French/Dutch-German intermarriage?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Shtudmuffin, Jan 13, 2013.

  1. Shtudmuffin Absentee Regular

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    Is there any chance that a King of France or a Stadtholder of the Dutch Republic hold territory in the Holy Roman Empire by means of a personal union? If so, why wasn't it done IOTL? And didn't Poland-Lithuania pull it off at some point?

    (NOTE: In these cases of intermarriage the ruling monarch is from his native country's ruling house as opposed to a ruling house of the HRE)
     
  2. Elfwine Byzantophilic Brony

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    Personal unions are easier to form in AH, where you can dispose of inconvenient brothers and male relatives in the way with a snap of the fingers, than IRL, where that's difficult.

    Otherwise, yes, there''s probably a chance.
     
  3. pompejus Hertog van Gelre

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    You mean like the Dutch stadholders were counts of Nassau, or used to be counts of Lingen an dukes(?) of Moers? Yeah, that could happen and did happen.
     
  4. Parma Well-Known Member

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    The stadholder branch of Nassau had, besides a line who hold the county Nassau, the county of Lingen unitl 1702. Further they were related with the furts of Brandenburg
     
  5. kato Well-Known Member

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    There was considerable territory in Alsatia and Lotharingia that was formally part of the HRE, but held by the French Kingdom. Mostly won in the Peace of Westfalia.
     
  6. pompejus Hertog van Gelre

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    There is something I forgot to mention. When speaking about Dutch stadholders and personal unions you should never forget that a stadholder is not a king. The Dutch stadholder often was one of the most influential people in the Netherlands (although often he wasn't), he did not rule the country. Actualy the early stadholders, including William III of England, weren't even stadholder of all Dutch provinces. Friesland and Groningen had, at first, a different stadholder than the other 5 provinces. Also the office of stadholder wasn't heriditary, at least until 1747. When William III died without children the ruler of Prussia was his closest male relative and inherited Lingen and Moers. He did not become (or could ever become) the Dutch stadholder. William III wanted the Frisian stadholder to become his successor. He did not. The province of Holland decided they didn't need a stadholder, so they and 3 other provinces didnt have a stadholder for 45 years.

    So, creating a personal union with the Republic of the Netherlands is hard. Even the ANglo-Dutch personal union never was a true personal union.