Es Geloybte Aretz - a Germanwank

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Much the same way the German goverment spent much of the early twentieth century fretting over the fact it did not have enough land for all the Germans who needed to become small farmers - just because an idea is nonsense doesn't mean people realise this.
Mind, it's not an uncontroversial position. It sells, though. France can convince itself it has won the Scramble, or at least drawn level with the British.

Still seems a bit loony as official government policy, if white growth is supposed to entirely replace expansion through making dusky-skinned Frenchmen [1]: Germany at least had a still fairly fast-growing population in the runup to WWI and had some reason to believe its population needed new lands and would expand into them.

[1] has the idea of assimilation been dumped entirely (why?) or just downgraded to be of secondary importance to promoting white settlement?
 
It does come down to how determined the Italians are about it.

Ultimately, yes. And how much the international and domestic climate allow them to implement the level of nastiness required by the goal. (Hardly anyone outside Turkey and the Arab world even blinked at what was done in Libya IOTL, and neither mattered much).
 
Still seems a bit loony as official government policy, if white growth is supposed to entirely replace expansion through making dusky-skinned Frenchmen [1]: Germany at least had a still fairly fast-growing population in the runup to WWI and had some reason to believe its population needed new lands and would expand into them.

[1] has the idea of assimilation been dumped entirely (why?) or just downgraded to be of secondary importance to promoting white settlement?

It hasn't been dumped at all. Ultimately, all the indigenes are supposed to become French. But the huge bloc of Africa that the French now own is also (and more immediately) intended to serve as a settlement colony. A French child (by law, regardless of race, so the children of French men with native women count) is French from the start, and the government really wants more French children to underpin its global power status. Hence the intention to transplant French settlers to the soils of Africa that the natives are currently misusing and leaving woefully unproductive.

Part of this is, again, due to a misunderstanding of the United States as a good example for successful and well-managed race relations. Dixie (as they imagine it) is the vision the French have for their Africa: a ruling class of propertied whites, a broad population of engaged, politically active white citizens, a select group of uplifted, educated blacks sharing in their political rights and a large mass of blacks who, due to their inability to fully become part of modern civilisation, are allowed to lead happy lives as simple labourers under the benevolent care of their betters. Primitive populations having been considerately removed to reservations. Only, they will be more enlightenend about the whole race-mixing thing. Anglo-Saxons are such prudes.

The idea is also that this will ultimately give the French industrial proletariat better living conditions by channelng excess labour into colonisation. The government cares a lot more about the potential for Socialist disruption than it does about the rights of some Senegalese tribesmen. To give them their due, the people who dream this are convinced that it is in the best interest of everybody. They even allow for 'exceptional' natives to become fully assimilated rightaway. It's just all based on huge misconceptions.
 
It hasn't been dumped at all. Ultimately, all the indigenes are supposed to become French. But the huge bloc of Africa that the French now own is also (and more immediately) intended to serve as a settlement colony. A French child (by law, regardless of race, so the children of French men with native women count) is French from the start, and the government really wants more French children to underpin its global power status. Hence the intention to transplant French settlers to the soils of Africa that the natives are currently misusing and leaving woefully unproductive.

Part of this is, again, due to a misunderstanding of the United States as a good example for successful and well-managed race relations. Dixie (as they imagine it) is the vision the French have for their Africa: a ruling class of propertied whites, a broad population of engaged, politically active white citizens, a select group of uplifted, educated blacks sharing in their political rights and a large mass of blacks who, due to their inability to fully become part of modern civilisation, are allowed to lead happy lives as simple labourers under the benevolent care of their betters. Primitive populations having been considerately removed to reservations. Only, they will be more enlightenend about the whole race-mixing thing. Anglo-Saxons are such prudes.

The idea is also that this will ultimately give the French industrial proletariat better living conditions by channelng excess labour into colonisation. The government cares a lot more about the potential for Socialist disruption than it does about the rights of some Senegalese tribesmen. To give them their due, the people who dream this are convinced that it is in the best interest of everybody. They even allow for 'exceptional' natives to become fully assimilated rightaway. It's just all based on huge misconceptions.

It sounds a little like a deliberate conscious attempt to build the French Africa of Malê Rising, but playing out much closer to the OTL history of colonialism than the ideal presented there.
 
Hm, I wonder if the disruptions of the war have made any of the Scandinavian nations drop the gold standard (it might have been said and I missed it). If not, the Scandinavian Monetary Union would still probably be in place - might Finland seek to join, once things calm down?
 
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Baden-Baden, 01 June 1908

“With the arrival of the Imperial Chinese delegation, the peace conference at Baden-Baden has officially begun. Negotiations are scheduled to first be carried out between the members of the victorious alliance to agree on joint peace terms to be presented to the Russian representatives. These will then be discussed between the belligerent parties. With peace already concluded with Serbia and Montenegro, Russia can expect little leniency. The accounts of returning prisoners of war and the memories of their troops’ conduct in occupied areas have ensured that this peace will become costly for the Czar.”

(Berliner Illustrirte)
 
Königshütte, 02 June 1908

“Another five trainloads are advised for tomorrow!” Leutnant Friedrich Hameling reported, then sighed and shook his head.

“Where on earth…? Oh, bugger. What can you do?” Oberst von Mergentheim shrugged. “Get telegrams out to Korpsbereich and instruct the posts in Liegnitz, Tarnowitz, Ratibor, Oppeln and Brieg to secure more space. We’ll be sending at least some of the trains right through.”

Hameling saluted. “Very well, Sir.” With the modicum of daring that a reserve commission could give a man whose livelihood did not depend on military advancement, he added: “They aren’t likely to find enough room there.”

“Like we will here?” The colonel gestured out of the office window. The station concourse was a mess: Bundles of rags, people sleeping above and between them, people bundled in rags, rags that looked like people. Solitary suitcases and battered steamer trunks rose above the mass like churches over the low roofs of a medieval town. Every public building in Königshütte, every school gymnasium, every portico, warehouse and locomotive shed looked like that. It had started with returning prisoners of war, and they were still coming through in their thousands, haggard, hollow-cheeked men in threadbare uniforms on their way home, if ‘home’ still existed. But the Russians had also imprisoned nobody knew how many thousands of civilians, Germans from Poland, the Baltics and the Volga, and Berlin had decided that they would not allow these people to become hostages in the hands of a hostile and desperate power. Which put them here.

Hameling raised his hands helplessly. What else were they to do? These were Germans – at least that was what everybody said. The lieutenant sometimes wondered just how German some of them were. People he could barely understand, ragged, dazed and terrified, surrounded by the trappings of a modernity that frightened them – they reminded him of a Völkerschau more than of compatriots. Some younger men were still wearing the tattered Russian military uniforms they had put on two years ago to attack a country they now claimed as their home. How willingly? Who could say? Korporal Eisenstedt had actually met a fellow yesterday who had faced him at the battle of Auschwitz in the early days of the war. In the meantime, both had been wounded and invalided out of frontline service, the German for a railway regiment, the Russian for an internment camp. They had taken it with better grace than Hameling thought he himself could.

“Telegram from Korpsbereich, Sir!” A young telegraphist entered the office just as Leutnant Hameling reached for the doorknob.

“What of it?” The officer took the paper and read. A smile spread over his face.

“What does it say?” the colonel asked.

“We are getting accommodation for the evacuees.” Hameling explained. “Berlin has decided to send home the Russian POWs early. That opens up the camps for our people.”

Von Mergentheim nodded slowly, chewing on his pipe stem. “Does it say when?”

“A week or two. According to corps command, they intend to start with the easternmost camps and move in evacuees as soon as the POWs are out.”

“Best get used to doing with less sleep then, eh?” the colonel pointed out with forced jollity.

“Sir?”

Von Mergentheim rolled his eyes. “Leutnant, the OHL just decided to move a million people from Germany to Russia in a matter of weeks. Who do you think is going to do the scheduling? Acquire the provisions? Stock coal? We’re looking at an interesting month ahead.”

He gestured at the area map. The good news was that Silesia wanted neither for coal nor for food. With the American charities sending through what looked like all the grain in Kansas, there were also openings in eastbound traffic that could be reallocated. But it would still be hell on the scheduling. You couldn’t shunt a POW train onto sidings for a week like they’d been doing with goods trains, after all. And east of the border, a lot of the standard gauge lines the Poles had built were still single-track. Oh, this was going to be fun.
 
Königshütte, 02 June 1908
They're going to have so much fun. Fun around the clock. For some values of fun.

But it could be worse. Since the standard gauge lines only run so far, at least they can expect their engines and rolling stock back. Reasonably soon and (even more important) all accounted for. There's no telling what might happen to German rolling stock on the Russian railway network. (But the German railway companies would never have to worry about them again.)
 
They're going to have so much fun. Fun around the clock. For some values of fun.

But it could be worse. Since the standard gauge lines only run so far, at least they can expect their engines and rolling stock back. Reasonably soon and (even more important) all accounted for. There's no telling what might happen to German rolling stock on the Russian railway network. (But the German railway companies would never have to worry about them again.)
There is one problem: The gauge in Russia is 1524 mm (5') while Germany (and Poland) uses 1435 mm (4' 8 ½").
 
I may have missed this, but what terms did Serbia and Montenegro get? I assume they weren't lenient.

Montenegro got off relatively lightly, giving up a thin sliver of territory and any hope of ever again making any actual decisions on so much as the colour of the ruler's handkerchief without agreement from Vienna.

Serbia is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Habsburg Inc., under the management of a tame new king. Also owing reparations, but that's mainly so they can squeeze interest on outstanding sums.
 
What the status of A-H? Sure they have win but if Germany had spent a lot of blood in the war and some political trouble is due in the aftermath; i expect that things will be worse in the Hapsburg Empire, even due to the not stellar situation of their army at the time.
 
What the status of A-H? Sure they have win but if Germany had spent a lot of blood in the war and some political trouble is due in the aftermath; i expect that things will be worse in the Hapsburg Empire, even due to the not stellar situation of their army at the time.

There's been a post that says Hungary secedes in the late 1930s, so I suspect its gonna limp for a while, but still will eventually break.

I actually have some questions about that.

1: What will happen Galacia? Given to Poland?

2: If the breakup comes with war, then if Hungary has to give up territory, will Serbia get the north bank of the Danube (obviously not all of vojvondia, but the southern part of it)?

3: Would Montenegro get koper?

4: What would happen to the Serbia-Croatia-Bosnia clusterfuck?

5: What would happen to Trieste, Istria, and Friuli (Counting each as separate things)

6: What would happen to Bohemia? stay with the rest of Austria, or go its own way? And if it does go its own way, then what about the Sudetenland Germans?

7: What will happen to pressburg? (currently in Hungary)
 
There's been a post that says Hungary secedes in the late 1930s, so I suspect its gonna limp for a while, but still will eventually break.

I actually have some questions about that....

So do I. Where is this post?

Other than an author tip-off I see no reason to anticipate a break-up; as I see it it is in the German Empire's interest to try to sustain their huge if somewhat ramshackle ally, and both are on the winning side, which tends to strengthen the hand of pro-unification factions. It is particularly in the interest of German businessmen to keep their investments simple by retaining a unified state and unified policies with no pesky borders breaking up a unified transport system, so resources from Germany to reinforce unity should be forthcoming from Germany even if the German state falls into rather foolish hands. If AH can last to 1930 I see nothing short of a massive Russian invasion some time after that to threaten the empire.

Of course if it did break up, that might be the start of the landslide that leads the Russians to believe their moment has come at last.

So I'd like to see this post I evidently overlooked!
 
Putting the Baltic and Volga Germans in former POW camps? That's some message (intentional or not) that's being sent.

Also, what're they doing with (former) King Peter of Serbia, now that they've had him deposed?
 
Other than an author tip-off I see no reason to anticipate a break-up; as I see it it is in the German Empire's interest to try to sustain their huge if somewhat ramshackle ally, and both are on the winning side, which tends to strengthen the hand of pro-unification factions. It is particularly in the interest of German businessmen to keep their investments simple by retaining a unified state and unified policies with no pesky borders breaking up a unified transport system, so resources from Germany to reinforce unity should be forthcoming from Germany even if the German state falls into rather foolish hands. If AH can last to 1930 I see nothing short of a massive Russian invasion some time after that to threaten the empire.

i don't know, A-H already had two parlament and we are in the age of nationalism and frankly it's not that Germany had infinite resources (expecially in this stage) and patiente; maybe after two decade proping them up without a long term solution they give up (expecially if we have an economic crisis like OTL 29 or OTL Great Recession).
Also depend how the Hapsburg leadership try to solve the conundrum of the empire.

Nevertheless if A-H go away jugoslavia or (better for every one in the continent) URSS style, maybe with a european concert to try to solve the situation; Russia can think that's her time for revenge is come.

BTW what post about Hungary?
 
Maybe it's a Velvet Divorce with a spare Hapsburg for Hungary? Of course, the custody battle over Croatia would be a mess. :)
 
For some context, according to the OTL Russian Census in 1897 the number of people for whom German was spoken as a first Language is 1,790,489. This is probably an undercount and doesn't take into account those who identify as German who speak Russian at home nor those who are of mixed parentage who would be under pressure in a Patriotic Union dominated Russia. How many of these individuals would flee to the Deutsches Reich is open to question.

Onto Austria-Hungary. If Hungary chooses to secede Austria doesn't have to take that lying down. They will be allied to Germany who definitely don't want to see that and would have little interest or hesitation about not providing whatever assistance the Hapsburgs request.

If though for some strange reason the Austrians decided to accept the Hungarian loss then I cannot see it being allowed without some compromises to the German living in Hungary. Croatia would definitely leave and request re-entry into Austria if they feared Hungarian armies. Galicia and Bukovina would also be out on a limb. It is not impossible that Romania take Bukovina and Poland take Galicia in that scenario however it would be resisted and is a key reason that Austria wouldn't lay down at the thought of Hungary leaving.

If the break-up comes to war then Hungary would be divided into provinces like Austria and would lose its special status for revolting against the Emperor. There is no serious scenario that sees Hungary winning or even tying such a war. However, the Austrians wouldn't accept victory if it meant independent states like Serbia claiming rightfully Hapsburg lands.

In the post war world Dalmatia and Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina would probably each be individual provinces within the Austrian Empire but if Hungary was allowed to peacefully secede then they could be wrapped up into a Southern Slavic Crown (reward for the loyalty of Croatia).

The rest of Austria forms a land continuation and wouldn't be allowed to leave but Bohemia and Moravia might become more restless with the Czechs wanting independence but the Germans more committed than ever to prevent it. And it is highly likely whatever the outcome the areas directly adjacent to Austria will leave Hungary and form a new Austrian province containing both Odenburg and Pressburg. Without those cities Austria would simply declare a state of Civil War.
 
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