For All Mankind (AH Tv series at Apple TV)

Tuskin38

Unless George is out of the way or someone convinces him to do it, you wouldn't see any adaptation of Legends into live action.
He never saw Legends as part of his canon. There were bits and pieces he's picked out, or allowed to be used in Clone Wars, but that's about it.

The continuity reboot we got with Disney was originally planned for George's sequels, it was going to happen even if George hadn't sold LucasFilm.
 
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Gillan1220

Gillan1220

Tuskin38 said:
According to a quick google search, the Season 2 extras mention Star Wars. Apparently Episode 6 ends with Luke joining the Emperor.

One of the Stevens brothers also complained about the Ewoks, but the reddit user didn't say where.
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Dang, so Luke joins the Emperor. That means the Star Wars franchise is definitely unrecognizable from OTL's perspective. Well, technically there are alternate universe works where Luke joined the Emperor after the Battle of Yavin and also in the Yuzhaan Vong arc.
 

Spiegel1

Gillan1220 said:
Dang, so Luke joins the Emperor. That means the Star Wars franchise is definitely unrecognizable from OTL's perspective. Well, technically there are alternate universe works where Luke joined the Emperor after the Battle of Yavin and also in the Yuzhaan Vong arc.
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i would say the Rebels had a death star while the Empire had to destroy it reverse flip the Empire been heroes while the Rebels are villains.
 

Polish Eagle

Luke joining the Empire implies that a few other ideas--like Luke's sister being introduced in sequel movies and Leia not being his sister--happen.

Legends as we know it is totally butterflied, naturally--you can't even have the Noghri pledging themselves to Lady Vader if Leia isn't Lady Vader.

As of OTL 1983, "Legends" consisted of the Marvel comics run, the original Han Solo and Lando tie-in novels, and the Holiday Special. So the Dark Lady Lumiya exists and might crop up later if Lucas takes a shine to her (as he did to some Legends characters IOTL), but otherwise there's not much to overwrite, and the tie-in stories will have the same limits that they've had since Disney took over of late--you can't do anything profound with the story unless it's coordinated with the films, and it's a bit too early for a "multimedia project" like Shadows of the Empire or the CW MMP, much less the 1990s stuff that eventually tied into KOTOR.

Of course, if Episode VI ends with Luke joining the Emperor, that implies that there's gotta be another film or two to finish the "Luke Saga." Which means Star Wars isn't a trilogy--it's a 4- or 5-part series, and there's no future expectation that movies will come in groups of three.
 
SouthernWind

SouthernWind

Polish Eagle said:
Luke joining the Empire implies that a few other ideas--like Luke's sister being introduced in sequel movies and Leia not being his sister--happen.

Legends as we know it is totally butterflied, naturally--you can't even have the Noghri pledging themselves to Lady Vader if Leia isn't Lady Vader.

As of OTL 1983, "Legends" consisted of the Marvel comics run, the original Han Solo and Lando tie-in novels, and the Holiday Special. So the Dark Lady Lumiya exists and might crop up later if Lucas takes a shine to her (as he did to some Legends characters IOTL), but otherwise there's not much to overwrite, and the tie-in stories will have the same limits that they've had since Disney took over of late--you can't do anything profound with the story unless it's coordinated with the films, and it's a bit too early for a "multimedia project" like Shadows of the Empire or the CW MMP, much less the 1990s stuff that eventually tied into KOTOR.

Of course, if Episode VI ends with Luke joining the Emperor, that implies that there's gotta be another film or two to finish the "Luke Saga." Which means Star Wars isn't a trilogy--it's a 4- or 5-part series, and there's no future expectation that movies will come in groups of three.
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Unless 'the Emperor' is Vader, and that means he got his wish to 'reform the Empire from within' with his son as apprentice.
 

Polish Eagle

SouthernWind said:
Unless 'the Emperor' is Vader, and that means he got his wish to 'reform the Empire from within' with his son as apprentice.
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Even so, that would be taken as a dark ending--Luke turning to the Dark Side, the authoritarian government winning over the rebels. If Vader were redeemed and became Good King Anakin, people would probably not phrase it as "Luke joining the Emperor." So we still need another episode or two for Luke's friends to snap him out of it, the Empire to be defeated, and all that--unless George Lucas goes full edgelord after his bad divorce (as that was blamed for the darker elements of Temple of Doom) and decides, "screw your happy ending, Luke loses all his friends in his damn-fool idealistic crusade and goes dark! Just like me!" Which doesn't seem likely (the studios would probably leash him if they thought a downer ending like that would tank the film, right?), and even Temple of Doom ended up a hopeful note.
 
SouthernWind

SouthernWind

Polish Eagle said:
Even so, that would be taken as a dark ending--Luke turning to the Dark Side, the authoritarian government winning over the rebels. If Vader were redeemed and became Good King Anakin, people would probably not phrase it as "Luke joining the Emperor." So we still need another episode or two for Luke's friends to snap him out of it, the Empire to be defeated, and all that--unless George Lucas goes full edgelord after his bad divorce (as that was blamed for the darker elements of Temple of Doom) and decides, "screw your happy ending, Luke loses all his friends in his damn-fool idealistic crusade and goes dark! Just like me!" Which doesn't seem likely (the studios would probably leash him if they thought a downer ending like that would tank the film, right?), and even Temple of Doom ended up a hopeful note.
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Is it bad I wish Lucas got out after the prequels so Legends got mainstreamed?
 

Polish Eagle

SouthernWind said:
Is it bad I wish Lucas got out after the prequels so Legends got mainstreamed?
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Matter of taste. I personally prefer the pre-TCW Legends continuity to what came after Lucas and Filoni got into it, but it's not really good or bad.

Though if you want to be cynical, Legends did get mainstreamed. Just not the parts anyone was asking for. We got big-screen adaptations/rip-offs of Dark Empire and the Darth Caedus arc, which even Legends fans were mixed about (at best). And for good measure, Disney's inflated the Mandalorians in importance far beyond even Karen Traviss on a bad day. /rant

But ITTL, of course, none of that exists. The phantom "fourth original Star Wars movie" is going to make the post-Endor galaxy unrecognizable, and we won't have Zahn or anyone like him--and since a Luke going dark arc happened on the big screen, Dark Empire won't happen either. Heck, if Leia's not going to be Luke's sister (that was kind of done last-minute IOTL because Lucas had the dangling plot thread of the other Skywalker, wanted to make Luke's sister a subject for future films, but lost interest, so he just made Leia it to tie off that thread and end the love triangle too), then Harrison Ford probably gets his wish to have Han die heroically and we end up with Luke and Leia paired off.

Actually, on a franchise history and cinema history level, I wonder what effects this might have more broadly. Lucas keeps making Star Wars movies in the 1980s--probably means less involvement in Indiana Jones? Which might mean no Young Indiana Jones chronicles down the line--and that was one of the things that made him more open to a prequel series. So probably no Prequel Trilogy at all ITTL.

(EDIT: IOTL, Star Wars was retitled "Episode IV: A New Hope" in 1981, so the plan for the prequels was already there, as was the trilogy format; this implies that Episode VI is followed by a sequel trilogy of VII-IX, featuring Luke's sister and presumably a plot around bringing Luke back from the dark, and a long-term plan to make prequels, assuming that 15 years worth of butterflies don't change that retitling)
 
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wwbgdiaslt

But could that also mean Spielberg gets to do a Bond movie? He begged to do one but the Broccoli's turned him down and that's when Lucas ends up introducing him to the Indiana Jones idea?
 

Tuskin38

Also remember, Yoda's line for 'No, there is another' in ESB was not originally intended to refer to Leia, Leia being Luke's sister wasn't decided on until Lucas started working on ROTJ.
 
The Jovian

The Jovian

SouthernWind said:
Hey, I wonder if there is a version of 'Battlestar Galactica' in the FAM universe?
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Most likely Glenn A. Larson's original series still exists and maybe did a little better than OTL (i.e. a second season at least) but not enough to escape cult status. As for Ron Moore's reboot, as I said before on the show's subreddit, it would be hilarious if due to 9/11 being butterflied away in the FAMTL, the changing cultural climate that made the darker and grittier BSG never happened and instead we got Richard Hatch's proposed sequel series The Second Coming that maintains the original's pulpy space opera tone albeit modernized for the late 90s/early 2000s.
 

sparky42

Michel Van said:
YEEEESSSSSSSSSS
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780627473086189631
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Not just a renewal, but a spin off as well, Star City:
Described as a “propulsive paranoid thriller,” Star Citywill take viewers back to a key moment in For All Mankind‘s retelling of the space race: when the Soviet Union became the first nation to put a man on the moon. “But this time,” the logline reads, “we explore the story from behind the Iron Curtain, showing the lives of the cosmonauts, the engineers and the intelligence officers embedded among them in the Soviet space program, and the risks they all took to propel humanity forward.
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For All Mankind Renewed for Season 5 — Plus, Star City Spinoff Ordered at Apple

'For All Mankind' has been renewed for Season 5 at Apple, and a spinoff has been ordered — get details!
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