Enoch’s National Front

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Japhy

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Ideas that are now shared by modern Russia and Italy?
Leave your politics at the door then you can enjoy alternate history!

I may just be a dumb Yankee but I'm pretty sure that the situations in Russia and Italy are different from that in your Pre-Powell Britain.

And that that the plausibility level of a government with a long tradition of democratic rule from the people and ensured rights deporting millions of those very people is less then reasonable.
 
Should it and would it?
Or do you want it to?

Britain is neither Italy nor Russia. The U.K. has strong pluralist and democratic traditions dating back arguably to the seventeenth century. Neither Russia nor Italy have such a tradition. Also, those regimes are not openly racist, unlike Powell's.
 

cumbria

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And that that the plausibility level of a government with a long tradition of democratic rule from the people and ensured rights deporting millions of those very people is less then reasonable

Mmmmm yes!
 

cumbria

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Britain is neither Italy nor Russia. The U.K. has strong pluralist and democratic traditions dating back arguably to the seventeenth century. Neither Russia nor Italy have such a tradition. Also, those regimes are not openly racist, unlike Powell's.

Powell would say his regime is not racist.
 
The exporting of the NF to other countries is implausible, the racialist overtones and mass deportations are implausible, the popularity and degree of support the NF has received is implausible, and the rebuilding of the Empire that has occurred here is similarly implausible. Of course, so too is the duration of Powell's rule.

Too right. This has gone WAY far into the realm of ASB.
 

Japhy

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I see now you are starting to understand.

I guess I'm not, because Segregation was racist, ended, and never went so far as deportations of African Americans, nor did it gain the wholehearted support and utter dominance of national politics that Powell's National Front gained here.
 

cumbria

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Deporting millions of people from Britain in the 1980s. The logistics alone make it nearly impossible to pull off such a feat.

Well besides the fact that there was mass black riots at the time, the logistics would be easy after all the Soviets deported millions of Germans in one year in 1946.
 
Well besides the fact that there was mass black riots at the time, the logistics would be easy after all the Soviets deported millions of Germans in one year in 1946.

Their massive military (which Britain doesn't have) probably helped. And there was international backing for that action at the time (regrettable but true). Neither one of these are present in mid-1980s NF-run Britain.
 

Japhy

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Their massive military (which Britain doesn't have) probably helped. And there was international backing for that action at the time (regrettable but true). Neither one of these are present in mid-1980s NF-run Britain.

Also worth mentioning that Germany had just caused the largest war in history. And from a logistical standpoint the Germans only had to be forced from their homes overland.
 

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just finished reading this T/L and threw up in my mouth a little.

When the OTL events are stripped out it is a love letter to racism and fascist thought.

Not once in 50+ actual posts, nor in any of your comments is anything indicating that this is a dystopia. If fact you have stated that it is not.

Kicked for a week.

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Also worth mentioning that Germany had just caused the largest war in history. And from a logistical standpoint the Germans only had to be forced from their homes overland.

And, it was the scattered presence of Germans in so many countries that in many ways had led to the war. So, as wrong as removing the volksdeutsche from much of Eastern Europe was, it provided a means of limiting the causes of future conflicts in Europe resulting from differences in ethnicity.
 

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Ugh. The poster's evasive comments that anyone who thinks this is implausible does so for political/ideological reasons, the obvious racism wanking, and the fact that he never actually comes out with an "I totally disagree with this racist crap and the NF sucks" disclaimer like any non-racist does...

I'm upgrading this kicking to banned.
 
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