What If The French Regained Canada In The 1783 Treaty Of Paris

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Dylanperr

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Today is July 1st which is Canada Day and then on July 4th will be Independence Day in the United States. The Battle Of The Plains of Abraham shaped the history of both the United States and Canada a lot because it lead to Britain having larger influence in North America rather than France. In this alternate timeline France regains Canada in the 1783 Treaty Of Paris and French Canada dominates North America alongside the United States. Happy Canada Day and Happy July 4th.
 
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Dylanperr

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I think it would be totally possible in this alternate timeline for the French to retake Canada because one of the reasons France joined the American revolution and helped the colonists was because they wanted to get revenge against Britain because of the British victory in the Seven Years War.
 

general

Yes, and in the next Anglo-French war, the RN enables the English colonists to conquer Quebec from the tyrannical, Papist Bourbons.
 

Galba Otho Vitelius

I'm going to pour water on this. The European powers all viewed American colonies as places to extract resources for cash, and the British, French, and Dutch all consistently prioritized the sugar plantations/ concentration camps in the Caribbean over anything on the North American mainland. And this happened at every turn in history. The American bid for independence likely would have failed if this wasn't the case. In our view, France gained nothing from the American War of Independence. Actually, they picked up a couple of sugar islands and a slave port in Africa to go with it. If they had done better in the war, they would have taken Jamaica instead of Canada. It wouldn't have even been a close call.

If you want to keep Canada French, they have to either win the 1756-63 war or the British have to opt to let the French keep Canada so they could take another sugar island (Guadalupe) instead, which nearly did happen.
 

Corjomc

Since it's not a priority it could be traded back post American Revolution with both sides shrugging. Maybe Canada is a part of a bigger deal between the European powers and ends up French again.

If the French Revolution is not butterflied away does it become an analogue to Brazil with the Bourbons fleeing their while the Revolution and then Napoleon reign?

Does America seize the land to stop the sppread of the violent French Revolution.

Depending on how the revolution effects Canada it could worsen the Pro-England, Pro-French divide in early American politics.

Maybe the U.S. supports a counter revolution and props up Lafeyette as the first leader in Free Quebec?
 

thekingsguard

For starters, America gets Ontario in the Treaty of Paris, since in OTL, the French argued to have it remain British so there would be a sticking point in US-British relations, while the Americans wanted it and the Brits were willing to cede it. France has little use for a peninsula mostly inhabited by Englishmen, so the US likely gets it.

The better question is what happens when the French Revolution comes? Or with Louisiana? This could go any number of ways really.
 
The 1783 Treaty Of Paris Territorial Changes
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    The 1783 Treaty Of Paris (Territorial Changes)​
    USA - Gains lands east of the Mississippi River and south of the Great Lakes and Saint Lawrence river valley from the British Empire.

    French Empire - Gains the British colonies of Quebec, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and Rupert's Land from the British Empire as well as Tobago and Senegal.

    Spanish Empire - Gains East and West Florida along with Menorca from the British Empire.

    Dutch Republic - Secedes Negapatman to the British Empire.
     
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    • Ivan Lupo

    Could France ask instead for Quebec at least to also become independent, or at least placed on a path towards independence or autonomy, while also plucking their desired sugar islands?
     
    Dylanperr

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    Ivan Lupo said:
    Could France ask instead for Quebec at least to also become independent, or at least placed on a path towards independence or autonomy, while also plucking their desired sugar islands?
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    I think Quebec would have to be apart of France first than France gives Quebec independence.
     
    Dylanperr

    Dylanperr

    Since the United States of America barely had the money for the Louisiana purchase the French would of kept Canada in this alternate timeline.
     
    French Revolution
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    French Revolution​
    The year is 1789 the French revolution is starting in France and in this timeline it would be a little different because some of the French that were starving would of immigrated to French Canada because of the bread shortages and to flee desperate poverty in France so bread riots wouldn't of been as widespread as they were in our timeline.

    Other events such as the overthrow of the monarchy and the nobility would of still happened in this alternate timeline for the same cultural, social, financial, political, and economic reasons that it did in our timeline.

    French Canada would change a lot culturally and would secularize a lot earlier than it did in our timeline and around the same time that France did in the French Revolution because French Canada is a French colony under a revolutionary France rather than Britain that passed the Quebec act that basically allowed the French Canadians in Canada to keep their own culture.
     
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    Dylanperr

    Corjomc said:
    Since it's not a priority it could be traded back post American Revolution with both sides shrugging. Maybe Canada is a part of a bigger deal between the European powers and ends up French again.

    If the French Revolution is not butterflied away does it become an analogue to Brazil with the Bourbons fleeing their while the Revolution and then Napoleon reign?

    Does America seize the land to stop the sppread of the violent French Revolution.

    Depending on how the revolution effects Canada it could worsen the Pro-England, Pro-French divide in early American politics.

    Maybe the U.S. supports a counter revolution and props up Lafeyette as the first leader in Free Quebec?
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    I would say no the Bourbons wouldn't go to Canada because they were captured when they tried to leave Paris for Varennes and the second question President George Washington wanted to be neutral and he issued the Proclamation of Neutrality.
     
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    French Immigrants To French Canada​
    In the 1790s A lot of French people were facing food shortages and bad harvest paired with desperate poverty and bloodshed during the French Revolution in France and those French people mostly decided to head to the surrounding countries and would then be boarding ships for French Canada. These French immigrants would start to arrive in large numbers to French Canada and would mostly head to the reacquired French colonies of Acadia and Quebec which are near the Saint Lawrence River.

    French immigrants would start to arrive in French Canada somewhere around the 1790s when they were facing food shortages and poverty in France. When they would begin to settle in French Canada they would mostly be building their own farms because of the bad harvest and food shortages that were found in France. When French immigrants would began to arrive in French Canada they will soon be joined by the French Canadians which already settled in French Canada way before the French Revolution and since the age of exploration. The French immigrants and the French Canadians would get along very good due to their shared commonalities such as a shared French heritage and French language as well as other things such as their occupations as farmers.
     
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    Napoleon Bonaparte​
    Once upon a time after the French Revolution there was a Frenchman from a Mediterranean island just south of France called Corsica and he quickly rose through the ranks of the French military during the French revolution. One thing happened in 1799 he was going to stage a Coup d'Etat known as the Coup of 18 Brumaire that would gave him political power and he would eventually go to crown himself emperor of France in the year of 1804 and his name was Napoleon Bonaparte.

    Then when Napoleon Bonaparte rose to power and became the emperor of France he would then create his own government and build up the French military and along with that he would then go to invade foreign countries such as Belgium, Holland, Austria, Poland, Spain, Portugal, and much of what is now Italy and Germany and Napoleon Bonaparte also led a failed invasion on Russia to. Napoleon also built up his armies by conscripting soldiers from the countries he invaded.

    With French Canada Napoleon Bonaparte could of conscripted more soldiers to fight in both Europe and North America because of the large population of French people that left France during the revolution to flee poverty and violence as well as some of the French Canadians that originally settled their as well. Napoleon Bonaparte would go to create independent French North American army divisions to retake Saint Domingue and to defend against the loyalist British that settled in what is now mostly Southern Ontario with very little intervention from metropolitan France that Napoleon Bonaparte can focus all of his European armies in Europe.
     
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