It's quite well known that the Rus started out as a Norse (I think Swedish?) conquest, along with other minor Norse-Russian Kingdoms in the South, so is it possible that the Russian region at least in the west) could become fully Germanic and be considered a Nordic State?
Germanic Russia?
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Erm, that would be tricky. It would take the Northern Crusades perhaps, which would be incomparably nastier.
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The closest you are going to get is to have no Hunnic invasion of Europe and the Romans hang on for a couple hundred more years if not longer. The Germanic tribes stay in place and don't get pushed/pulled out of Central/Eastern Europe opening up room for the Slavs and Steppe peoples in the East. The arrival of waves of Steppe peoples made it virtually impossible to maintain a Germanic Eastern Europe though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_nomads
At best you can have a Germanic Eastern Europe up until the Mongols show up and then they get wiped away, but the various other nomadic peoples would come in and wipe out the Rus eventually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_nomads
At best you can have a Germanic Eastern Europe up until the Mongols show up and then they get wiped away, but the various other nomadic peoples would come in and wipe out the Rus eventually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus'
Delvestius
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I do not think Nordic colonization of Ingria is out of the question, but anything more than that is unlikely.
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Didn't Time magazine do a genetic test of the people in the region and determine most are of Scandinavia heritage?
Delvestius
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Wouldn't surprise me. Staraya Ladoga was Norse city and the most important trading city on the Baltic during the Pagan age.
Could there have been some kind of later Germanic invasion that put a Germanic culture into the ruling class a la the Norman Invasion of England, initially creating a society stratified between Slavs on the bottom and Germanic lords on top, but resulting in a language and culture that blends the two?
EDIT: LOL, wait, a European invasion of Russia... only the wet dream of every major European conqueror who forgets about Russian winters. Never mind.
EDIT: LOL, wait, a European invasion of Russia... only the wet dream of every major European conqueror who forgets about Russian winters. Never mind.
Well, there is kind of invasion sort like the one you describe. It is a successful Barbarossa followed by something similar to Generalplan Ost.
Russian Winters are no different than Winter in any other Northern European country; Napoleon got so hammered because that Winter was the one of the coldest and worst winter in several centuries owing to the planet having been in one of the coldest parts of the Little Ice Age.
that, and France can hardly be called out as one of the northern parts of Europe that is used to that kind of Winter ... you'd have to have someone from the baltic coast or more to the north to know how to handle it
If one somehow stops or mitigates the Hun invasion, you could possibly have a Gothic Russia. The Goths did live in what is now Ukraine for a while.