They disscus how to organize the post-war world, and the Empire.

Febuary 3, 1945: Last major German offensive on the Eastern Front. Air Marshall and Luftwaffe C-in-C, Albert Kesselring, has carefully husbanded his resources and the Luftwaffe for a while at least gain supremacy over the front. Wehrmacht troops under command of East Front-veteran General Ewald von Kleist advance rapidly in southern Poland and retake Krakow. The offensive finally stops after a weeks heavy fighting just outside Jaroslav and Przemysle.

Febuary 13, 1945: Dresden is destroyed by a firestorm after Allied bombing raids. In Italia the political leadership as well as the Comando Supremo is shocked by what they percieve as pure terrobombing, but Blabo is less squirmish: “It’s not pretty, but it’s effective! Let the Germans and their cities burn, like they burned their victims these last years!â€

March 1, 1945: The city of Hamburg is destroyed by a firestorm after Allied bombing raids. Voices amongst the Allies express doubt about the Point Blank-tactics and the bombing of civilian targets in general.

March 4, 1945: General Ewald von Kleist, the hero of Kharkov and Przemysle, meets with Hitler in the Führer’s vast underground bunker system in Berlin. Von Klesit is accompanied by his aid and right hand, General von Manteuffle. To this day nobody really know what happened in the bunker, but Hitler, von Manteuffle and several others ends up dead after a vicious firefight!

March 5, 1945: After the deaths of Hitler Operation Parsiphall kicks off in Germany. Troops from the Wehrmacht arrests SS personel all over the Reich. Here and there the SS resists, but suprisingly no Waffen-SS units take up arms against the Wehrmachts troops. General von Kleist seems to be in control of Germany.

March 7, 1945: SS-Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler commits suicide. The German High Command, OKW, set up a Provisional Government under General von Kleist.

March 8, 1045: Von Kleist, now calling himself Reichspresident, offers the Axis and Allies an armistice. Von Kleist seems to have some sort of agreement with both the Luftwaffe and the Waffen-SS as he is often seen with Airmarshall Kesselring and Oberstgruppenführer Dietric.

March 10, 1945: A US naval task force centered around two carriers are relocated from the Pearl to the Phillipines. It is based in Manila Bay. Washington and the local Philipino governemt is denying any overt threat to Japan. Needless to say the Japanese leadership in Tokyo are furious!

March 12, 1945: Mass surrenders of Germans troop to Axis and Allies forces along the fronts. In the Sudentenland, Hungary and at the Rhine some 500,000 Germans are taken as PoWs. Units along the Vistula hold their ground and keep fighting. They are even reinforced by troops from the other fronts and the interior.

March 14, 1945: Soviet troops finally crosses the Vistula and immediately begin an assult on Warsaw.

March 15, 1945: Reichspresident von Kleist outlaws the DNSAP and order all non-Communist KZ inmates to be set free at once and an immediate stop to the persecution of Jews.

March 16, 1945: The last German units facing the Axis and Allies surrenders at the Ruhr pocket as their commander, Fieldmarshall Model, commits suicide.
The Red Army fights its way into a ruined Warsaw. Much to the Soviets amazement, scattered remnants of the Polist Home Army resist more or less alongside the stubborn German defenders!

March 17, 1945: Joseph Goebles and his family surrenders to an advance unit of Italian Alpini in Sudentenland.

April 1, 1945: Representatives of the new German governemnt meet with envoys from the Axis and Allies in Prag. An armistice is signed between the Germans and the Axis and Allies. Further negotiations are to be held in Rome in a weeks time.

April 5, 1945: General Slim’s hard charging Commonwealth forces, now designated 4th Army Group, reaches the old British airfield at Tenasserim. Soon Spitfires, Typhoons and Hurricans will begin to fly from the enlarged airfields. Air superiority is now with the Allies in Asia.
In a sudden Chinese counter-offensive, the Chinese actually defeats the Japanese forces around the border to Burma, thus opening the Ledo road once more. Though the Japanese manage to inflict a good deal of casualties in return, they are thoroughly defeated and lose close to two divisions in the fighting.

April 8, 1945: Kesselring, Speer and von Schulenburg meets with Ciano, Grandi, LeCelerc and Bevin in Rome. The negotiations are tough, but the Germans have no other option than to agree to the terms offered. As it has already happened German troops are to withdraw from all occupied territory and their positions along the fronts. Furthermore they are to start negotiations with the Soviets at once, release all prisoners of war and hand over all senior members of the DNSAP. Further negotiations and the final treaty will be handled at a later meeting in Paris in late Maj!

April 10, 1945: Ciano and Atlee along with their foreign ministers, Grandi and Bevin, meet in London. French leader, Charles DeGaulle is present as well, but as the Italians insists on calling him Colonel, the meeting ends in a French boycott. Grandi and Ciano are actually quite pleased as they hope the British will tire of the pompous French.

April 17, 1945: Most of the victorious 4th Army Group prepare for an attack on Thailand, but the VII. Corps move south towards the Malayan Peninsula and the XXIV. Corps move against Rangoon. Fighter cover is total and the Allied tactical bombers wreak havoc amongst the Japanese.

April 30, 1945: Most of the PoW’s in German hand have been handed over to the Axis and Allies, but most of the Nazi-leadership has either disapered or committed suicide. A few arguments erupts between the Allies and von Kleist’s envoys as to wether SS-general Joseph Dietric should be extradited also!

Maj 1, 1945: A Regia Aeronautica Squadriglia equiped with the new long range FIAT G55/M(F) Centauro arrive at Tenasserim. These Centauro are the first Italian planes to fitted with drop tanks and have two powerfull 30mm guns in addition to their four 12,7mm machine guns.

Maj 24, 1945: Commonwealth forces are finally poised for a strike at Singapore. The new Far Eastern Fleet under Admiral Cunningham are approaching the Strait, while general Browning’s Marine and light infantry forces prepare for an amphibious assault. Meanwhile 4th Army Group draw the Japanese to the north in defence af Malaya as they advance.

Maj 26, 1945: The Royal Navy along with its Commonwealth allies blokades Singapore.

Maj 27, 1945: Eventhough the Germans are still fighting the Soviets along the Vistula, the peace conference is nonetheless held in Paris. “To be quite frankâ€, as Balbo is heard to have said, “it suites me well the Germans keep on killing the Red Bastards!†Surprisingly enough the von Kleist government is very cooperative, still there are a few bumbs along the way.

Maj 28, 1945: Back in early 1943, the German naval attaché in Tokyo prevailed on the Japanese to employ German submarine tactics, now the the Japanese submarines attacks Cunningham’s Fleet off Singapore and its supply convoys with great effect.

Maj-June, 1945: The Allies suffers heavyly under the Japanese submarine onslaught, but with their better ASW and with some escort reinforments the submarine offensive peter out.

June 1, 1945: Austria, Bavaria and the Czech Republic are formed as independent nations as part of the Peace Treaty of Paris.

June 5, 1945: Rangoon is retaken by the 4th Army Group. Soon advance parties from the VII. Corps move angainst Singapore. As General Slim is recorded for saying: “The Jungle is our friend now!â€
General Ambrosio’s I.Armoured Corps is shipped home from the Ukraine. They leave all their equipment, however, to the fledgling Ukrainian Army along with a cadre of specialists to train them. Ambrosio and his men are celebrated as heroes from their arrival at Taranto to their parade through Rome side by side with General Messe’s veterans form the II.Armoured Corps. CCNN-general Enrico Francisci’s blackshirts stay in the Ukraine for the moment. During July and August they will be replaced by other Camini Nere-troops and regular Regio Esercito units.

June 9, 1945: A very moved Ciano is greeted by jubillant masses as he return to Roma. At an improvised rally near Palazzo Venizia, Ciano held one of his most memorable speaches ever: “As our dear departed Duce once said; the New Roman Empire goes to war! Now I stand before you, dear fellow Romans, and says; today the New Roman Empire has WON the war!†The huge mass of people went completely crazy at his word and broke out in thunderous applause and called Ciano Duce!

June 12, 1945: The Chinese Nationalists launches an attack at the Japanese forces in northern Burma. They are soon forcing the Japanese back into Thailand.

June 14, 1945: After having been delayed the British finnaly attack Singapore from both air, sea and land. The battleships Valiant and Warspite bombard the Japanese defenders merciless, while the RAF hammers them from the air. General Brownimgs troops land around the city and are soon supported by units from the 4th Army group and ANZAC-forces.

June 21, 1945: After a full week of heavy and bloody fighting the last Japanese forces in Singapore are defeated. Over 1,000 wounded Japanese commits suicide as the city falls.

June 28, 1945: German forces re-enter Warsaw and is able to push the Soviets back across the river.

June-July, 1945: The strain of war is beginning to show in Japan, where many politicians and the more moderate officers cannot see the need for continuing the war. The last months massive setbacks have opened their eyes for the fact, that they are losing the war. The Nationalists in China are growing in strength, they have even shown the world that they can beat the Japanese alone, Singapore has been recapture by the Allies, the Kido Butai suffered its first major defeat in battle and tension is rising in the Dutch East Indies.

July 2, 1945: As in Japan the strain of war is beginning to show in the Soviet Union. Stalin’s hold on power is slippingly. Across most of the USSR, wokers and peasant truly unite as a general strike spread rapidly throughout the country.

July-August, 1945: As the Red Army is trapped along the Vistula, Nationalist elements among the many suppressed minorities in the USSR begin to rise up and take up arms against the Communists. Guerrilla and partisan bands raid Red Army supply depots for weapons and supplies, or is covertly supllied by either the Germans or the Axis, and start to ambush Red Army patrols and smaller units.

August 1, 1945: The Soviet Union and Germany finally sign an armistice. The real peace negotiations will continue into the 50’s. Germany, USSR and the Allies will quarell over the re-establisment of Poland until 1948.

August 3, 1945: A Regia Marina task force centered around the new battleships Italia and Impero of the Littorio class, the light carrier Aquila and the fleet carrier Bruno Mussolini arrives at Singapore. A force of fast transports loaded with two reinforced regiments of the nearly legendary San Marco Marines accompany the Italian task force.

August-September, 1945: The 4th Army Group clears out the last remnants of Japanese resistance in Malaya and Burma, while Commonwealth and Italian units invades the Dutch East Indies..

September 22, 1945: The first unit, the 6. Stormo, of Caproni Reggiane 2007 jet-fighters become operational around La Spezia. A second unit is due to become operational in late ‘45.

September-October, 1945: British and Commonwealth forces invades Thailand. The Thai government soon collapses and the new government ask the Allies for terms, while it turn on its former Japanese ally. Japanese and Thai forces clash around the countryside. General Slim and the 4th Army Group soon drive the stranded Japanese back into Indochina.

October 3, 1945: Nationalist Chinese troops retake Beijing. Beijing is once angain the capital of China. Chiang Kai-shek enters in trumph.

October 5, 1945: Primeminister Atlee and Chief of Staff Alanbrooke visits the HQ of the 4th Army Group. Slim is promoted to Fieldmarshall.

October 15, 1945: The first two really modern Italian-designed tank enters production. The Carro Armato Celere Sahariano, a medium tank equiped with a long 76mm gun, is base on the British cruiser tanks. It, however, already seems somewhat outdated. The second design show more promise. The Carro Armato Pesante (heavy) 50/45 was a heavy 50-tonnes tank build around a reliable V12 engine and equipped with a heavy British-made 17pdr. maingun.

October 20, 1945: The majority of the Dutch East Indies are cleared of Japanese forces. Fighting will continued to the final surrender of the Japanese in late 1946.

November 1, 1945: The Allies begin to move against both Indochina, as French forces have now arrived in Burma and Thailand, and Hong Kong.

November 28, 1945: Ciano, Stalin and Atlee meet in Athens. Once again Harry Hopkins is present as an unofficila representative for the Americans. As Mussolini did Ciano insist that Ukraine is to be given its independence. Backed up by the powerfull armed forces of Axis, Ciano threatens Stalin with war if he does not comply! Stalin actually caves in as he know his Red Army is incapable of fighting a major war right now!

November-December, 1945: Fierce fighting in Indochina as France tries to re-establish control over their former colony. By the end of the year, France control most of the build-up areas, while the countryside is either controlled by the Viet-Minh or the Japanese.

December 22, 1945: At Alamogordo in New Mexico the US demonstrates a new powerfull weapon! At Enrico Fermi’s labs the workpace picks up.

December 23, 1945: A prototype of an inter-continental bomber is testflown by Regia Aeronautica pilots in Sicily. Though, it is only a proto-type it causes a great commotion in the medias, both the Italian and foreign ones. The big ungainly plane is, however, already nearly ouydated as the Macchi Mc.500 Jet bomber is test flown in early 1946.

December 30, 1945: After terrible losses and one the most fiercely contested battles of the war, Allied forces under the direct command of Fieldmarshall Slim himself is finally able to raise the Union Jack over the ruined city of Hong Kong. In London both Alanbrook and Atlee are shocked by the number of casualties. It is decided to concentrate on suppling and training Chiang Kai-shek’s Nationalists Chinese forces, blockading the Japanese Home Islands and bombing the populated areas into ruins for most of 1946, while the Commonwealth builds up its forces once again.
 
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Very good, Mr. Bluenose. Now don't tell me that you are going to stop. I am much more interested in the post-war period, and in seeing how the Mediterranean and the Black Sea will develop.
I forecast an economic boom in these areas once the first difficult years are over. The Americans have stayed out of the war, so they should be quite flush with cash, and willing to participate in the development.
Is Italia going to get a foothold in the Pacific, in consideration of their help against Japan? China should be happy of having another trading partner, and cadres for re-building the country. If Ciano and Grandi are smart enough, they will keep their entente with the USA in the Pacific theatre too.
I'd like to see what's goping to happen with DeGaulle. TTL France should be much more bitter and disillusioned than OTL.
 
I enjoyed this one. :) Of the 'bad four', Musso was the least-evil of the bunch (altho against Hitler, Stalin and Tojo, that ain't sayin' much.). However, in order for him to "grow a brain", I'm afraid an ASB is necessary... :p

I too would like very much to see this TL continued! :cool:
 
swamphen said:
I enjoyed this one. :) Of the 'bad four', Musso was the least-evil of the bunch (altho against Hitler, Stalin and Tojo, that ain't sayin' much.). However, in order for him to "grow a brain", I'm afraid an ASB is necessary... :p

Well, Mussolini was not so crazy as he was depicted by the Allied propaganda: his single big mistake was to assume the war was over in June 1940 (admittedly, a very big mistake). Don't forget that the same man who would be reviled a few years later had the sympathy of many European leaders pre-1939 (including Churchill). The mistake was in getting on the German side: even if he had chosen the winning side, to live in a Nazi-dominated Europe would not have been nice
 
US mistakes NO

Remenber without Roosevelt to give away Formosa, And Salhalkin Islands. Japan comes out different than OTL. And will Britian make the US mistake of Using the Capured Japanese to continue running Korea.
 
DuQuense said:
Remenber without Roosevelt to give away Formosa, And Salhalkin Islands. Japan comes out different than OTL. And will Britian make the US mistake of Using the Capured Japanese to continue running Korea.

I confess that Formosa was what I had in mind for giving Italia a foothold (king-size) in the Pacific.
I do agree that it is better not to use Japanese POWs to run Korea. OTOH, I would also like to keep Manchuria independent from China (that would be harder than Formosa; in TTL, however, Ukraine was surgically removed from USSR, so why not Manchuria from China? Given the abundant resources, Manchuria would really look like a Far east Ukraine - and again it would be the place where to implement an USA/Axis economical cooperation): with proper management and capitals, it could be the first of the New Tigers
 

Grey Wolf

Donor
Interesting; I've not been folllowing this closely enough to comment sensibly, though this struck me as odd :-

At the great peace conference in Paris, the Italian diplomates sidetracked the French and made sure Germany remained more or less as it had been before the war. A few changes occurred, though, Austria and Bavaria emerged as independent countries.

The last sentence seems to completely negate the previous one, its quite a significant loss of territory, and puts the German border in a really odd place, as well as being quite a loss of industry (off the top of my head BfG and BMW)
and prestige.

Grey Wolf
 
Grey Wolf said:
Interesting; I've not been folllowing this closely enough to comment sensibly, though this struck me as odd :-

At the great peace conference in Paris, the Italian diplomates sidetracked the French and made sure Germany remained more or less as it had been before the war. A few changes occurred, though, Austria and Bavaria emerged as independent countries.

The last sentence seems to completely negate the previous one, its quite a significant loss of territory, and puts the German border in a really odd place, as well as being quite a loss of industry (off the top of my head BfG and BMW)
and prestige.

Grey Wolf

You are mostly right, but I interpreted Bluenose's sentence as saying that no occupation zone will be created in Germany, and the French-German border will not change. In TTL Germany is still a (almost) viable proposition: even if the cities were hammered by bombings, Germans are holding on the Eastern front. Compared with OTL, they got out of the war almost unscathed, even if they are going to loose Bavaria and Austria (plus Bohemia and the Sudetenland).
Maybe I'm reading too much into this (and Bluenose should confirm) but I've the impression that France came out of the war much weaker (and with much less consideration) than in OTL. Remember that the USA stayed out of the war (no Marshall plan), and that with the Axis holding the southern European flank there is no need for USA/UK to support French pretensions to create a bulwark against Russia
 
BTW, if France wanted to carve up Germany (De Gaulle made a try for it OTL, didn't it?), the first thing to be set up would be a Rhineland (or even a Westphalia). As it is, France is still adjoining the (rump) Germany, while the buffer states shield the Balkans and Italy. Not a truly perfect situation from a French POV
 
Hrmhrm, Kalvan, it's BlueNOTE, not Bluenose... :)

swamphen said:
I enjoyed this one. :) Of the 'bad four', Musso was the least-evil of the bunch (altho against Hitler, Stalin and Tojo, that ain't sayin' much.). However, in order for him to "grow a brain", I'm afraid an ASB is necessary... :p
Thank you, Swamphen! Hmm, as Kalvan points out, Mussolini was not that dumb, eventhough he seems somewhat dim at times. Actually he's a bit of an enigma. He could be clever, inteligent, eloquent and likable, but sometimes he seemed in dire need of a brain, yes! Not having any fascists sympathies, I must admit that I kinda like Mussolini.

DuQuense said:
Remenber without Roosevelt to give away Formosa, And Salhalkin Islands. Japan comes out different than OTL. And will Britian make the US mistake of Using the Capured Japanese to continue running Korea.
The situation in the Far East is giving me some trouble. As I see it, right now, the British and the Commonwealth will burn themselves out pushing the Japanese back. It will be a tough and rather cruel war, where the Japanese will be given no quarter, nor ask for any!

LordKalvan said:
You are mostly right, but I interpreted Bluenose's sentence as saying that no occupation zone will be created in Germany, and the French-German border will not change.
Yes, you're quite right! But now that GW mentions it, I can see the sentence might strike one as being odd! Germany will be a country ruled by Germans, with an Army and what not! I got the idea of an independent Bavaria after reading a Churchill biography - it's mentioned -, and thought it would fit nicely with the Pope excommunicating Hitler and the Nazi's... Catholic Italia would likely get along nicely with Bavaria and Austria...

LordKalvan said:
Maybe I'm reading too much into this (...) but I've the impression that France came out of the war much weaker (...)
Yeah, the French are in trouble. No Marshall plan and heavy fighting in Indochina...

Well, I have some material for a prologue, but if you guys are interested, I'll see if I can cook up some posts for the late 40's, the 50's and perhaps the 60's?!

Thanks a lot for all your feedback!

Best reagds!

- Mr.Bluenote. ;)
 
Mr.Bluenote said:
Hrmhrm, Kalvan, it's BlueNOTE, not Bluenose... :)

I'm covered in shame and do apologise. :( It will never happen again

Going to the end of your last post, I'd love seeing a continuation of TTL. The Far east is intriguing, and maybe you could also address the Russian situation.
In OTL Stalin was not a nice guy, but he managed to win his war, was accepted as an ally and Russia became a big power. Since victory is the best medicine ever, a lot of things were forgiven and forgotten. TTL, the situation is not so nice. Russia lost Ukraine, is not making significant progresses in poland, and is likely not to be considered a first class winner in the end. This might exacerbate internal tensions. What do you think?
 
I'd really like to see it continued up to the 60s...and maybe beyond? :)

One thing I have to ask: in TTL, did My Favorite Person from All of
History, Soviet ace Lydia Litvyak, suffer the same fate she did in OTL
or is she still around?
 
LordKalvan said:
I'm covered in shame and do apologise. :( It will never happen again
Haha, it's allright, Kalvan. I actually thought you did it on pupose, you know joking a bit! :)

LordKalvan said:
(...) The Far east is intriguing, and maybe you could also address the Russian situation.
Funny thing, I started the TL as an Italian one, but the moment the War broke out in earnest, the focus kinda shifted on its own! Nonetheless, yeah, I'll probably have to do a lot about the Far East, Europe and the Soviet Union.

LordKalvan said:
In OTL Stalin was not a nice guy, but he managed to win his war, was accepted as an ally and Russia became a big power. (...) Russia lost Ukraine, is not making significant progresses in poland, and is likely not to be considered a first class winner in the end. This might exacerbate internal tensions. What do you think?
The war was harder in Italia Eterna, believe it or not, so the Soviets are reallly worn out in 1945 - just like in OTL, only alot worse. That taken in consideration, I think that a stalled front in Poland, no invasion of Manchuria and a heck of a mess on the home formt is pretty likely... I don't know if the USSR will stay Communistic, though - maybe a military revolt? But that's been seen before. I'm actually more inclined to have Uncle Joe consolidate his power and come back around 1950 loking for some pay back, when the British and French have bled themselves white out in the East!

swamphen said:
I'd really like to see it continued up to the 60s...and maybe beyond? :)?
Okay, then I'll give it a go! I can visualize the late 40's and most of the 50's, but the 60's and 70's without Vietnam etc etc, that I'm having some problems with! How would Gemany and Japan look 20 years after this ATL's 2nd World War? What about the US? Would they turn highly isolationistic? Perhaps the victorious fascisti movement take hold in Britain and France as well?

Oh, btw, in my former post I of course meant I had material for an epilogue, not a prologue! Ooops! :eek:

swamphen said:
One thing I have to ask: in TTL, did My Favorite Person from All of History, Soviet ace Lydia Litvyak, suffer the same fate she did in OTL or is she still around?
Oh, she might still be around, but then again fighting on the Eastern Front was worse, so...

Best regards!

- Bluenose. ;)
 
Mr.Bluenote said:
Haha, it's allright, Kalvan. I actually thought you did it on pupose, you know joking a bit! :)
I think I got you in the end :rolleyes: the apology was disproportionate to the damage

Mr.Bluenote said:
Funny thing, I started the TL as an Italian one, but the moment the War broke out in earnest, the focus kinda shifted on its own! Nonetheless, yeah, I'll probably have to do a lot about the Far East, Europe and the Soviet Union.


The war was harder in Italia Eterna, believe it or not, so the Soviets are reallly worn out in 1945 - just like in OTL, only alot worse. That taken in consideration, I think that a stalled front in Poland, no invasion of Manchuria and a heck of a mess on the home formt is pretty likely... I don't know if the USSR will stay Communistic, though - maybe a military revolt? But that's been seen before. I'm actually more inclined to have Uncle Joe consolidate his power and come back around 1950 loking for some pay back, when the British and French have bled themselves white out in the East!
If Uncle Joe is coming back for more, the guys who will get the biggest worries are Germany and the Axis. After all, France and UK are sheltered behind them. Unless you think that USSR could go along different lines. Look at this: UK is focussed on Empire, so I expect that in TTL Indian indipendence will not be a done thing. They might get some devolution, and they might not.
1950 is not so far away, but Uncle Joe could fuel the resentment of Indian indipendentists, and even start a Mao-type guerrilla, sending in supplies through Persia and Afghanistan. It is a bit difficult to make up a suitable invasion route for a modern army (logistics would be awful) but it would be a different scenario for sure. Russia would avoid confronting head-on Germany and the Axis, and, as you say, the Far East should have bled both French and British.

BTW, what's happening in China? The Nationalists should be doing somehow better in TTL. The big issue is how much the Americans are sending them, and thru which route
 
Thinking better on the above, I believe Russia will do the classic Russian thing, and try to pick up Persia. Now this is an interesting scenario: the Axis is in Turkey and Iraq; UK is in the Gulf and India (and obviously in Khuzestan and Southern Persia). It should be a nice, messy confrontation. We might even see an Afghan-style situation 50 years earlier (the Turks fuelling Moslem populations in the Caucasus, and promoting pan-Turkism in Central Asia. The Russians engineering a coup - if not a blunt invasion - from the Caspian sea. And finally the British trying to juggle all the balls in the air). Mind, Persia situation is different in TTL: there has been no abdication of Reza Shah and he might still be on the throne. In such a case, he would be more sympathetic toward the Axis.
And obviously no one (including even the USA) can afford a Russian stranglehold on the Persian Gulf. Not that I can see an American intervention: their strategy would be to develop Iraq (which is in the Axis field) and give aid to the Axis in general, and to Turkey in particular. It would be something completely different from OTL, even if the pieces on the board are the same
 
LordKalvan said:
I think I got you in the end :rolleyes: the apology was disproportionate to the damage
Indeed! :)

LordKalvan said:
If Uncle Joe is coming back for more, the guys who will get the biggest worries are Germany and the Axis. After all, France and UK are sheltered behind them. Unless you think that USSR could go along different lines. Look at this: UK is focussed on Empire, so I expect that in TTL Indian indipendence will not be a done thing. They might get some devolution, and they might not.
I have this idea about Germany and the USSR reaching an understandment of sorts - I don't think that the Germans would want to dance with the bear for some time. Besides, Poland will probably emerge between to two. So, as you say, it's the Axis (Ukraine), the British Empire, Persia (that was not occupied in this ATL - no Germans in NA, hence no Russo-British invasion of Persia to protect supply-lines) and what ever states emerges out of the Japanese collapse out east... Perhaps a Machurian War instead of a Korean one? USSR invades Machuria in 1950 and British forces scramble to protect the infant state? War between China and the USSR? There are endless posibilities, I think...
Or as you say, a Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and/or Persia. I think that Stalin will hate the Brits for their percieved betrayal in the War and for their support of Poland, Ukraine etc etc...

LordKalvan said:
BTW, what's happening in China? The Nationalists should be doing somehow better in TTL. The big issue is how much the Americans are sending them, and thru which route
I suppose Chiang Kai-shek is doing rather well, both the Brits and the Americans are suppling him as OTL, but Mao will not be aided by Stalin, who has problems of his very own.

Once again, thanks for you comments and ideas!

Best regards!

- Bluenote.
 
Mr.Bluenote said:
Indeed! :)


I have this idea about Germany and the USSR reaching an understandment of sorts - I don't think that the Germans would want to dance with the bear for some time. Besides, Poland will probably emerge between to two. So, as you say, it's the Axis (Ukraine), the British Empire, Persia (that was not occupied in this ATL - no Germans in NA, hence no Russo-British invasion of Persia to protect supply-lines) and what ever states emerges out of the Japanese collapse out east... Perhaps a Machurian War instead of a Korean one? USSR invades Machuria in 1950 and British forces scramble to protect the infant state? War between China and the USSR? There are endless posibilities, I think...
Or as you say, a Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and/or Persia. I think that Stalin will hate the Brits for their percieved betrayal in the War and for their support of Poland, Ukraine etc etc...
Quite reasonable. Germany and Russia cannot go on too long slugging each other (even if Uk and the Axis are rooting for this): Germany is certainly exhausted, and the loss of Bavaria will be felt (less manpower). The peace treaty with UK would have included some provisions for a restored Poland: the best bet would be for a restored Poland with the 1939 borders. This is the most acceptable solutions for the two belligerents too: a buffer state is re-created between Germany and Russia. Now, the question is what policy the new Polish state will implement (or will be allowed to implement :rolleyes: )
There is quite a change in Central Europe, with a strong presence of the Axis. OTOH, the major interest of the Axis will be to develop Ukraine (both for manpower and resources). The new Czech republic is also likely to be attracted within the Axis sphere; same for Hungary and Austria (and probably Bavaria). While the Axis is not a confessional alliance (there are a lot of Moslems inside the alliance, even if all of them are located in laicist states), the presence of both Italy and Spain may give it a Catholic flavor. The Vatican may also have been instrumental in detaching Bavaria from Germany.
With the exception of Bohemia, all the new (or restored) Central European states are mainly Catholic: even Ukraine has a strong Catholic component, which will be favored to completely detach them from Russia. The question should be if the Axis (ok, mainly Italia) has the economical and financial strength to go and creating a strong economical sphere of influence in central and Eastern Europe. The answer is yes, if we assume that the USA will consider the Axis a necessary bulwark against both Russia and Germany. Additionally, there should be quite a virgin market where American companies would be expected to make significant profits. Considering that Bavaria, Austria and Bohemia can contribute a strong technical cadre, it could be done. It takes a man with a real vision to lead along this path. It might have been done by the Roosvelt and Mussolini of the 1930s: I have a few doubts that their successors are cut of the same cloth.

Mr.Bluenote said:
I suppose Chiang Kai-shek is doing rather well, both the Brits and the Americans are suppling him as OTL, but Mao will not be aided by Stalin, who has problems of his very own.

- Bluenote.
What is going to be the final settlement in Far East? UK will be quite stretched if they want to do everything on their own (Manchuria, Korea, occupation duties in Japan). The French will be lucky to be able to recover Indochina, I strongly doubt that they may give any help in the North.
UK will want to keep Hong kong, and maybe Shanghai too. This will not help in terms of making the Chinese very friendly, the more so if the British want to keep Manchuria as a separate state. Plus the DEI will be an issue too. An Imperial britain will not see favourably a decolonisation in OTL Indonesia, which might open unwelcome doors in India and Indochina.
Let's make a guess: joint occupation of Japan with the Axis (just to make it more interesting, let's assume that Turkey is also sending troops to the Far East - it happened for Korea, after all). Manchuria set up as an indipendent state with British protection. Same for Korea.
Italia gets Formosa as a protectorate, the former (pre WW1) German colonies in the Pacific and Okinawa.
The Nationalist Chinese are quite pissed off (Manchuria, Tibet, Formosa, Hong Kong, maybe even Shanghai). There might even be a rapproachment with Uncle Joe in the cards.
What do you think?
 
Late 40’s
Do you remember that month of April,
that long train heading to the front.
It carried thousands of Alpini:
let's go let's go, it's time to leave!
It carried thousands of Alpini:
let's go let's go, it's time to leave!


After three days of railroad,
and two more long on foot,
we arrived to Mt. Canino
and we had to rest under the cloudless sky...
we arrived to Mt. Canino
and we had to rest under the cloudless sky...


If you are hungry then look far
if you are thirsty take you cup in hand
if you are thirsty take you cup in hand
the snow will quench our thirst.
if you are thirsty take you cup in hand
the snow will quench our thirst.

- English Translation of Mount Canino, popular Alpini WW1-song

As the fighting petered out in Europe the New Italian Empire emerged as one of the post-war worlds dominant powers. Mussolini and his successor as Italian Duce, Ciano, and their clique of progressive Fascisti, the so-called Leonardi, had created a new, modern and efficient Italia and opportunistically expanded the Empire by cynically exploiting the weaknesses of the other European powers, France in particular, as they battled each other to a bloody standstill.

Since the Leonardi entered the political scene in Italia the former stagnating and rather backward country had progressed, both economically, industrially and, not to forget, socially, with an impressive pace. The liberal immigration laws before and during the War, combined with the Nazi’s insane genocidal policies, had provided Italia with the settlers necessary to start re-populating their Empire with well-educated and industrious Europeans, thus kick-starting the development of the African Coloinies, and creating a middle-class fanatically loyal to King, Party and Country – not necessarily in that order, though.
The Fascisti under first Mussolini and now Ciano had in tandem with the King shown to be an unifying factor in the otherwise deeply devided country. Now the riches of Italia was more evenly spread, no Northener saw his Southern neighbours as poor beggars, nor did any Southerner scorn Northerners as Capitalistic pigs. Still, there were pockets of poverty; Albania, Corsica, parts of Libya, Sicily and Tunesia was in general underdeveloped and suffered from a lack of investment. Likewise was organised crime a problem in many of the very same parts of the now widespread Italian Empire. It was nothing that an increase in public investments and a reinforced bureaucracy along with a few hundred hard men from the Opera Vigilanza Repressione Antifascismo or OVRA (Secret State Police) could not remidee with time.

Time was, however, not necessarily on the Empire’s side. Italia’s and therefor the New Italian Empire’s economy had been booming before the War, and with the influx of American investments grew even in those darkest days as the Germans briefly advanced down the peninsula. The sweeping economic and social reforms of the mid and late 30s and the discovery of oil in Libya and other valuable resources around the Empire had helped the Leonardi to expand the Italian economy and industrial base immensely. Now that the War had ended, the economy was one of the major concerns in Giuseppe Bottai’s Ministri dell'Industria e del Economia Nazionale (Ministry of Industry and National Economy) and among the Leonardi in the Ministri delle Finanze (Ministry of Finance). Duce Ciano’s idea of a free trade zone and a political forum for members of the Axis and associated countries did cause some Leonardi to worry that cheap products would push Italian made products out of the marked, but as the matter was discussed in some detail it was soon obvious that for the forseable future there simply was no competition, nor were any bound to arise any time soon. There, however, was the big problem of widespread poverty and devastation in most of Europe. The Leonardi thought that with sufficient economic backing they could rebuild and expand not only ther Empire’s economy, industry and infrastructure, but also that of their Axis-allies. Bottai and the financial wizards concocted a scheme to generate income by selling weapons to fellow Axis-members in return for raw-materials and to mostly South American countries in return for much needed cash, selling oil, gas and coal to whoever could afford it, borrowing heavily on very favoritable terms from the Americans and, finally, to open up both Italia and the Empire to foreign investors besides the Americans – as the Italian themselves poured resources into their new military and economic partners, they needed help to keep developing the oversea Empire. Even with Roosewelt dead, his successor, Harry Truman, who more or less owed his election as President to the many Italian and Jewish votes, was very attentive and sympathetic to the Italians needs. The unique cross-continental Italo-American relationship would be a great boon for Italia in the years to come as American loans and investments helped fuel the Italian economy and keep it afloat.

By accepting the flood of refugees form Europe and integrating them with ruthless efficiency, thus substantially altering the demographic composition of the Colonies, the Leonardi and Italia as such, had created a large group of loyal and industrious supporters. Several high-ranking Leonarid see the Italians ability to channel Europena refugees overseas as the meain reason for the Empire's succes. In other words Italia only became an Empire because of its access, so to speak, to settlers. All in all over 3 million people left the Continent to settle in the Colonies before and during the War and this allowed for the creation and subsequent consolidation of the New Italian Empire. The almost aggressive integration process hadn’t been a painless one, as some of the original inhabitants in the Colonies much to their horror suddenly found themselves a minority in their own homelands. Some reacted violently, with anti-Semitic and, seen from Rome, even worse, anti-Italian riots, but was crushed with extreme severity by the battle hardened and self-confidnet Regio Esercito. Most of the time the growing Colonial middle-class merely asked for, and usually got, respect for their native culture and religion. As the European War ended the Italians restricted immigration to the Colonies somewhat, but still took in those who had something to offer the Empire, and sometimes those who were just being persecuted. Strangely enough the Leonardi and the Italians in general seemed quite pleased with their reputation as the good samaritans of Europe.

Not only the various financial ministries had their work cut out for them in the post-war period. In Dino Grandi’s Ministri degli Affari esteri (Foreign Ministry) tensions ran high as well as the diplomates strived to deal with a new and very different world. Many of the new nations in Central and Eastern Europe had difficulties with each other regarding minorities and their mutual borders. Most of the time, Grandi and the envoys from the Foreign Ministry succeded in creating acceptable compromises, but sometimes had to threaten with brute force as in the case of Hungary and Rumania. The situation was not truly solved and would haunt the Ministri degli Affari esteri for several years, until it finally exploded in the mid-50’s.

The most pressing matter was still the situation along the Vistula where the fighting between Germany and the Soviet Union continued, although with a rather subdued intensity as both countries was nearing their breaking points. Germany had been bombed and dismembered and the once mighty Soviet Union was plagued by rebellion and the loss of the Ukraine and uncounted millions of lives. The new German leader, former general, now Reichspresident Ewald von Kleist hoped to force the Soviets into a peace somewhat advantageous for the Germans, while Stalin needed a victory against the Fascist to bolster his failing grip on power. The war finally ended in late 1946 when former SS-Oberstgruppenführer Sepp Deitrich and a crack Panzer Army consisting of veterans from the old SS-units struck out from Krakow and drow north in an offensive reminiscent of the early 40’s. As the Soviet lines collapsed the Red Army’s leadership and the STAVKA began to panic. In Moscow Stalin knew he had to make peace, and make peace fast. Ironically a new Poland re-emerged on the world stage created by the strength of German arms and fittingly bought by German blood. Both von Keist and Stalin saw Poland as a bulwark against the other, but none of them were willing to supply the new nation with land, so to speak. With the new German victories, Stalin had to swallow the bitter brew of defeat and give the Poles back the land he had stolen from them back in the autumn of 1939. Likewise did the Baltic states re-emerge, but the Soviet kept their gains in Finland.

Poland was not the only place the Red Army saw action in the late 40’s, besides, of course, crushing the nummerous internal uprisings. In the regions bordering northern and eastern Ukraine there were continious figthing on scales both small and large, eventhough a peace treaty had been signed. It seemed, however, that the Ukrainian and their former masters in Moscow could not in reality agree on the precise border between the two countries. For most of the periode between the peace in Europe and mid-1948 the USSR and Ukraine fought one long undeclared border war. Italia, not wanting the war to flare up again, still saw the need to support their new ally, so a volunteer cossack unit was formed in Italia, manned by anti-Comminist veterans from all over Europe and equipped by the Regio Esercito. The Gruppo Autonomo Cosacchi saw extensive combat during the entire period and was used by the Comando Supremo to test new weapons, tactics and to train officers. The Gruppo was nearly 30,000 man strong when the USSR and Ukraine finally agreed on the borders. Nearly half the force ended up in French Indochina fighting Nguyen Sinh Cung’s Communistic Viet-Minh guerillas on behalf of the French, and to make sure the Regia Marina kept its new naval bases.

After the end of hostilities in Europe, France was in dire need of cash to fund a reconstruction effort and finance their war against the various Nationalistic movements that had sprung up in their colonial empire. Britain had their own pressing problems and therefore were in no position, nor in any mood to offer much aid or even comfort to the French!
The French government thus tried every possible way of getting financial aid, any aid, including asking the much despised Italians. With the United States very firmly behind the New Italian Empire, it seemed to be the only way of getting any help. The Italians, however, were very forthcoming, but demand a steep price indeed. First of all, the Italians wanted their gains recognized by the French governmant and the Regia Marina wanted some naval bases in Madagascar and Indochina, all under Italian rule and having extra-territoriality! The hard pressed French finally agreed after nearly six months of debate in the Chamber of Deputies and amongst the French Cabinet itself, where DeGaulle was replaced by the phlegmatic LeClerc in late ‘46! In the spring of 1947 shipments of oil, coal and even food began to flow from the New Italian Empire to the failing French ditto. Combined with favorable loans and payments in hard currency the LeClerc-Government managed to bring some stability to France.

In the Far East the Royal Navy, aided by the Axis naval units send to reinforce their war-time allies, saw plenty of action as they battled the increasingly desperate Nihon Teikoku Kaigun, or Japanese Imperial Navy, for control of the sea-lanes and various islands in South East Asia. As the Asian War, as its was known after the European Peace, dragged on, Britain experienced its own problems as they fought to keep their Empire together and defeat the Japanese, while stepping ever closer to a fullscale depression. Morale in Britain and the Commonwealth suffered as the public saw some two hundred thousand young men become casualties in the Far East, and the late 40’s saw an all-time low in patriotic fevor in Britain and the Commonwealth. Draft riots was not only a Soviet problem as the 1940’s drew to an end.
Far from having suffered the grievious losses of Germany and the Soviet Union, Britain was being worn down at a steady pace, and the loss is not to be measured by bare numbers only. The soldiers who bore the brunt of the fighting, especially early in the European War, had been the volunteers, the brightest and the bravest, inspired by the lofty altruistic ideals that were so dominant in the traditional British upbringing. In the eyes of the common Briton, not to mention the common Australian and Canadian, the British politicians and generals had sacrificed with the noblest of intends, no doubt, probably the best and finest men ever to go to war. The lack of Churchills’ inspirational and energetic personality was now felt by Atlee and his Cabinet as they struggled to unite the British and Commonwealth populations behind the increasingly unpopular war!
Because of the domestic situation most of the fighting on the Asian mainland was conducted by the Chinese and mostly Indian divisions, while the Royal Navy slowly blockaded the Japanese Home Isles and the Royal Airforce began to bombe the Japanese cities into ruins as more and more heavy bombers got transfered from Europe. The first 1,000 bombers raid launched at a Japanses city, Kagoshima, leveled the city completely. Those who did not die in the bombings, subsequently did in the firestorms. In 1947 those bombing raids more than anything else, including the sinking of the last operational Kaigun units and Shiang Kai-shek’s China is One-proclamation, brought the Japanses Empire to the negotiating table.
For most of the remaining decade the British Foreing Office tried to make some sense out of the mess in Asia. Shiang Kai-shek had more or less liberated his own country and now waged a very successful campaign against the Chinese Communists. While he was preoccupied, the Brits recognized the Manchurian Empire under Emperor Pu-Yi, but had a pro-British government installed. Henry Pu-Yi didn’t really mind much as he was used to being merely a puppet anyway. Furthermore Shianghai and Hong Kong was proclaimed respectively an open port, soon to be controlled by a multi-national force, and an integrated part of the Empire. Korea too gained its long awaited independence under the auspice of Britain. Needless to say, Shiang Kai-shek was not pleased, but was rather busy at the time, so he had to accept the British decision, for now...
The British fairly soon recognized the fact that they could not hold their Empire down by force, so something would have to go, especially since the various Indian divisions began to show a reluctance to accept commands from their British officers, and most of the Commonwealth units began to demobilize even before the formal peace treaty with Japan was signed. The first former colony to gain independence was the Dutch East Indies – not a British colony in the first place, it seemed like a good place to start! Soon Malaya and Burma followed suit, and finally in october 1949, after much bloodshed and trouble, India gained its independence from Britain.
Most of the Asian War and now the somewhat haphazard peace settlement had undermined Atlee’s government and in the 1950 General Election Labour lost with an extremely wide margin. Anthony Eden and his Conservative Party won the Election rather handidly, but had the same problems as the former government, so their politics all in all weren’t that different. One thing did change, however, Eden got Churchill to come out of his retiremt and travel the country holding speeches and generally rekindling people’s spirit. The General Election of 1950 saw Oswald Mosley’s British Union gain 5 seats in the House of Commons and several smaller unsuccessful Fascist Parties run.

The post-war world offered much hardship for the Italians, but the average Italian went about his business with a newfound pride and industry. A severe blow was delivered to the Italian resolve in Maj, 1948, as Italo Balbo, the Eagle himself and the man more than any responsible for the rebirth of Italia, died in a plane crash. As he used to, Balbo had been flying one of the Regia Aeronautica’s newest proto-types, the heavy 8-engine Macchi Mc.2000 jetbomber when something went terribly wrong and the plane blew up in mid-air. The enormous state funeral in Rome was very impressive indeed and, some say, even more emotional than Mussolini’s funeral in ’44. All the leading Fascisti gathered with nearly a half a million, if not more, Italian citizens and thousands of Regia Aeronautica personel to pay their final respects for the beloved Eagle.
 
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