Eyes Turned Skywards

So the NASA Mars exploration appears to have slowed a good deal after Viking, through a combination of lack of interest and funding being sent elsewhere. Revived by way of Vulkan. Even so, still a lot of new information coming from that Planet.

The bit I like the most is the accidental demonstration of the Aerobraking Manoeuvre by Pioneer Mars. This is certainly going to be of great use to them in later years - as you've already demonstrated here - and has a better chance of featuring in Manned Mars Mission Planning. Let's not forget that when Robert Zubrin and David Baker planned their Mars Direct Mission, Aerobraking was, essentially, an unproven concept IOTL.

An eight year life from the Rover that managed to get moving - damn you Locking Pins :p - is certainly impressive given the conditions there. Especially when near enough 5.5 years were spent moving around.

I note that only Atlas-Centaur and Delta-4000 Centaur(*) were used for these missions. I'll wager that mass and cost reason were why these were used instead of Saturn Multibody - I'll also wager that the top version of Delta-4000 is still slightly less pricey than the Base Version of Saturn Multibody.


(*) - I'm only throwing a wild guess that a Centaur Upper Stage would have been used here. I know that I could easily be wrong.


And you're slightly early with this update! :eek::eek:
 
Atlas-Centaur and Delta 4000 are much cheaper as Saturn Mulitbody

on Viking
in OTL JLP and Langley were in power struggle "who runs the planetary program?"
Viking was Langley brainchild, while JPL "mars Voyager probe launch by Saturn V" got cancels.

JPL won the struggle and Langley Viking 3/4 or Viking rover or Viking Phobos lander or Mars sample return, never realized-
only the winner to encounter Ronald Reagan, who swing the Budget axe on most JLP missions and proposals...
 
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The bit I like the most is the accidental demonstration of the Aerobraking Manoeuvre by Pioneer Mars. This is certainly going to be of great use to them in later years - as you've already demonstrated here - and has a better chance of featuring in Manned Mars Mission Planning. Let's not forget that when Robert Zubrin and David Baker planned their Mars Direct Mission, Aerobraking was, essentially, an unproven concept IOTL.
Well, there's sort of different levels aerobraking, differing based on how steeply you enter the atmosphere, the resulting dynamic pressure, deceleration, and peak heating (and implied TPS needs). One is the kind we do at Earth for re-entry, or that suggested in aerocapture--diving deeper into the atmosphere, down into the thick lower atmosphere. The benefit is increased drag and deceleration (useful for scrubbing off interplanetary velocities to inject into an orbit, or to scrub orbital velocities to land), but which generates enough heat that a dedicated TPS is required, and structures must be designed with aerodynamics key in mind. Aeroshells for this purpose have been in use in planetary missions as far back as Viking, and to the best of my knowledge Zubrin's proposals have more to do with this type--just that instead of slowing all the way down to landing speeds, you might shape a trajectory that leaves you in a low orbit around Mars.

The other type, the one MRP uses ITTL (along with many OTL spacecraft too numerous to mention since they're at this handy link) isn't entirely aerodynamics--an initial orbit insertion burn is conducted that results in a very elliptical orbit, which is then slowly circularized through many passes through the upper, thinner regions of the target's atmosphere. The benefit is that you don't need a dedicated TPS--in fact, in some case it may require little in the way of structural reinforcement at all--but you pay for it in taking weeks or months to circularize, and having to spend propulsive delta-v on the initial burn. So...I guess my point is that there's more than one way to use atmosphere to save delta-v, that MRP doesn't use quite the type I suspect you're thinking of, but actually that the type I think you're thinking of is a bit more technically proven in the '90s--both OTL and ITTL.

An eight year life from the Rover that managed to get moving - damn you Locking Pins :p - is certainly impressive given the conditions there. Especially when near enough 5.5 years were spent moving around.
Indeed, an eight-year life is pretty impressive. Note that the final stationary period for Independence is heavily based on the MERs--with solar power concerns removed, we decided the likely main mission constraint would be how long the wheel motors lasted. Similarly, unlike Spirit, the RTGs means there's no worry about being stuck in a position that prevents power generation--hence the ability to operate both rovers as stationary science platforms when they're no longer mobile.

I note that only Atlas-Centaur and Delta-4000 Centaur(*) were used for these missions. I'll wager that mass and cost reason were why these were used instead of Saturn Multibody - I'll also wager that the top version of Delta-4000 is still slightly less pricey than the Base Version of Saturn Multibody.
Quite. Our estimate for a basic M02 is about $150-175 million in 2010 dollars, while Delta 4000's top variant would cost about half that. Roughly the same per-kg, but since these missions are being sized to fit a fixed budget, the expense of developing a larger probe and sticking it on the bigger booster can't be justified.

(*) - I'm only throwing a wild guess that a Centaur Upper Stage would have been used here. I know that I could easily be wrong.
Yeah, Centaur's being used as an upper stage here.

And you're slightly early with this update! :eek::eek:
Just trying to make up somwhat for the last few weeks. :eek:
 
Well, there's sort of different levels aerobraking, differing based on how steeply you enter the atmosphere, the resulting dynamic pressure, deceleration, and peak heating (and implied TPS needs). One is the kind we do at Earth for re-entry, or that suggested in aerocapture--diving deeper into the atmosphere, down into the thick lower atmosphere. The benefit is increased drag and deceleration (useful for scrubbing off interplanetary velocities to inject into an orbit, or to scrub orbital velocities to land), but which generates enough heat that a dedicated TPS is required, and structures must be designed with aerodynamics key in mind. Aeroshells for this purpose have been in use in planetary missions as far back as Viking, and to the best of my knowledge Zubrin's proposals have more to do with this type--just that instead of slowing all the way down to landing speeds, you might shape a trajectory that leaves you in a low orbit around Mars.

The trajectory might be planned for a Low Orbit in Mars Direct, but the primary abort option in that phase of the mission plan is "Abort to surface," so Mars Direct is, for all practical purposes, designed for direct landing. The closest thing to that sort of heat shield even in development for that sort of mission architecture is the inflatable heat shield technology launched periodically out of Wallops.

Good update. About how far did Independence drive here? And how big are the rovers, to the nearest hundred kilos? MER size? Viking-on-wheels? Something in between (300 kilos or so)? And what sort of geology did they focus on?
 
And how big are the rovers, to the nearest hundred kilos? MER size?

This is completely talking out my ass, but based on the time period and the launch vehicle, I'm guessing that they'd be Spirit or Opportunity sized at the most. I'm not sure whether NASA would have the capability to deliver something like Curiosity (much less two of them) at this point.
 
Mars Traverse Rovers would look something like this
1979rover21.jpg


with mass around 1127 pound or 511 kg


source
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/03/a-1979-mars-rover-mission-1970/#more-100272
 
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Not quite, Michel. The MTRs don't use that plan. They're smaller, more MERS-sized, maybe a tad larger. Both rovers are contained in the same aeroshell and launched on the same LV. Something of a cross-breed of that mission, and this one.

ouch, i had that link first, "but oh not 6 wheels" so i took the other link.

for moment i have to rewrite my Mars probe section of my Reagan's Space Exploration initiative TL
because it look like copy of part 2 - post 8 and part post 9 on Eyes turn Skywards :rolleyes:
 
Part II: Post 10: Global Orbital Operations 1980-1983
All right, well, it's that time again, and we're halting in our sojourn through the solar system to look a bit more into the operational side of things, as there's been a fair bit happening between the lines of other posts. So, this week, it's getting a roundup: Delta 4000, Spacelab ops, Salyut 7, and a bit more!

P.S. As a production update, this post marks roughly 1/3 of the way through Part II, and the status of the buffer compared to our production rate is such that it's looking like we'll be able to follow through without any gaps until the end of the planned Part II content. The timeline as it stands (including post already on here) total a bit over 45,000 words (not counting the Brainbin's cultural interlude), and we've got maybe another 14,000 left to go. 890 replies, 107566 views

Eyes Turned Skyward, Part II: Post #10:

Though ELVRP I had ended up overshadowed by the focus on the ELVRP II program that would supplement it for large payload, the Delta 4000 rocket contracted under the former was in many ways more critical to the Department of Defense and NASA. The payload range it served--between 6 and 12 tons--was quite common on both organizations' manifests, thanks to the Titan family which had previously filled that role. Thus, it was a major milestone for the DoD when the first Delta 4000 took flight in April of 1980 after almost a year of schedule slips and launch delays, not to mention cost overruns and all the myriad failures that can be expected with a new acquisition contract and a new vehicle. As the Centaur upper stage burned out, dumping the demonstration payload (a mass simulator) into a highly elliptical orbit similar to transfer orbits used on geostationary launches, putting an end to a completely nominal mission, many within the DoD and NASA breathed a sigh of relief, even as the focus shifted to operational tempo and the preparations for the backlog of payload Delta had begun to build up in the interim, thanks to both payloads had been either designed with Delta 4000 specifically in mind or that had been held from Titan launches in hopes of a reduced launch cost aboard Delta 4000.

As some of this focus was spent in a round of minor procedural improvements and pad infrastructure modifications intended to smooth bumps encountered during the first flight’s launch delays, the first operational launch would have to wait until July. The payload was a NASA orbital communications satellite, TDRSS-A, part of a new constellation of communications satellites located at geostationary, and intended to allow easy contact among crews in orbit, either in free-flying Apollo capsules or aboard Spacelab or future stations, and the control centers on the ground. The Tracking and Data Relay System allowed the closing of many of the Apollo-era world-spanning communications ground stations, while also offering an increase in the bandwidth available for both up and downlink of data and telemetry. Beyond the effects of this on the station’s experiments and operations, it was also used for both crew entertainment (in the form of uploading recordings of sports events and other media) and for NASA press events and outreach. The kind of live ground-to-orbit television interviews that had been considered technically challenging to arrange for the Skylab 5 bicentennial commemoration was now much less so, and NASA’s press office put the capability to use, with it becoming common for one or two days a month to feature astronauts being made available for interviews with national or hometown press.

Of course, NASA’s payloads were never intended to be the bread-and-butter of Delta 4000, a fact that the remainder of 1980 would demonstrate. Before the end of the year, four more Delta 4000s launches would be carried out, two from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida, and two from Vandenberg Air Force Base. All were Department of Defense classified payloads, including KH-8 and KH-9 reconnaissance satellites, a Chalet-series signals intelligence satellite, and SDS, a near-real-time relay satellite intended as support for low-altitude photographic intelligence satellites. In its first year of operations, Delta 4000 had begun to prove that it could handles the tasks it was designed for, but its operational tempo remained to be proven in 1981.

Delta 4000 wasn’t the only vehicle earning its keep in 1980, however. Saturn 1C was continuing its support for Spacelab operations, remarkable mostly in their routine. Since the launch of the station in 1978, there had been on average five flights per year between crew rotation, Aardvark resupply vehicles and the launch of the Airlock Module and European Research Module on their AARDV buses, with vehicle production ongoing in annual 5-unit blocks. This record of solid, if unheralded, service continued in 1980 first with the rotation flight of Spacelab 8 in January, then with Spacelab 9, the first flight of the Block III+ Apollo. The three-person test crew launched from Kennedy Space Center in May, led by veteran Spacelab astronaut Robert Crippen, with Donald Hunt as pilot and the first UK astronaut, Nigel Wood, filling the third seat. After their successful flight to orbit, the flight crew detached the Apollo Command and Service Module from the booster, then transposed and docked with the Mission Module that had been safely contained within the booster payload adapter. After an hour or so of checking hoses and ducts, the crew in orbit confirmed with the ground personnel that the capsule checked out, and they proceeded to dock with Spacelab two days later. The skill of Crippen and Hunt proved the worries over the camera-and-radar-based docking controls unnecessary with a flawless rendezvous and docking, and the crew’s remaining mission was mostly defined by the day-to-day mundanity of station operations, broken only by the August arrival of an Aardvark resupply vehicle, and the associated cargo transfers and orbit-raising operations.

The Spacelab 10 mission in September would be the first 5-person crew, but was notable on several fronts. First was the flight of the first of the Class of ‘77 rookies, Don Hunt, as command module pilot. The second was a minor incident relating to the diet of the ESA astronaut along for the stay on-orbit, Frenchman Jean-Loup Chrètien. Chrètien had insisted on French-provided menu items to be included in the mission’s food stocks, and had sampled them aboard the Apollo during the transit to station. To the rest of the crew’s displeasure, the garlic proved more than the capsule’s air filters could handle, and lingered throughout the remaining day of the transit to the station. Once there, the smell continued to fade and even began to seep into the station’s air system before the crew was able to resolve the problem by completely flushing the capsule. However, due to complaints by (4/5ths of) the crew, not to mention the cost that would potentially be involved if an entire station-load of garlic-saturated air had to be dumped and replaced from the reserve supplies, Chrètien was restricted by American ground control and his fellow crewmates from consuming certain other garlic-laden menu items he had been sent up with. Third was their participation in setting two spaceflight records--first, their 5-person crew set a record for most persons launched in one flight, and on-station they would help set, then surpass the record for number of crew occupying a station, first with the 8 members of the combined Spacelab 9 and 10 crews during the first overlap period, then the 10 total members of the combination 10 and 11 crews in the last week of Spacelab 10’s time on-station.

Future 5-person Block III+ flight would fall into a rhythm of 3-per-year launches, nominal station rotations, and recoveries, beset with only minor issues at worst--the most serious being a thruster failure and minor leak in the Spacelab 13 capsule during the last week on-station, which showed signs of potentially cutting short the expedition although the ability of the crew was never seriously endangered. In the end, the faulty thruster was cut out of the loop, a work-around sufficient to last through the handover period into Spacelab 14 and through the return to Earth. With their Apollo-era cadre of veterans continuing to retire, and the glut of rookies created by the class of ‘77 beginning to abate, NASA thus also began to once again recruit regular class of astronauts, indicating that they would begin recruitment with a goal to induct a new class of 15 astronauts every other year to meet the increased slots available on Spacelab, split roughly evenly between pilot candidates and flight scientist candidates. Percentages of women and minority applicants began to increase in each class, particularly the former following the Spacelab 15 flight of Peggy Barnes as Flight Scientist on Spacelab 11 in January 1981--the first non-Russian woman to fly in space, and the first to perform a spacewalk as part of tending the exposed experiments on the OWS and ERM. For ESA, whose initial class of just 7 astronauts were all due to fly by the end of 1981, the need was even greater, and they thus also began recruiting with a target induction of 6 astronauts in similarly biennial classes, with the first beginning training in 1980. Unlike NASA, ESA did not distinguish between astronauts intended as pilots and those intended for mission specialist roles, but they also made no secret of the fact that pilot experience was a factor considered by their selection rubric, and roughly ⅓ of each class was made of capable pilots--a lingering remnant of the Seat Wars, and one indicative of the desire to see European astronauts flying their own spacecraft which would eventually drive the Minotaur program.

1981 was more of the same for NASA, with the major milestones for human spaceflight being the historic mission of Peggy Barnes, and the beginning of an eight-month-long double-rotation flight for Dr. Story Musgrave, the first in series of very-long-duration flights intended to test human physiological reactions that might occur on future explorations beyond Earth orbit, either for Mars missions or lunar bases. Dr. Musgrave would launch in September, and stay through May 1982. Unmanned missions were also fairly routine--Delta 4000 racked up successful flights for all 7 manifested payloads, in spite of minor slips. The Voyager probes once again captured public attention with various flybys during the year, but generally the Apollo-era capturing of the imagination had been dulled by a nearly unbroken stream of successes and apparent dominance in spaceflight. However, with the new year would come the first launches of Vulkan when the eyes of the world would once again turn skyward.

The first Vulkan test launches had little effect on the day-to-day operations of the American and ESA spaceflight programs. The first two launches, of an unmanned TKS spacecraft to Salyut 6 and a military comsat to geosynchronous orbit, respectively, were more about proving the vehicle’s operational status. It would be the third and fourth flights, which launched Salyut 7’s first DOS core module and the first crew to the station, respectively, that would be more significant. First of all, the first Salyut 7 crew was also the first manned TKS mission--just as the final Salyut 6 crew, when they returned to Earth, would be the last to do so in the venerable Soyuz capsule. Comparisons were natural between TKS and Apollo, and the systems in retrospect were surprisingly equal. Apollo Block III+ offered a higher crew capacity, and thus fewer launches required for crew rotation every year. However, TKS actually offered its crew more volume in the Functional Cargo Block compared to Apollo’s Mission Module (particularly per-person, due to the same disparity in crew capacity). Additionally, the TKS system made use of a heat shield hatch to direct connect the VA capsule with the FGB’s volume, and thus lacked the mission-critical transposition and docking event Apollo required to pick up the MM from within the Saturn 1C interstage. Furthermore, while the TKS in unmanned cargo mode offered less payload than the American Aardvark, it was much more common with the manned TKS than Apollo was with Aardvark, thus reducing operational costs somewhat.

This rough evenness was also true of the two competing stations, at least once the DOS-8 core was launched to complete station assembly in February 1983, and the station’s crew was expanded to the full six. While the core volume of Spacelab was greater, this advantage was reduced (though not outweighed) by Russian procedures that kept many crew habitation functions in the FGB modules of their individual TKS spacecraft, thus reserving a higher percentage of Salyut 7’s volume for experimental activities. Similarly, while Spacelab offered more capable laboratory facilities (the somewhat jury-rigged nature of Salyut 7, intended as a bridge to more capable stations showed somewhat in its lab fittings and power availability), Salyut 7’s greater crew size made more oversight available for any given task. Salyut 7 settled into a rough routine in 1983, as the Soviets adapted to the capabilities of their new station and capsules, working out the changes from their smaller previous Salyut stations, and incorporating knowledge into the ongoing construction of the MOK core modules for their large space station. As if seeking to out-do the American space program even in platitudes, the Soviets announced that their large station would bear the name “Mir,” a reference to traditional peasant communes (though the name was often translated in Western press as meaning “peace” or “world”).

On the ground, though, American operations were breaking routine as the ripples of ELVRP II began to be felt. Though the causes are more often attributed to Vulkan Panic and the new Space Station Freedom program, many of the changes were already anticipated as the result of ELVRP II, and had been under planning since that contract was awarded in 1981--almost a year before the first launch of Vulkan. It was thus understood that transitioning ground support equipment and manufacturing infrastructure to support Saturn Multibody would be more challenging than the transition to Saturn 1C had been. Though the changes were smaller than they had been in making ready to support Spacelab with Saturn 1C, they had to be made without compromising the ability to support continuing Spacelab operations. In manufacturing, this was solved by contracting Boeing to roughly double Saturn 1C production from 1983 to 1985, in order to create a stockpile of launch vehicles which could be used to bridge the gap during which the Michoud assembly facility would have to be stood down to prepare for Multibody’s construction. Extensive focus was placed on using this production increase to study opportunities to streamline production, as well as on the necessary plans to manage the transition of VAB support equipment from Saturn 1C to Multibody without breaking Spacelab’s operational tempo.

Thus, at the end of 1983, the orbital situation was two parallel, roughly equal stations, supported by roughly equivalent spacecraft, with both the Soviets and Americans working on future even-larger stations. Vulkan was proving its worth, with a launch rate exceeding that of Saturn 1C and Delta 4000 combined (largely because it filled a role equivalent to both), and the period that has been occasionally referred to as a second Space Race was underway.
 
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1/3 of the way through Part II. Well over 100,000 views. Closing in on 900 responses. Well done! :D

Onto the update. Garlic. Now that was an issue. And not one I saw coming.

Supporting the transition from Saturn 1C to Saturn MultiBody. Easier at the production end, just ramp it up in advance. The VAB being the harder part, where they need to make the changes without harming Station Operations - not an issue during STS development when there was a 6-year Hiatus IOTL.

The Salyut 7/TKS department has my interest though. With the various differences between Salyut 7/Spacelab as well as TKS/Apollo Block III+. As well as how they can still perform very similarly to each other by the differences in how the operations are carried out. With TKS being able to serve as the Station's habitation quarters, allowing far more of the station to be used for the on-orbit operations/experiments. It's closer commonality between the Manned and Unmanned versions being of some help to them.

Makes me wonder what's going to happen when they try to get the Mir Station built - Slowly, and with great difficulty IMHO.
 
1/3 of the way through Part II. Well over 100,000 views. Closing in on 900 responses. Well done! :D

Onto the update. Garlic. Now that was an issue. And not one I saw coming.

Supporting the transition from Saturn 1C to Saturn MultiBody. Easier at the production end, just ramp it up in advance. The VAB being the harder part, where they need to make the changes without harming Station Operations - not an issue during STS development when there was a 6-year Hiatus IOTL.

The Salyut 7/TKS department has my interest though. With the various differences between Salyut 7/Spacelab as well as TKS/Apollo Block III+. As well as how they can still perform very similarly to each other by the differences in how the operations are carried out. With TKS being able to serve as the Station's habitation quarters, allowing far more of the station to be used for the on-orbit operations/experiments. It's closer commonality between the Manned and Unmanned versions being of some help to them.

Makes me wonder what's going to happen when they try to get the Mir Station built - Slowly, and with great difficulty IMHO.

On the Garlic issue, ask the russian about Frenchman Jean-Loup Chrètien visit to the Salut Station :rolleyes:

the production of 5 Saturn I-C a year, drop the production cost. :cool:
changing VAB is not so big problem, it has 4 "slots" two were used during Apollo program. the two other were backup or for Earth orbit rendezvous depend was story you hear.
Saturn I-C process could move to two empty Slots, were the two front slot can be modified for Saturn Multi-body
if you got Google map or Earth, zooom on VAB and drop the guy for streetwalk on it, and enjoy tour true VAB :cool::cool::cool:

that's a brilliant idea with TKS on Salut-7/DOS-8, the TKS offers there crew habitats, while the Core module serves experiments.
with FGB (unmanned TKS) you get flexible mission adaption

with introduction of Delta 4000, what happen ti Titan family ?
 
....So, this week, it's getting a roundup: Delta 4000, Spacelab ops, Salyut 7, and a bit more!
A whole lot more than a "bit;" I've been waiting for Apollo Block III+ to fly since February!:D
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Though ELVRP I had ended up overshadowed by the focus on the ELVRP II program that would supplement it for large payload, the Delta 4000 rocket contracted under the former was in many ways more critical to the Department of Defense and NASA. The payload range it served--between 6 and 12 tons--was quite common on both organization’s manifests, thanks to the Titan family which had previously filled that role.
Wow, 12 tons. That's presumably to LEO. Still, that's not bad at all. Did anyone give any consideration to developing a man-rated version, to serve as a means of quickly launching a rescue capsule to give crews stranded in orbit an alternative means of reentry in case something went wrong with their Apollo CM?

Actually, if the rescue capsule is sent up unmanned and then the stranded crew in orbit manages the docking, the rocket doesn't have to be "man-rated" at all; if it blows up, que sera sera, you bring out the second Delta 4000 with the second backup rescue capsule and launch it from an alternate pad, and hope that it was just bad luck and not some overlooked systemic issue that blew up the first one. It doesn't need an escape tower either.

Just basically a bare-bones version of a 3- or 5-man Apollolike capsule with a minimal orbital maneuvering system, keep 5 or so of them on hand just in case.

All this assumes that a Delta 4000 is cheaper than a Saturn 1C and easier to assemble and launch. If this is only marginally so then never mind, I guess.

And you'd have mentioned it if the plan had been considered and approved and implemented; I'm asking if it was considered and rejected.
...the first operational launch would have to wait until July. The payload was a NASA orbital communications satellite, TDRSS-A, part of a new constellation of communications satellites located at geostationary, and intended to allow easy contact among crews in orbit, either in free-flying Apollo capsules or aboard Spacelab or future stations, and the control centers on the ground. The Tracking and Data Relay System allowed the closing of many of the Apollo-era world-spanning communications ground stations, while also offering an increase in the bandwidth available for both up and downlink of data and telemetry.
I see (from Wikipedia) that OTL TDRS was part of the package of the STS, the first one (which however malfunctioned and was only partially able to complete its missions) being launched on Challenger's first flight, STS-6, in 1983. Already then this timeline is advanced by several years over OTL, especially when the replacement for the downgraded first TDRS was flying on Challenger's last flight in 1986!:eek: Presumably here if there ever are any Delta 4000 launch failures, the replacement will be much more readily and rapidly forthcoming.:rolleyes: By 1986 I suppose there will be a redundant constellation of TDRSS up and operational for over half a decade already; perhaps a second generation will go up on Multibodies?
...This record of solid, if unheralded, service continued in 1980 first with the rotation flight of Spacelab 8 in January, then with Spacelab 9 in , the first flight of the Block III+ Apollo. The three-person test crew launched from Kennedy Space Center in May, lead by veteran Spacelab astronaut Robert Crippen, with Donald Hunt as pilot and the first UK astronaut, Nigel Wood, filling the third seat.
:D:):cool::):D
After their successful flight to orbit, the flight crew detached the Apollo Command and Service Module from the booster, then transposed and docked with the Mission Module that had been safely contained within the booster payload adapter. After an hour or so of checking hoses and ducts, the crew in orbit confirmed with the ground personnel that the capsule checked out, and they proceeded to dock with Spacelab two days later. The skill of Crippen and Hunt proved the worries over the camera-and-radar-based docking controls unnecessary with a flawless rendezvous and docking,
Huh. I'd have thought, especially for the first mission, that the MM would be equipped with a porthole and orbital maneuvering controls for a pilot to manage the docking with direct eyeball observation of the target.

Sure, a second set of controls is weight that could be used for something else, and perhaps an invitation to Murphy.

But I thought the whole point of having a pilot in the loop is that piloted is better than filtering through automatic or remote controls; other than the moral factor that an astronaut pilot in the craft has his own body on the line, how is a TV view of the docking different from ground control doing it by remote control? Speed of light lag will be negligible in low orbit, even allowing for relays--I grant there is a risk of losing communications completely.

Obviously if there are people aboard a spacecraft, one or more of them should be controlling it, not the ground. The question is, why should there be any people in any spacecraft?:eek:

So, I figured the "Right Stuff" mystique that runs so much of NASA would insist on a direct view by Mark I eyeball, hence an alternate control set and station at the docking end of the MM. They could always suggest that the primary pilot in the CM is doing the actual docking by TV, and the direct station is manned by the copilot serving as observer and backup in case the remote docking turns out to be less than satisfactory. And if the CM set works OK on the first couple missions they delete the direct control station from later MM designs.

Though I'd suggest keeping a bare-bones version of it as part of the standard docking set on all missions, in case something goes wonky in the CM.

Say the CM gets holed by a meteor while the ship is in free flight, or something blows in the SM a la Apollo 13 but this time the explosion is forceful enough to rupture the CM's atmospheric containment, and they have to scramble into the MM and dog the hatch to survive. This is where the ability to launch an alternate CM sufficient to land them safely would come in handy! Assuming that is, that the MM has some maneuvering ability, or at least a control set that in a pinch could be switched to remote-control the emergency rescue craft to dock with the MM...

Or the emergency control set in the MM could control the rest of the original ship, insofar as it still functions even if it is not habitable or useful for landing, to bring it in to dock with a space station, another Block III+ sent up as a more expensive but more capable rescue mission, or what have you.

....Chrètien had insisted on Frech-provided menu items to be included in the mission’s food stocks, and had sampled them aboard the Apollo during the transit to station. To the rest of the crew’s displeasure, the garlic proved more than the capsule’s air filters could handle, and lingered throughout the remaining day of the transit to the station.
OK, Michel Van's reply implies this is based on real-world experience, only with Russians rather than Americans learning the hard lessons.

I find it odd that problems of this type have to wait until a French astronaut is involved; there's plenty of Americans who appreciate quite a lot of garlic for instance!

Is it just that the French astronaut is the first to assert his right to have food he actually likes versus bland, guaranteed safe but no fun NASA food the mostly-military American astronauts stoically endured as a legacy of the Space Race?
....Percentages of women and minority applicants began to increase in each class, particularly the former following the Spacelab 15 flight of Peggy Barnes as Flight Scientist on Spacelab 11 in January 1981--the first non-Russian woman to fly in space, and the first to perform a spacewalk as part of tending the exposed experiments on the OWS and ERM.
I was wondering what happened to Sally Ride here, but of course this is years before her OTL STS flight, so presumably she's younger than Barnes who has seniority, and of course various butterflies might have diverted Ride from the space program completely.
...Additionally, the TKS system made use of a heat shield hatch to direct connect the Merkur capsule with the FGB’s volume, and thus lacked the mission-critical transposition and docking event Apollo required to pick up the MM from within the Saturn 1C interstage.
Nope, just the potentially mission-killing possibility the dang hatch will compromise the TPS and fry the lot of them on reentry!:eek:

I've noticed the authors here are pretty sanguine a heat shield hatch can be made foolproof. Common sense suggests to me such a hatch would be a plug in the shield which, during reentry, would be firmly sealed by the pressure of reentry itself, and I'm certainly willing to countenance them!

I presume the crew rides up in the Merkur capsule, all sealed up in spacesuits, and in case of abort the emergency escape system pulls just the Merkur loose and away from the possible explosion?

And of course this being a Soviet design, the Merkur is probably quite Spartan, not as light as Western engineers would make a Western version of the capsule to do exactly the same thing, but Western designers would burden the capsule with many bells and whistles the Soviets omit, thus it's a light capsule overall and the emergency escape system is therefore lighter.

Still, is there any risk of catastrophe lurking in the form of a hatch that isn't quite closed right but without the crew being able to tell this is the case?
Furthermore, while the TKS in unmanned cargo mode offered less payload than the American Aardvark, it was much more common with the manned TKS than Apollo was with Aardvark, thus reducing operational costs somewhat.
I don't know, if the West (well, just NASA and maybe DoD) is procuring lots of Aardvarks, and the lack of commonality between it and Apollo is due to it being engineered to take advantage of maximizing cargo delivery while not having to be at all man-rated, shouldn't the volume of Aardvark production and the inherent cheapness of an unmanned mission offset this Soviet advantage quite a lot?
...and the period that has been occasionally referred to as a second Space Race was underway.

And despite any queries and cavils, I am excited by it! Thank you.
 
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