DBWI: WI Plan Orange was never implemented by the Arpartheid regime?

Richard Osborne

Banned
The implementation of Plan Orange to destroy, expel, or drastically reduce the black population of SA is considered a tragedy on par with the Holocaust today. Now of course the plan failed and resulted in the fragmentation of South Africa into Namibia, Zululand, Azania, The Cape Republic, and the infamous WMD shaking white supremacist state of Voerstaatt. So what would be the effects of no Plan Orange? Maybe the number of Nukes used in history would stay at 2 without the addition of the 3 used in the Civil War. White Supremacist Terrorism would probably be lower do to no funding from the Boers. Also how do you prevent Plan Orange? Also please don't let this turn into a "who is worse Azania or Voerstaatt?" Debate. We're all sick of those.
 
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Napoleon Forever

Napoleon Forever

"Debate"?!! One literally has a Hitler statue in the middle of every city by law and the other is demonized simply for being willing to fight against colonialism. I swear ever since Azania gave nuclear technology to Venezuela the perception of them in the west has become absolutely hysterical but I guess thats to be expected from the "better dead than red" crowd. /eyeroll
 
SealTheRealDeal

SealTheRealDeal

Would "no 1909 South Africa Act" suffice?

I fail to see how any reading of SA's tumultuous history can yield any conclusion other than that its creation was a mistake.
 

Richard Osborne

Banned
Nicholas Hynds said:
"Debate"?!! One literally has a Hitler statue in the middle of every city by law and the other is demonized simply for being willing to fight against colonialism. I swear ever since Azania gave nuclear technology to Venezuela the perception of them in the west has become absolutely hysterical but I guess thats to be expected from the "better dead than red" crowd. /eyeroll
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Yeah Azania is pretty flagrant in hating neo-colonialism and "cultural imperialism" and the fact that they've established functional communism by running the economy via co-ops and dividing the land among former tenants in mutual support rather than state collectivism and being open to regulated foreign (albeit mostly with non western and far away countries) earns them the ire of the right. Of course their aggressive foreign policy hurts their reputation too what with supporting Venezuela, Cuba, Yucatan, Chiapas, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Somalia, Biafra, and the new Liberian regime. At least their environmentalist although the funding of deep-greener anarchist eco-terrorist in Columbia and Brazil is a little much.
 
Kalga

Kalga

Quintuplicate said:
I hate Voerstaatt as much as the next guy, but why would they lionize a guy their ancestors fought and died against?
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Same reason how Germans end up claiming to be the heirs of the Roman empire (HRE), or wehraboos in general, because after a while some people acquired "spiritual " fathers: figures and entities that they feel more kinship to rather than their own heritage.
 
SealTheRealDeal

SealTheRealDeal

Quintuplicate said:
I hate Voerstaatt as much as the next guy, but why would they lionize a guy their ancestors fought and died against?
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Look at South Africa's enlistment figures in the World Wars. Afrikaner boycotts and conscription bills that applied only to the Eurocanners. Hitler only killed the hated Anglo and a few collaborationist Afrikaners, and in the process weakened the hated British enough that they could say nothing when South Africa burned the royal portraits and left the commonwealth.

Hell just take a good long list of the government officials assassinated by SA's intelligence branch, it's long and predominantly Anglo.
 

Richard Osborne

Banned
Quintuplicate said:
I hate Voerstaatt as much as the next guy, but why would they lionize a guy their ancestors fought and died against?
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It makes as much sense as American Neo-Nazis. And the American "Alt-conservative" movement's love of Voerstaatt despite their hatred of America and public burning of American flags especially after Pres Powell declared them part of the "Axis of Evil" along with Iraq, Iran, Serbia, and NK.
 

InvaderX

Nicholas Hynds said:
"Debate"?!! One literally has a Hitler statue in the middle of every city by law and the other is demonized simply for being willing to fight against colonialism. I swear ever since Azania gave nuclear technology to Venezuela the perception of them in the west has become absolutely hysterical but I guess thats to be expected from the "better dead than red" crowd. /eyeroll
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"Fighting against colonialism" is a mild way of putting "ethnic cleansing." Thousands of white Azanians were driven from their homes or killed, or worse - most of whom had nothing to do with the atrocity that was Plan Orange. All this has merely made the Voerstaatt look more sympathetic to white ex-South Africans, and strengthened their propaganda.

And that's not even mentioning giving nuclear weapons to Venezuela, a state which not so long ago turned guns onto protesters. Nuclear proliferation is bad, mkay?
 

Richard Osborne

Banned
InvaderX said:
"Fighting against colonialism" is a mild way of putting "ethnic cleansing." Thousands of white Azanians were driven from their homes or killed, or worse - most of whom had nothing to do with the atrocity that was Plan Orange. All this has merely made the Voerstaatt look more sympathetic to white ex-South Africans, and strengthened their propaganda.

And that's not even mentioning giving nuclear weapons to Venezuela, a state which not so long ago turned guns onto protesters. Nuclear proliferation is bad, mkay?
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To be fair besides dictatory Venezuela the rest of their allies are democracies after they cut NK off for NK's friendship with Putin. TBF Cuba only became a democracy after Castro Kicked it and the protesters stood the government down and the Army joined them and they surprisingly didn't embrace capitalism and America.
 

Kotka

The Voerstaatt is basicllly Nazi Germany 2.0. C'mon, Israel had to buy the freedom of the South African Jews and some blacks after the sh*t the Voerstaatt did, literally once the Plan was implemented it doomed the whole nation.
Ugh, at least Israel was ashamed enough to never want to deal with these kind of regimes ever again.
 

Richard Osborne

Banned
PatrickMtz said:
The Voerstaatt is basicllly Nazi Germany 2.0. C'mon, Israel had to buy the freedom of the South African Jews and some blacks after the sh*t the Voerstaatt did, literally once the Plan was implemented it doomed the whole nation.
Ugh, at least Israel was ashamed enough to never want to deal with these kind of regimes ever again.
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Then when Israel left the West Bank, Judea came under ultra-orthodox control and cozied up to Voerstaatt. Along with Serbia and Russia they're Voerstaatt's only friends.
 
Napoleon Forever

Napoleon Forever

Richard Osborne said:
Then when Israel left the West Bank, Judea came under ultra-orthodox control and cozied up to Voerstaatt. Along with Serbia and Russia they're Voerstaatt's only friends.
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Maybe in terms of national governments but you'd be surprised how many Voerstaatt apologists there are here in the Netherlands, Naut Drenten's pro Voerstaatt "Dutch Cultural Unity Party" is doing disturbingly well in the polls recently after denouncing the mainstream dutch parties of betraying a dutch speaking nation by agreeing to follow the EU embargo.
 
SealTheRealDeal

SealTheRealDeal

LuckyLuciano said:
ooc:https://medium.com/@mokwuahjoshua/t...nt-to-be-a-communist-style-state-9b916cee95e6
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ooc: A blog without a single citation which spends half its length fellating Che. Great. Anyways, I've read the document in question, and I wouldn't call it's stated objective to be communist, I mean, it outright states that it will encourage private enterprise and rather than destroying class sets social mobility as its goal. Economically speaking it's a real hodge-podge of economic ideas with elements of socialism (work guarantees and redistribution [as a way to disempower corrupting influences]), liberalism (class mobility and equality of opportunity) and even corporatism (class unity and productive capitalism)
 
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