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And the only one I'd gotten is Kubla Khan. And Star Trek obviously.
Still great update - glad to see some activity in the north and west.
Still great update - glad to see some activity in the north and west.
Granted. On the other hand, Wu might well get desperate enough to figure that as bad as his chances are out west, they're still better than staying in China proper and fighting both the Ming and the majority of his own population. And given the nature of both the times and the Ming, I suspect that the Hui are going to be in for a very rough time when Shenzhou falls; even if they aren't simply expelled, I think a lot of them are going to choose to flee west instead of staying for the inevitable vicious reprisals. That migration would spark an ugly war, but at least there won't be the vast religious differences on top of everything else to make it even worse.
Oh, SP, what will you come up with next? Batman in 1650s Nanjing? Willy Wonka? Esoteric Feng Shui?
Let's see...
Samuel Coleridge's Kubla Khan
HP Lovecraft (loss of points for me for my lack of story)
[[Strike, point to anon_user: Lord of the Rings?]]
Green Lantern
Ozymandias
Flash Gordon (EDIT: Ah, more likely Star Wars, yes, anon_user)
Star Trek II
References:
couplet 3 - "As the clever hopes expire of our low dishonest age" - September 1, 1939 by Auden
last couplet - "Great Sengge Khan, you are our only hope!" - Star Wars: A New Hope
"Terrible and swift is his sword" - Battle Hymn of the Republic? ('terrible swift sword')
Dunno about the rings bit...it is classic Ironman villain, the Mandarin, lord of the Ten Rings?
Otherwise I'll have no choice but to come up with some half-baked scenario that involves mashing together the plots of about seven Haruki Murakami novels.
I actually thought this actually succeeded, but admittedly with such an opportunity I'd probably have been equally petty.NOTES
(1) In OTL the collapsing Southern Ming sent an informal mission or two to Japan asking for aid and were basically laughed out of town by the Shogunate, which correctly judged that the Ming were about to go under anyway and took the opportunity to sneer at their former rival. ITTL things are rather different . . .
I forgot the numbers but the dutch loved the cheap copper ore they got out of the japanese trade, which once smelted at Batavia would bring in enormous profits.(2) Contrary to what you may have heard from the contemporary historico-industrial complex, Japan wasn’t always totally bereft of natural resources. On the contrary, it was a large exporter of copper and silver in particular for centuries.
Which apparently amounts to shipping them off to Japan's little bit of siberian paradise - oh well, they can still trade and open up bears(4) Although the Keian Uprising failed as it did OTL, ITTL it’s a much bigger deal and the response to the incident by the shogunate is correspondingly more of a, “Holy shit, we’ve got to do something serious!” reaction.
Does ō read as ou just like if it was an umlaut . . .
I forgot the numbers but the dutch loved the cheap copper ore they got out of the japanese trade, which once smelted at Batavia would bring in enormous profits.
Hm... what about the creation of mercenary corps that the Ming and other neighboring states can hire? For most of the 17th and 18th century, the Princes of the Holy Roman Empire eked out a living doing just that.
Of course, a lot of people don't even bother putting that line above "o" and just write ronin or roju or whatever, but that just seems sloppy to me. Plus I originally learned a weird style of Japanese romanization that always uses doubled vowels, so it's kind of natural for me to write that way.
I thought of this option, but it wasn't immediately clear to me who had the resources and the desire to hire/equip/transport/feed vast mercenary corps of samurai. Manpower is not among the Ming's concerns, while Wu Sangui simply doesn't have the funds for such an undertaking. Ba is landlocked, and the Manchus certainly wouldn't be interested. Southeast Asia is interesting, since there's a war going on there now, but then the distances start to increase and one would successfully put such a project together.
Yeah, I'm horribly lazy that way. I guess that's the problem when not putting that much effort in dealing with foreign languages.
Japanese mercenaries had a big presence in SE Asia in OTL, right? I remember they were active in Thailand.
Well in OTL, the Ming were notoriously short on professional soldiers. Most units were operating on less than half their nominal strength as local military leaders made their living on collecting the salalry of non-existant soldiers. Most of the elite units were the personal military staff of the generals which typically accounted for less than 10% of the nominal strength of the units on paper. A loyal and well trained mercenary corps could be very attractive to the Emperor or marshalls like Koxinga.
Speaking of Koxinga, he will make an ideal leader of such a Samurai troop, considering he is half Japanese and his father more or less operated like the Wokou Japanese pirates. Might be even interesting to have him lead an army of ronin Samurais to topple the Tokugawa Shogunate and become the new Shogun of Japan.... heck he can lead the 17th century version of Meji restoration.
Meanwhile, Japan exported large quantities of copper, mostly in coin form, and silver to ports controlled by the Southern Ming (2). As the 1650s began, Japanese traders also began to make voyages to the retrenching Manchu Empire, which established a port at Haishenwai for foreign trade; Japan began to export significant quantities of high-quality swords and firearms to the Manchus at this time. Meanwhile, the Dutch were unceremoniously ejected from the artificial island of Deshima in Nagasaki Bay. They had always been viewed with considerable opprobrium by the Shogunate, and given the reopening of trade with China proper the presence of Christians - a group deeply distrusted by the central government after the events of the Shimabara Rebellion scarcely ten years before - was deemed unnecessary. The China trade brought considerable wealth to Japan, as merchant lineages competed to win permission to send ships abroad.
Indeed, the bear trade would prove to be so lucrative that in only a few short years, it was evident that a new supply of those animals that were worth their weight in gold would have to be found - and it was then that Japan headed north once more, to Karafuto and eventually to points beyond.
I'm confused about Esoteric Daoism, though. I thought regular Daoism opposed divination and fortune telling. Is this one of the differences between Esoteric Daoism and original daoism or am I just misremembering?
Mmm. I think that the Dutch will remain. They were very, very careful to not Prosletyze (being willing to tread upon the cross to remain there, frex), and I think the Shogun would prefer to not become dependent on the Ming.
Matters came to a head in 1651 with the outbreak of the 慶安事件 (Keian jiken, or “Keian Incident”), an uprising of disaffected rounin led by Yui Shousetsu, who was himself a rounin. The plotters mounted coordinated attacks on Osaka, Shizuoka, and Edo Castle, the beating heart of the Shogunate itself.
Hrm. What was their goal?
So part of the Ming dynasties politics is based on rolling dice? That seems stable. To war! Men, prepare the d6!
I just love all of the wackiness in your TL's subversivepanda, they truly make my day.
.... I would like to appoint you as the Son of Heaven.
This brilliant, and it's a shame more people aren't commenting.