Flag Thread III

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MissWhatsittoya said:
Looks good, I like it.......


and yes, I did make the Italian penisula TTL's Korea. only thing that would work. :p
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IOTL The North Korean flag used the colours from the flag of the Korean Empire, changing the colours around to suit a socialist scheme.

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Going by that pattern, this flag is based on Italian tricolour but changed to look socialist.

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The Conqueror Wormhole

I have a request for a red white and black horizontal tricolour. In the middle of the white band there should be something identical to the Nazi Germany coat of arms but instead of the oak wreath there should be an ouroboros and instead of the swastika there should be an "M" (in an old-timey font). Thank you!
 

Brdman

Faces were there until the early 60's

Just a neat factoid, those faces on the Sun and Moon were removed and the sun and moon redesigned circa December 1962!:)
 

Poor Little Rhode Island

This is just a general note about Flag Requests and theoretical discussion of their designs.

As most of the flag requests are for different TL's, might not different rules apply to these flags and the rationales behind their designs? If there is a "communist analog" in an ATL, then perhaps that analog doesn't have an issue with religious symbols on their states' flags, even though IOTL, communists pretty much do remove religious symbols.

Also, heraldry and its dictates may not be EXACTLY the same in an ATL. So, if someone wants to do crazy things, it really is OK as long as it makes sense within that TL.

What really would be interesting and VERY deep (and the source of discussion) is if the creator of an ATL could theorize vexillological rules for their ATL's!

This note is in response to the recent unpleasantness on this thread as well as my own experience. I have a TON of alternate US state flag designs that I would like to have created (I do not have the facility or time to do so) and I have been told many times that my designs do not fit with American vexillological rules.

Well, frankly: "DUH!" If I wanted to stay within those American rules, I would accept the dangerously high levels of BORING that OTL's US state flags afford. I chose not to, because in my ATL, people design better-looking flags!

Responses are welcome and encouraged. Thank you.

I love this thread and the creativity shown by you all.
 
Marc Pasquin

Marc Pasquin

Poor Little Rhode Island said:
This is just a general note about Flag Requests and theoretical discussion of their designs.

As most of the flag requests are for different TL's, might not different rules apply to these flags and the rationales behind their designs? If there is a "communist analog" in an ATL, then perhaps that analog doesn't have an issue with religious symbols on their states' flags, even though IOTL, communists pretty much do remove religious symbols.
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If the communists have no problem with overt religious symbolism in their national flag, they are problably not communist by any definition used in OTL for anything but some completely fringe group . Have a POD that take away "religion is the opium of the people" and there's very little point in calling them communists.

Poor Little Rhode Island said:
Also, heraldry and its dictates may not be EXACTLY the same in an ATL. So, if someone wants to do crazy things, it really is OK as long as it makes sense within that TL.
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The basic rules of vexillology are not realy cultural but based on historical need and basicaly, logic: a black eagle on dark blue might look flash but if no one can recognise the thing from a distance, it fail in its identification purpose. Same for something so chuck full of symbols that you need a reference sheet just to get the general disposition.

Also, certain natural colours were easier to come by so they are far more common while other (like purple) were so expensive that having it use on a mass produced, pre-synthetic dyes flag is completely implausible.

Poor Little Rhode Island said:
What really would be interesting and VERY deep (and the source of discussion) is if the creator of an ATL could theorize vexillological rules for their ATL's!
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They could but I get the feeling some people will take the easy way out of "it's not impossible !" to justify pretty much anything.

Poor Little Rhode Island said:
I have a TON of alternate US state flag designs that I would like to have created (I do not have the facility or time to do so) and I have been told many times that my designs do not fit with American vexillological rules.

Well, frankly: "DUH!" If I wanted to stay within those American rules, I would accept the dangerously high levels of BORING that OTL's US state flags afford. I chose not to, because in my ATL, people design better-looking flags!
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That's obviously up to you but to me a good AH flag is one which is not only good looking (relatively speaking) but first and foremost that make sense within an historical/political/geopolitical context. Too often you have flags made that just look too modern for the period or in the case of subnational flags, don't fit with the rest.
 

Poor Little Rhode Island

First of all, I respect your opinions and am glad that you responded.

I also agree that having modern-looking flags for earlier time periods is as bad as any anachorism is.

I also agree that there are certain rules that apply no matter what ATL you create (Black on dark blue is a very evil thing to do! As is using different shades of the same color without good reason.)

Those things being said, there is every reason for some rules to be bent or broken for an ATL. I recently saw a three-pointed star on a flag someone created. BEAUTIFUL!!!! I'd never seen a three-pointed star before!

Your comments about communists removing religious symbols, however, missed the point. If one has an ATL in which there is a "communism analog", that analog can be as close to or as different from OTL communists as the creator of that TL wants. So, an ATL "communist" who shrugs off a cross on his Peoples Republic's flag is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as the "communist analog" is internally consistent.
 
Marc Pasquin

Marc Pasquin

Poor Little Rhode Island said:
Those things being said, there is every reason for some rules to be bent or broken for an ATL. I recently saw a three-pointed star on a flag someone created. BEAUTIFUL!!!! I'd never seen a three-pointed star before!
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That was used by the international brigades during the spanish civil war in OTL. It was meant to tone done their communist aspect so as you can see, it actualy take place within a well define context and not just a case of "lets be different"
 
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