Fw 190 BMW 801 Effect on Radial Engine Use

hammo1j

Donor
The Fw 190 was famous for giving a low aerodynamic profile to the radial engine. The BMW 801 used a design whereby a fan assisted the cooling of the engine, not just the normal airflow.

From Wikipedia

The BMW 801 was cooled by forced air from a magnesium alloy cooling fan, 10-bladed in the initial models, but 12-bladed in most engines. The fan rotated at 1.72 times the crankshaft speed (3.17 times the propeller speed).[11] Air from the fan was blown into the center of the engine in front of the propeller gearing housing, and the shape of the housing and the engine itself carried the air to the outside of the cowling and across the cylinders. A set of slots or gills at the rear of the cowling allowed the hot air to escape. This provided effective cooling although at the cost of about 70 PS (69 hp, 51.5 kW) required to drive the fan when the aircraft was at low speed. Above 170 miles per hour (270 km/h), the fan absorbed little power directly as the vacuum effect of the airflow past the air exits provided the needed flow.[11]


The 801 used a relatively complex system, integral to the BMW-designed, matching forward cowling system, to cool the lubricating oil. A ring-shaped oil cooler core was built into the BMW-provided forward cowl, just behind the fan. The outer portion of the oil cooler's core was in contact with the main cowling's sheetmetal, to possibly act as a heat sink. Comprising the BMW-designed forward cowl, in front of the oil cooler was a ring of metal with a C-shaped cross-section, with the outer lip lying just outside the rim of the cowl, and the inner side on the inside of the oil cooler core. Together, the metal ring and cowling formed an S-shaped airflow path, with the oil cooler's core contained between them. Airflow past the gap between the cowl and outer lip of the metal ring produced a vacuum effect that pulled air from the front of the engine outward and forward within the cowl's frontmost inner area just behind the fan, flowing forward across the oil cooler core in a separate airflow path from the rearwards-direction flow that cooled the engine's cylinders, just to provide cooling for the 801's oil. The rate of cooling airflow over the core could be controlled by moving the metal ring slightly forward or aft in order to open or close the gap.[12]

The reasons for this complex system were threefold. One was to eliminate any extra aerodynamic drag that a protruding oil cooler would produce, in this case eliminating the extra drag factor by enclosing it within the engine's forward cowling. The second was to warm the air before it flowed to the oil cooler's circular-shaped core to aid warming the oil during starting. Finally, by placing the oil cooler behind the fan, cooling was provided even while the aircraft was parked. The downside to this design was that the oil cooler was in an extremely vulnerable location, and the metal ring was increasingly armoured as the war progressed.

The Superfortress Wright R-3350 was notorious for blowing certain pairs of cylinders in the back row and that meant regular replacement even if there was no discernable damage.

Now I am not engaged on a German wank here because I believe Allied Tech was actually superior and superiorly applied, but could the BMW fan arrangement have sorted some of the problems on the big Allied radials.

I do remember reading about a German test pilot having his feet toasted by the Fw190 prototype with Kurt's original spinner but this looks like they managed to get the heat exchange/aerodynamics pretty well sorted.
 

SwampTiger

Banned
The fan cooled radial was tested in the USA during the 1930's. Pratt&Whitney and Wright chose to go without. Improvements to cowling design worked fine on engines up to the R-2600. Both used improved cylinder fin and baffle designs on their larger radials. Wright failed to provide enough air to two rear cylinders on the R-3300. The knowledge and technology was there, if the manufacturers wanted it.
The info on the fan system is in the on-line NACA files, if you are interested. The fan took a substantial penalty in power to run.
 
Dear Hammo 1,
The first FW 190 test pilot complained of a hot cockpit because rudder pedals were very close to the engine firewall. All later FW 190s moves the cockpit farther aft.

The FW-190 prototype was not the only airplane tested with a ring spinner. Many other manufacturers tested ring-spinners, but none succeeded.

B-29 was not the only airplane to suffer cooling problems with rear cylinders. Air-folded engine’s always struggle to provide equal amounts of cooling air to rear cylinders. Even today, the bigger 520 and 550 cubic inch, flat-6 engines (made by Continental and Lycoming) are often fitted with electronic temperatures monitors to help pilots avoid running any single cylinder too “hot.”
FW-190’s tight cowling did influence cowling design on the late-war Lockheed Constellation transport which was optimized for the lowest possible era while cruising across the Atlantic. Those double-row Wright R-3350 engines proved troublesome when first introduced and competing airlines made sarcastic comments about Constelllations being “the best three-engined airplane flying the North Atlantic Route!”
 

marathag

Banned
Those double-row Wright R-3350 engines proved troublesome when first introduced
The Consolidated B-32 had fewer cooling issues than the B-29, due to better nacelle design and addition cooling flap areas.
But no nacelle design could get around the issues of the engine construction, where the contractors, Dodge, suggested the own fixes that were later implemented. The people at Wright were idiots. Had that company be in Germany or the USSR, people would have been shot.
 
The Fw 190 was famous for giving a low aerodynamic profile to the radial engine. The BMW 801 used a design whereby a fan assisted the cooling of the engine, not just the normal airflow.
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The reasons for this complex system were threefold. One was to eliminate any extra aerodynamic drag that a protruding oil cooler would produce, in this case eliminating the extra drag factor by enclosing it within the engine's forward cowling. The second was to warm the air before it flowed to the oil cooler's circular-shaped core to aid warming the oil during starting. Finally, by placing the oil cooler behind the fan, cooling was provided even while the aircraft was parked. The downside to this design was that the oil cooler was in an extremely vulnerable location, and the metal ring was increasingly armoured as the war progressed.

The Superfortress Wright R-3350 was notorious for blowing certain pairs of cylinders in the back row and that meant regular replacement even if there was no discernable damage.

Now I am not engaged on a German wank here because I believe Allied Tech was actually superior and superiorly applied, but could the BMW fan arrangement have sorted some of the problems on the big Allied radials.

I do remember reading about a German test pilot having his feet toasted by the Fw190 prototype with Kurt's original spinner but this looks like they managed to get the heat exchange/aerodynamics pretty well sorted.

BMW's approach was excellent in some categories, less so in some other.
The BMW 801 engine itself was of small diameter for such a big & heavy piece - less than 51in diameter. Hercules went one inch bigger, the R-2600 was 55 in. The fan, that indeed enabled the tighter cowling (=good for drag reduction) ,consumed engine power - talk 40-50 HP at 18700 ft (about 3%) for the BMW 801D depending on engine RPM. At lower altitudes, it was 60-70 HP.
Armored oil cooler was also both good ( defensive bomber fire or a head on attack will not easily puncture it), and bad (weight of armor was 77-78 kg , later it went to 106 kg).
An oil cooler located in the wing (like at F4U or the Hawker Fury) will also be as streamlined as it gets.

People at NACA were also experimenting with fan-cooled radials on their XP-42 during the winter of 1941-42.
 
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hammo1j

Donor
Thank you.

Would it have been possible to fit a thermostatically controlled electric fan to minimise power loss?

Or I remember my Dad fitting something to his car in the 1970's that was some kind of viscous coupling fan dependent on the temprature.
 
What about installing a cooling fan(s) down wind of the engine core?
Ducting their hot air out side vents … surrounding side exhaust pipes.
This might require a longer cowling.
You could also install oil coolers inside these ducts to hide them from bullets (ala. Sturmovik).
 
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