Florence was Italy's capital before Rome in OTL, it is a major tourist, economic, and industrial hub just like Milan. Milan was very heavily damaged during WW2 and gained alot of it's population from Southern Italy. It did have a economic boom yes, but that was in the 60's and 70's.
Different but similar nations .
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Florence was Italy's capital before Rome in OTL, it is a major tourist, economic, and industrial hub just like Milan. Milan was very heavily damaged during WW2 and gained alot of it's population from Southern Italy. It did have a economic boom yes, but that was in the 60's and 70's.
Florence was a temporary capital, for a few year between when the rest of Italy unified and when the Papal States were conquered.
Kingdom of Denmark .
Constitutional Monarchy with upper and lower houses of Folketing (Parliament)headed jointly by prime minister and monarch .
Comprises all of OTL Denmark along with ,Schleswig Holstein ,Icelend ,Greenland and Danish West Indies .
Population of around ten million Copenhagen is the capital .Other notable cities include Reykjavik Iceland and Kiel .
After the Napoleonic wars Denmark lost control of Norway to Sweden .This made Denmark less than thrilled but they had no choice but to go along with it .The war also destroyed the once proud Danish Royal navy ,leaving less than a half dozen vessels flying the Danish naval ensign by 1815 .
In the 1820`s the fleet was rebuilt with around two dozen frigates based on the American Constitution and a half dozen two decker ships of the line being constructed at Copenhagen .
When steam engines began to be fitted to sailing ships Denmark ordered a pair of new three decker 120 gun ships of the line and eight frigates of the new type .These ships were delivered in 1857 just in time to be made obsolete by the emergence of the new ironclad type warships .
The Danish industry was not up to the task of building these new ships and so Denmark put in orders to British yards for four Mastless turret ships and a pair of broadside ironclads .These ships would fight well in the Schleswig war with Prussia and Austria ,defeating the Austrian navy under Admiral Tegethoff who had trounced the Italians at Lissa a few years before .
Meanwhile the Danish army fought well against the Prussian army and was able to even hold them back /Eventually a peace was reached and Denmark was able to keep the land they and Prussia had gone to war over .The fact that peace had been reached at all was due to the help of the Netherlands who signed a defense pact with Denmark after the battle with the Austrians .Prussia made peace because they could not have their army at two places at once and would have been hard pressed to defeat the Dutch and Danish armies .
Denmark rapidly modernized during the 1870`s and 80`s and their navy kept pace with modern units joining every few years as new technology made old ships just that ,old .In 1893 passed the first naval bill which pledged enough money to build four battleships four armored cruisers and eight protected cruisers ,along with two dozen torpedo boats for coastal defense .
Denmark would build a pair of the new Dreadnought battleships in 1912 .They would stay out of WWI but be invaded by Germany in WWII .Liberated in 1945 as one of the last outposts of NAZI control .
They would stay neutral during the cold war ,letting Soviet submarines pass through Danish waters without incident .
When the EU was formed they would abstain from membership .Currently as of 2016 their navy is the fifth largest in Europe ,behind their ally the Netherlands only in the number of frigates they posses .
They are a strong and vibrant economy and have a growing population ,even in areas as harsh as Greenland which boasts over one hundred thousand people who mostly work in the mines to the north were natural gas is found in abundance .
Constitutional Monarchy with upper and lower houses of Folketing (Parliament)headed jointly by prime minister and monarch .
Comprises all of OTL Denmark along with ,Schleswig Holstein ,Icelend ,Greenland and Danish West Indies .
Population of around ten million Copenhagen is the capital .Other notable cities include Reykjavik Iceland and Kiel .
After the Napoleonic wars Denmark lost control of Norway to Sweden .This made Denmark less than thrilled but they had no choice but to go along with it .The war also destroyed the once proud Danish Royal navy ,leaving less than a half dozen vessels flying the Danish naval ensign by 1815 .
In the 1820`s the fleet was rebuilt with around two dozen frigates based on the American Constitution and a half dozen two decker ships of the line being constructed at Copenhagen .
When steam engines began to be fitted to sailing ships Denmark ordered a pair of new three decker 120 gun ships of the line and eight frigates of the new type .These ships were delivered in 1857 just in time to be made obsolete by the emergence of the new ironclad type warships .
The Danish industry was not up to the task of building these new ships and so Denmark put in orders to British yards for four Mastless turret ships and a pair of broadside ironclads .These ships would fight well in the Schleswig war with Prussia and Austria ,defeating the Austrian navy under Admiral Tegethoff who had trounced the Italians at Lissa a few years before .
Meanwhile the Danish army fought well against the Prussian army and was able to even hold them back /Eventually a peace was reached and Denmark was able to keep the land they and Prussia had gone to war over .The fact that peace had been reached at all was due to the help of the Netherlands who signed a defense pact with Denmark after the battle with the Austrians .Prussia made peace because they could not have their army at two places at once and would have been hard pressed to defeat the Dutch and Danish armies .
Denmark rapidly modernized during the 1870`s and 80`s and their navy kept pace with modern units joining every few years as new technology made old ships just that ,old .In 1893 passed the first naval bill which pledged enough money to build four battleships four armored cruisers and eight protected cruisers ,along with two dozen torpedo boats for coastal defense .
Denmark would build a pair of the new Dreadnought battleships in 1912 .They would stay out of WWI but be invaded by Germany in WWII .Liberated in 1945 as one of the last outposts of NAZI control .
They would stay neutral during the cold war ,letting Soviet submarines pass through Danish waters without incident .
When the EU was formed they would abstain from membership .Currently as of 2016 their navy is the fifth largest in Europe ,behind their ally the Netherlands only in the number of frigates they posses .
They are a strong and vibrant economy and have a growing population ,even in areas as harsh as Greenland which boasts over one hundred thousand people who mostly work in the mines to the north were natural gas is found in abundance .
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I like the idea of a more powerful Denmark (look for my timeline 'Victorious Denmark becomes a colonial power') but how does this let Denmark keep Greenland and Iceland? What I do agree on is that Denmark had potential to maintain a fairly strong navy. A Danish-Dutch alliance would certainly discourage Prussian/German aggression at sea, but I think they would need a major land power to back them up.
The Royal Republic of France
Covers France and a few remaining colonies (Indochina, North Africa, Levant) as well as Saarland and parts of the Rheinland
Lyautey attempts, and manages a coup following the financial crisis of 1924, the refusal of Germany to pay up war indemnities and his being taken away from Morocco to be replaced by Pétain.
Action Française and the Maurassiens clamor for him to come back and he humours them, ending the derelict parliamentary regime and replacing a King at the Head of State with Lyautey as President. The King is in effect a figurehead and the country is ruled by a nationalistic military junte.
Lyautey ordered the army to strenghten and deepen the occupation of the Rheinland in lieu of war indemnity, ending up formally annexing it despite British and American protests. As Lyautey said "this would not have happened if the victors had been treated as kindly as the losers".
He is most known for his nativist policy in the colonies where he propped up native rulers and local administration.
By annexing the rich Rheinlands as well as stunting any decolonisation effort, Lyautey and his successors put France as a very powerful nation, although one which left behind democracy. It has to be noted that the high military budget and constant foreign interventions put a high strain on the budget and on the "forces vives", the young people who often try a career in the army rather than in the business world
Covers France and a few remaining colonies (Indochina, North Africa, Levant) as well as Saarland and parts of the Rheinland
Lyautey attempts, and manages a coup following the financial crisis of 1924, the refusal of Germany to pay up war indemnities and his being taken away from Morocco to be replaced by Pétain.
Action Française and the Maurassiens clamor for him to come back and he humours them, ending the derelict parliamentary regime and replacing a King at the Head of State with Lyautey as President. The King is in effect a figurehead and the country is ruled by a nationalistic military junte.
Lyautey ordered the army to strenghten and deepen the occupation of the Rheinland in lieu of war indemnity, ending up formally annexing it despite British and American protests. As Lyautey said "this would not have happened if the victors had been treated as kindly as the losers".
He is most known for his nativist policy in the colonies where he propped up native rulers and local administration.
By annexing the rich Rheinlands as well as stunting any decolonisation effort, Lyautey and his successors put France as a very powerful nation, although one which left behind democracy. It has to be noted that the high military budget and constant foreign interventions put a high strain on the budget and on the "forces vives", the young people who often try a career in the army rather than in the business world
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As for the first question look at OTL .No one took either from Denmark (If Denmark had something to offer Iceland that Independence would not have they could have stayed on as a kingdom or duchy) as no one wanted them badly enough to fight for them .
And as for the second concern I dont think Denmark needed a major land power as an ally if they could have managed to not royally piss of Germany .Also Denmark controls the only real way of getting goods in and out of German ports via the Denmark straight .If they needed to they could remind their German neighbors ,kindly .That Denmark`s position is not at all weak .
As for the Netherlands I am sure they could manage to get France involved in any war they had with Germany if it meant a chance for France to get back land lost in the Franco Prussian disaster .
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Maybe you are right but in my TL just about everyone else thought Denmark's position was pretty bad. If they need to, Prussia can send goods straight to the North Sea via Hanover, if they co-operate. Denmark-Netherlands-Hanover alliance, anyone?
Also, there may not be a Franco-Prussian War. If Prussia can't beat Denmark with Austrian help, how will it beat France on its own?
Viceroyalty of Peru .
Constitutional Monarchy with king of Spain holding title and actual government matters controlled by the Congress .
Comprises all of OTL Peru ,some of Bolivia and Ecuador .
Population of around forty million .
Peru was the only part of the Spanish empire on the continent of south America Spain managed to hold onto after the Napoleonic wars .It has maintained a healthy relationship with it`s neighbors since the early 1900`s but fought a series of victorious wars against both Chile and Gran Columbia .
In 1884-87 Bolivia gained independence from Peru during the civil war between republicans and monarchists after the succession crisis of 1883 .
The government took no part in the Spanish-American war due to it`s lack of naval forces .After the war Peru ordered two battleships from British yards which were later changed to an order for two Dreadnoughts of the Neptune type after the previous class was rendered obsolete with the launch of HMS Dreadnought in 1906 .
The nation took no part in WWI but purchased four German cruisers from the Allies in 1921 .
During the Spanish civil war Peru hosted the Monarchy and sent an army of a half a million men to fight both the Nationalists and the Republicans .The war ended with the restoration of the Monarchy in 1937 and a greater amount of cooperation between the Spanish and Peruvian governments during the Cold war were they both stayed neutral .
Constitutional Monarchy with king of Spain holding title and actual government matters controlled by the Congress .
Comprises all of OTL Peru ,some of Bolivia and Ecuador .
Population of around forty million .
Peru was the only part of the Spanish empire on the continent of south America Spain managed to hold onto after the Napoleonic wars .It has maintained a healthy relationship with it`s neighbors since the early 1900`s but fought a series of victorious wars against both Chile and Gran Columbia .
In 1884-87 Bolivia gained independence from Peru during the civil war between republicans and monarchists after the succession crisis of 1883 .
The government took no part in the Spanish-American war due to it`s lack of naval forces .After the war Peru ordered two battleships from British yards which were later changed to an order for two Dreadnoughts of the Neptune type after the previous class was rendered obsolete with the launch of HMS Dreadnought in 1906 .
The nation took no part in WWI but purchased four German cruisers from the Allies in 1921 .
During the Spanish civil war Peru hosted the Monarchy and sent an army of a half a million men to fight both the Nationalists and the Republicans .The war ended with the restoration of the Monarchy in 1937 and a greater amount of cooperation between the Spanish and Peruvian governments during the Cold war were they both stayed neutral .
Republic of Central America
Federal Republic with eight constituent states .
Quintana Roo ,Yucatan ,Campeche ,Guatemala ,EL Salvador ,Honduras ,Costa Rica ,Panama .
The government consist of two levels .State governments and Federal who share power .
population is around forty million .
In the 1840`s parts of Central America which had been under Spanish control formed the first central American republic which was destroyed after Mexican invasion in the 1860`s .
The remnants of the former CAR would form in the 1870`s the second republic with three states .With strong US backing the nation grew in the 80`s and 90`s to take over surrounding nations .An example of this is Panama which had been under the control of the crumbling Colombian government .The US wished to build a canal through the isthmus which the Colombian government refused .The US then invaded and took over the land with a gunboat and local troops .The Americans offered Panama independence which the land refused .
The CAR then offered Panama an alternative ,membership in the government as a state .Panama agreed and signed an American trade agreement .
The nation was neutral in World Wars one and two .Joined NATO in the 50`s and became a founding member of the American Trade Union in 1962 .The nation was hit very hard in the recession of 2008-20016 but is recovering quickly .
Federal Republic with eight constituent states .
Quintana Roo ,Yucatan ,Campeche ,Guatemala ,EL Salvador ,Honduras ,Costa Rica ,Panama .
The government consist of two levels .State governments and Federal who share power .
population is around forty million .
In the 1840`s parts of Central America which had been under Spanish control formed the first central American republic which was destroyed after Mexican invasion in the 1860`s .
The remnants of the former CAR would form in the 1870`s the second republic with three states .With strong US backing the nation grew in the 80`s and 90`s to take over surrounding nations .An example of this is Panama which had been under the control of the crumbling Colombian government .The US wished to build a canal through the isthmus which the Colombian government refused .The US then invaded and took over the land with a gunboat and local troops .The Americans offered Panama independence which the land refused .
The CAR then offered Panama an alternative ,membership in the government as a state .Panama agreed and signed an American trade agreement .
The nation was neutral in World Wars one and two .Joined NATO in the 50`s and became a founding member of the American Trade Union in 1962 .The nation was hit very hard in the recession of 2008-20016 but is recovering quickly .
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Would you like to have a go at posting maps of the last two? Peru's a country that doesn't get a lot of attention, so that would be an interesting one to see.
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Kingdom of Novgorod
Population of 45 million
Capital is Novgorod
Constitutional Monarchy
After victory over the Swedes at the Neva in 1240, and over the Livonians at Lake Peipus in 1242, the young Prince of Novgorod, Alexander Nevsky, was elected king. This was unprecedented in Novgorod's history, but proved to be a wise decision. (This POD is very early, so it doesn't really fit into 'After 1900,' but I liked the idea. I might make a separate TL later). Under his aggressive leadership southern Finland was taken, and Sweden was reduced in power thanks to his alliance with Norway. Estonia was captured shortly before his death in 1263. His son Vasily inherited the throne of Novgorod.
Novgorod superseded Muscovy due to its significantly better trade links, and the region was annexed peacefully in the 1350s. The Muslim Khanate of the Golden Horde remained a reasonably friendly neighbour to the south-east. For the next 200 years Novgorod was largely peaceful, although expansion north-eastwards continued slowly. The monarchy was strong, but not too oppressive and the Wars of Religion after the Reformation had no damaging effects due to the reasonable freedom and loyalty of the country's citizens, most of whom remained Orthodox. However in 1585 Poland-Lithuania, which had grown significantly at the expense of the minor rulers in the Ukraine, invaded Novgorod. The resulting war was initially devastating, but a loose coalition of Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden and Polovtsy finally destroyed most of the invading force north of Kiev in 1588. Kiev-Polovtsy, later becoming simply Ukraine, became the major power in southern Russia, while Novgorod made its first gains in the west since the 1200s. Poland-Lithuania survived, expanding into Latvia and destroying the final remnants of the Livonian Order.
Meanwhile the King's Arctic Exploration Company was founded in 1678 by Alexander IV. One of its most famous members, Vitus Bering, went on to discover and chart the Bering Strait in 1728. Novgorod recognised the economic potential of links with North America, and the first permanent trading post was set up in 1739. Alaska officially became an overseas territory of Novgorod in 1770. Novgorod took part in the Seven Year's War (1756-63) alongside its allies, Britain and Brandenburg, against France, Austria and Spain. Novgorod secured Alaska, and gained Hawaii and modern day Washington and Oregon, but these two later rebelled and became independent in 1816. In Europe its armies marched through Ukraine (friendly but neutral) and attacked eastern Austria.
Population of 45 million
Capital is Novgorod
Constitutional Monarchy
After victory over the Swedes at the Neva in 1240, and over the Livonians at Lake Peipus in 1242, the young Prince of Novgorod, Alexander Nevsky, was elected king. This was unprecedented in Novgorod's history, but proved to be a wise decision. (This POD is very early, so it doesn't really fit into 'After 1900,' but I liked the idea. I might make a separate TL later). Under his aggressive leadership southern Finland was taken, and Sweden was reduced in power thanks to his alliance with Norway. Estonia was captured shortly before his death in 1263. His son Vasily inherited the throne of Novgorod.
Novgorod superseded Muscovy due to its significantly better trade links, and the region was annexed peacefully in the 1350s. The Muslim Khanate of the Golden Horde remained a reasonably friendly neighbour to the south-east. For the next 200 years Novgorod was largely peaceful, although expansion north-eastwards continued slowly. The monarchy was strong, but not too oppressive and the Wars of Religion after the Reformation had no damaging effects due to the reasonable freedom and loyalty of the country's citizens, most of whom remained Orthodox. However in 1585 Poland-Lithuania, which had grown significantly at the expense of the minor rulers in the Ukraine, invaded Novgorod. The resulting war was initially devastating, but a loose coalition of Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden and Polovtsy finally destroyed most of the invading force north of Kiev in 1588. Kiev-Polovtsy, later becoming simply Ukraine, became the major power in southern Russia, while Novgorod made its first gains in the west since the 1200s. Poland-Lithuania survived, expanding into Latvia and destroying the final remnants of the Livonian Order.
Meanwhile the King's Arctic Exploration Company was founded in 1678 by Alexander IV. One of its most famous members, Vitus Bering, went on to discover and chart the Bering Strait in 1728. Novgorod recognised the economic potential of links with North America, and the first permanent trading post was set up in 1739. Alaska officially became an overseas territory of Novgorod in 1770. Novgorod took part in the Seven Year's War (1756-63) alongside its allies, Britain and Brandenburg, against France, Austria and Spain. Novgorod secured Alaska, and gained Hawaii and modern day Washington and Oregon, but these two later rebelled and became independent in 1816. In Europe its armies marched through Ukraine (friendly but neutral) and attacked eastern Austria.
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Here is the promised map .I tried to crop it to include only south and central America but my stupid computer is not that smart and just gave me this .
Note that they do not occur in the same universe as eachother .
Note that they do not occur in the same universe as eachother .
Republic of Texas
Population 30 million .
Capital Austin .
Federal Republic with upper and lower houses of Senate .Members are directly elected by population .
Following the American civil war of 1860-64 and the surrender of Lee at Apamatox the state of Texas declared independence from the former Confederacy .The newly reborn Republic fought for over two years against the US before they managed to secure the recognition of France in 1867 after they agreed to help their government in Mexico defeat the rebels (They had already lost but with Texan support managed to take back the nation) .
In the treaty of Paris Texas would loose most of its handle which would become the rump state of Texas .
Following the war the US and Texas engaged in a cold war which lasted until the late 1880`s before it turned into a rather cold relationship .Texas initiated the naval plan of 1894 which called for a half dozen battleships to be built along with support ships .
The plan was revised upon the launch of HMS Dreadnought after three ships had been launched and Texas then built four of the Dreadnought type ships and three Super-Dreadnoughts during the first Great War of 1914-1919 ,in which they took no part .The Republic stayed out of the Washington Naval treaty of 1922 .
The Republic stayed out of the second Great War and has since maintained a policy of neutrality .Joining the Un in 1989 after the collapse of the USSR they maintain a traditional rivalry with the US but have good relationships with most nations .
Population 30 million .
Capital Austin .
Federal Republic with upper and lower houses of Senate .Members are directly elected by population .
Following the American civil war of 1860-64 and the surrender of Lee at Apamatox the state of Texas declared independence from the former Confederacy .The newly reborn Republic fought for over two years against the US before they managed to secure the recognition of France in 1867 after they agreed to help their government in Mexico defeat the rebels (They had already lost but with Texan support managed to take back the nation) .
In the treaty of Paris Texas would loose most of its handle which would become the rump state of Texas .
Following the war the US and Texas engaged in a cold war which lasted until the late 1880`s before it turned into a rather cold relationship .Texas initiated the naval plan of 1894 which called for a half dozen battleships to be built along with support ships .
The plan was revised upon the launch of HMS Dreadnought after three ships had been launched and Texas then built four of the Dreadnought type ships and three Super-Dreadnoughts during the first Great War of 1914-1919 ,in which they took no part .The Republic stayed out of the Washington Naval treaty of 1922 .
The Republic stayed out of the second Great War and has since maintained a policy of neutrality .Joining the Un in 1989 after the collapse of the USSR they maintain a traditional rivalry with the US but have good relationships with most nations .
Kingdom of Aotearoa
Population: 4.5 million
Capital: Tauranga
Largest city: Kororareka
The Kingdom of Aotearoa is an island nation occupying the islands of Aotearoa/New Zealand in the South Pacific Ocean. The Kingdom of Aotearoa was formally established in 1849 as a protectorate of the United Kingdom, evolving from the United Tribes of New Zealand. Aotearoa is a multiracial nation with about 25% Maori, 25% White, 25% Mixed Race, and 25% other (mainly East Asian, Indian, Pacific Islander, Latin American, African etc.) The Maori were considered by the British to be a very honorable native race and so interracial marriages between Maori and British were encouraged and quite common. The main official language is Maori with around 65% of the population fluent and the second main official language is English with around 55% of people fluent.
After the protectorate was established, the Maori in Aotearoa began to unify and rally under the King who was initially from the Northern tribe of Nga Puhi yet inter tribal marriages have meant that todays current king, King Tamati II can identify with all major tribes in the country. During the late 1800's the Aotearoan government began to allow much greater access to the country by European (mainly British) colonists. Many colonists came from Australia and Britain but small numbers of Indian families also came to Aotearoa from British India. During WWI, Aotearoa sent thousands of troops to Europe to fight with the United Kingdom. The most significant battle happened at Gallipoli from 1914 to 1915 where hundreds of Aotearoan troops died. After the war, Aotearoa began to develop heavily and the main cities of Kororareka, Tauranga, Tamaki, Dunedin, and Wellington began to heavily increase in size.
This development and prosperity was significantly impacted by the Great Depression where small famines struck the nation due to a heavily increasing birth rate especially among Maori. Once WWII came around Aotearoa again sent troops to fight in both Europe and the Pacific where the threat of Japanese invasion was very real. After WWII, discussions about full independence from the UK began to be discussed as neighbouring Australia was now fully independent. Post war immigration from Europe also increased and the white population was now at 35%. The protectorate of the Kingdom of Aotearoa was revoked in 1950 and Aotearoa became fully independent, turning itself to the United States rather than Europe. Although Aotearoa was a very developed country on par with neighbouring Australia,and that Aotearoa was economically tied to the United States, the government decided to remain officially neutral throughout the Cold War, becoming a Third World, Non-Aligned nation. The 1990's and 2000's brought Aotearoa billions of dollars worth of foreign investment and Kororareka became an international business hub. Major electronic and automotive firms were founded and this increased the living standards for thousands of Aotearoans providing good jobs and increasing the wealth and living standards of the country. Today, Aotearoa is economically tied with Australia, the United States, China, and the Pacific Islands. The current monarch is Queen Anahera. She is related all major tribes in Aotearoa as well as the British royal family, being a descendant of Victoria she is also in the line of succession to the British throne. Premier James Dawson is credited with the quick recovery of the economy from the Great Recession of 2008 and so far the second half of the 2010's is looking good for the Kingdom of Aotearoa.
Population: 4.5 million
Capital: Tauranga
Largest city: Kororareka
The Kingdom of Aotearoa is an island nation occupying the islands of Aotearoa/New Zealand in the South Pacific Ocean. The Kingdom of Aotearoa was formally established in 1849 as a protectorate of the United Kingdom, evolving from the United Tribes of New Zealand. Aotearoa is a multiracial nation with about 25% Maori, 25% White, 25% Mixed Race, and 25% other (mainly East Asian, Indian, Pacific Islander, Latin American, African etc.) The Maori were considered by the British to be a very honorable native race and so interracial marriages between Maori and British were encouraged and quite common. The main official language is Maori with around 65% of the population fluent and the second main official language is English with around 55% of people fluent.
After the protectorate was established, the Maori in Aotearoa began to unify and rally under the King who was initially from the Northern tribe of Nga Puhi yet inter tribal marriages have meant that todays current king, King Tamati II can identify with all major tribes in the country. During the late 1800's the Aotearoan government began to allow much greater access to the country by European (mainly British) colonists. Many colonists came from Australia and Britain but small numbers of Indian families also came to Aotearoa from British India. During WWI, Aotearoa sent thousands of troops to Europe to fight with the United Kingdom. The most significant battle happened at Gallipoli from 1914 to 1915 where hundreds of Aotearoan troops died. After the war, Aotearoa began to develop heavily and the main cities of Kororareka, Tauranga, Tamaki, Dunedin, and Wellington began to heavily increase in size.
This development and prosperity was significantly impacted by the Great Depression where small famines struck the nation due to a heavily increasing birth rate especially among Maori. Once WWII came around Aotearoa again sent troops to fight in both Europe and the Pacific where the threat of Japanese invasion was very real. After WWII, discussions about full independence from the UK began to be discussed as neighbouring Australia was now fully independent. Post war immigration from Europe also increased and the white population was now at 35%. The protectorate of the Kingdom of Aotearoa was revoked in 1950 and Aotearoa became fully independent, turning itself to the United States rather than Europe. Although Aotearoa was a very developed country on par with neighbouring Australia,and that Aotearoa was economically tied to the United States, the government decided to remain officially neutral throughout the Cold War, becoming a Third World, Non-Aligned nation. The 1990's and 2000's brought Aotearoa billions of dollars worth of foreign investment and Kororareka became an international business hub. Major electronic and automotive firms were founded and this increased the living standards for thousands of Aotearoans providing good jobs and increasing the wealth and living standards of the country. Today, Aotearoa is economically tied with Australia, the United States, China, and the Pacific Islands. The current monarch is Queen Anahera. She is related all major tribes in Aotearoa as well as the British royal family, being a descendant of Victoria she is also in the line of succession to the British throne. Premier James Dawson is credited with the quick recovery of the economy from the Great Recession of 2008 and so far the second half of the 2010's is looking good for the Kingdom of Aotearoa.
I love it Finnz !Always been interested in New Zealand and this is an excellent time line .Not to long ,not to short .And not some Wank were the nation single handedly holds off the Japanese in WWII and expands post war into Oceania .
I myself have a time line were New Zealand under the name Attoria is a grand Duchy under the Kingdom of Alaska .
Is Aotearoa the way the islands name is spelled ?And how do you pronounce it ?
Another question .You seem to know quite a bit about the Maori language .How much do you know and would you be willing to help me on some words for my time line ?
I myself have a time line were New Zealand under the name Attoria is a grand Duchy under the Kingdom of Alaska .
Is Aotearoa the way the islands name is spelled ?And how do you pronounce it ?
Another question .You seem to know quite a bit about the Maori language .How much do you know and would you be willing to help me on some words for my time line ?
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I like it too, except the Gallipoli campaign was actually 1915-16. Does Aoteroa cover all of modern New Zealand?
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Kingdom of Novgorod
Population of 45 million
Capital is Novgorod
Constitutional Monarchy
After victory over the Swedes at the Neva in 1240, and over the Livonians at Lake Peipus in 1242, the young Prince of Novgorod, Alexander Nevsky, was elected king. This was unprecedented in Novgorod's history, but proved to be a wise decision. (This POD is very early, so it doesn't really fit into 'After 1900,' but I liked the idea. I might make a separate TL later). Under his aggressive leadership southern Finland was taken, and Sweden was reduced in power thanks to his alliance with Norway. Estonia was captured shortly before his death in 1263. His son Vasily inherited the throne of Novgorod.
Novgorod superseded Muscovy due to its significantly better trade links, and the region was annexed peacefully in the 1350s. The Muslim Khanate of the Golden Horde remained a reasonably friendly neighbour to the south-east. For the next 200 years Novgorod was largely peaceful, although expansion north-eastwards continued slowly. The monarchy was strong, but not too oppressive and the Wars of Religion after the Reformation had no damaging effects due to the reasonable freedom and loyalty of the country's citizens, most of whom remained Orthodox. However in 1585 Poland-Lithuania, which had grown significantly at the expense of the minor rulers in the Ukraine, invaded Novgorod. The resulting war was initially devastating, but a loose coalition of Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden and Polovtsy finally destroyed most of the invading force north of Kiev in 1588. Kiev-Polovtsy, later becoming simply Ukraine, became the major power in southern Russia, while Novgorod made its first gains in the west since the 1200s. Poland-Lithuania survived, expanding into Latvia and destroying the final remnants of the Livonian Order.
Meanwhile the King's Arctic Exploration Company was founded in 1678 by Alexander IV. One of its most famous members, Vitus Bering, went on to discover and chart the Bering Strait in 1728. Novgorod recognised the economic potential of links with North America, and the first permanent trading post was set up in 1739. Alaska officially became an overseas territory of Novgorod in 1770. Novgorod took part in the Seven Year's War (1756-63) alongside its allies, Britain and Brandenburg, against France, Austria and Spain. Novgorod secured Alaska, and gained Hawaii and modern day Washington and Oregon, but these two later rebelled and became independent in 1816. In Europe its armies marched through Ukraine (friendly but neutral) and attacked eastern Austria.
Despite its actions being successful, victory had unintended consequences for Novgorod. Austria collapsed in 1770, with German speaking territories being annexed by Brandenburg, Hungary becoming independent, and Ottoman gains in the south. Novgorod was left vulnerable with many potential enemies. The Ottomans frequently raided its ally Ukraine, and minor conflicts continued for almost a century. The American War of Independence also involved Novgorod, which intervened in order to maintain good relations with Britain. The colonists were still successful, but a conference at the end of the war divided the rest of the continent between Britain, Novgorod and Spain. A central buffer zone was left to the Native Americans.
In 1789 the French revolution took place, but would lead to Napoleon's defeat and exile in 1814. Novgorod refused to join the Continental System and stop trading with Britain, but the French invasion of 1812 was a disaster, most of the force dying during the retreat, after the Battle of Pskov, not far from Novgorod City itself. However, Novgorod did not take part in the fight to liberate central Europe in 1813-14, fearing that a decisive victory for the Coalition would make Brandenburg the dominant power, with its pan-Germanic ambitions. This created lasting resentment in Berlin.
Brandenburg's aggression led to the successful invasion of Poland in 1839, and much of Poland's territory was lost. The Franco-Brandenburg War of 1859 resulted in a short occupation of Paris by Brandenburger troops, and increased influence in newly unified Italy. The following year a German nation was formally founded, and the other Great Powers began to form secret alliances. In 1864 Germany attacked Denmark to capture Schleswig-Holstein. Novgorod activated its old alliance with Denmark-Norway, and the First World War began. By 1865 it pitted Germany, Italy, Hungary and the Ottoman Empire against Novgorod, Ukraine, Britain, France, Denmark-Norway and Poland. Iberia, Sweden, Switzerland, Benelux and the Balkans stayed neutral
Population of 45 million
Capital is Novgorod
Constitutional Monarchy
After victory over the Swedes at the Neva in 1240, and over the Livonians at Lake Peipus in 1242, the young Prince of Novgorod, Alexander Nevsky, was elected king. This was unprecedented in Novgorod's history, but proved to be a wise decision. (This POD is very early, so it doesn't really fit into 'After 1900,' but I liked the idea. I might make a separate TL later). Under his aggressive leadership southern Finland was taken, and Sweden was reduced in power thanks to his alliance with Norway. Estonia was captured shortly before his death in 1263. His son Vasily inherited the throne of Novgorod.
Novgorod superseded Muscovy due to its significantly better trade links, and the region was annexed peacefully in the 1350s. The Muslim Khanate of the Golden Horde remained a reasonably friendly neighbour to the south-east. For the next 200 years Novgorod was largely peaceful, although expansion north-eastwards continued slowly. The monarchy was strong, but not too oppressive and the Wars of Religion after the Reformation had no damaging effects due to the reasonable freedom and loyalty of the country's citizens, most of whom remained Orthodox. However in 1585 Poland-Lithuania, which had grown significantly at the expense of the minor rulers in the Ukraine, invaded Novgorod. The resulting war was initially devastating, but a loose coalition of Novgorod, Brandenburg, Sweden and Polovtsy finally destroyed most of the invading force north of Kiev in 1588. Kiev-Polovtsy, later becoming simply Ukraine, became the major power in southern Russia, while Novgorod made its first gains in the west since the 1200s. Poland-Lithuania survived, expanding into Latvia and destroying the final remnants of the Livonian Order.
Meanwhile the King's Arctic Exploration Company was founded in 1678 by Alexander IV. One of its most famous members, Vitus Bering, went on to discover and chart the Bering Strait in 1728. Novgorod recognised the economic potential of links with North America, and the first permanent trading post was set up in 1739. Alaska officially became an overseas territory of Novgorod in 1770. Novgorod took part in the Seven Year's War (1756-63) alongside its allies, Britain and Brandenburg, against France, Austria and Spain. Novgorod secured Alaska, and gained Hawaii and modern day Washington and Oregon, but these two later rebelled and became independent in 1816. In Europe its armies marched through Ukraine (friendly but neutral) and attacked eastern Austria.
Despite its actions being successful, victory had unintended consequences for Novgorod. Austria collapsed in 1770, with German speaking territories being annexed by Brandenburg, Hungary becoming independent, and Ottoman gains in the south. Novgorod was left vulnerable with many potential enemies. The Ottomans frequently raided its ally Ukraine, and minor conflicts continued for almost a century. The American War of Independence also involved Novgorod, which intervened in order to maintain good relations with Britain. The colonists were still successful, but a conference at the end of the war divided the rest of the continent between Britain, Novgorod and Spain. A central buffer zone was left to the Native Americans.
In 1789 the French revolution took place, but would lead to Napoleon's defeat and exile in 1814. Novgorod refused to join the Continental System and stop trading with Britain, but the French invasion of 1812 was a disaster, most of the force dying during the retreat, after the Battle of Pskov, not far from Novgorod City itself. However, Novgorod did not take part in the fight to liberate central Europe in 1813-14, fearing that a decisive victory for the Coalition would make Brandenburg the dominant power, with its pan-Germanic ambitions. This created lasting resentment in Berlin.
Brandenburg's aggression led to the successful invasion of Poland in 1839, and much of Poland's territory was lost. The Franco-Brandenburg War of 1859 resulted in a short occupation of Paris by Brandenburger troops, and increased influence in newly unified Italy. The following year a German nation was formally founded, and the other Great Powers began to form secret alliances. In 1864 Germany attacked Denmark to capture Schleswig-Holstein. Novgorod activated its old alliance with Denmark-Norway, and the First World War began. By 1865 it pitted Germany, Italy, Hungary and the Ottoman Empire against Novgorod, Ukraine, Britain, France, Denmark-Norway and Poland. Iberia, Sweden, Switzerland, Benelux and the Balkans stayed neutral
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