DBWI: US trying to take over Mexican Territories.

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Dolan, Dec 2, 2019.

  1. Dolan Lookin fer Gooby

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    Instead of the OTL Liberation Campaigns against British North America.

    Let's said that instead of the long on-and-off wars in an attempt to Liberate Nova Scotia, Quebec, Oregon, Ontario, etc, the United States of America decided to not provoke the British and focused more on expanding south, aka Taking Tejas and California? 19th Century Mexico is actually a much more fractured and easier enemy than the British Empire, yes?
     
  2. kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    This means more hispanic population in US.
     
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  3. Jackson Lennock Well-Known Member

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    What lands could the US have wanted? In 1819 the border was set in a good spot for it. Colorado River, following the 32nd parallel to the Pecos, then along the Pecos and Continental Divide to the 42nd parallel. Everything beyond that was desert, mountain, and comanche at the time - not very nice.

    After the US annexed the Yucatan Republic, the country soured to the idea of southern expansion. The Caste War convinced most folks that annexing any more land from Mexico would be more trouble than it'd be worth.

    The Northern Wars also kept the US too busy to pick any other fights. The Canadian War (1837), Oregon War (1846), Continental War (1861), Fenian border scuffles (1866), and Red River War (1870) meant the US didn't have much opportunity to look south.

    British North America might be a single country, although I'm not sure how that'd work considering the impossibility of getting west of the great lakes north of the US - hence why it was so easy for the US to grab the area during the Red River War following Assiniboian accession to the union. Plus, the mostly-Irish Acadian Union wasn't all that into the idea of joining the Quebec. Newfoundland also has enjoyed considerable autonomy as British overseas possessions and I don't think they'd be eager to give that up. Ontario was always a bastion of Tory sentiment, even during reconstruction following the Continental War.
     
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  4. M79 Well-Known Member

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    Why bother taking former Mexico? It shattered like glass under Santa Anna with the Rio Grande Republic, Yucatan Federation, Empire of California, Theocracy of Deseret, Sonora Collective, and however you pronounce that neo-Aztec state in former Zacatecas/Jalisca/Sinaloa as well as the leftovers of Mexico itself and each of the Central American nations. South America didn't fare much better though the US did get Cuba, Hispanola, and Puerto Rico in the brief war of 1848. US interests run much of the so-called 'Golden Circle' as de facto states if not outright economic satellites, hell Tejas and California have had annexation movements in the past and California's came within 5% of passing after the moon landing before the rise of La Valle de Silica in the mid/late 1970s.
     
  5. Dolan Lookin fer Gooby

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    Which is exactly why The US is totally uninterested in annexing either IOTL, despite all the annexation to US movement.

    Just look at how all the Wars and conflict Tejas and California fight each others in, and the last Tejas-Californian Border Wall War in 2016 is definitely counted as one of the bloodiest conventional military conflict in 21st century.

    Sure, the annexation societies thought that getting both to join the US will somehow caused both to be at peace with each others and sing Kumbayah together, but the fact is, their people are almost always clawing at each others throat. Just see that every soccer matches between those two nations will always result in brutal fight between their supporters.
     
  6. M79 Well-Known Member

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    Tejas oil and California tech money are attractive, not to mention the Central Valley as a means of year-round fruit and vegetable production and much cheaper Tejano beef.

    For good reason. If you venture out that way, note that Hughes Dam is the tourist trap but Stanford Dam is far more discreetly the better protected of the two - the lake downstream from Vice City supplies water for most of SoCal, Vice City for Deseret, as well as Crockettown and Bowieburg in West Tejas, or 'Arizona' as the locals call it. It's still an impressive Phoenix-like rise of Crockettown out of the ashes of the war - the tech/medical metropolis and retirement hub shines like a metallic plate in the Greater Tejan sun. Only Goodyear and Scottsdale have significant parts of their pre-war structures left standing, but then fighting full-on blazes from firebombings in 115+ degree temperatures...I'm still shocked the Parker Accords avoided war crimes trials.

    Hey at least they're settling it on the pitch instead of the streets. Over a million dead between both sides left few people eager for more bloodshed, especially as Deseret threatened to send 'peacekeepers' in (to annex the southern and western environs of the river and surrounding area for themselves). When Washington made rattlings about 'supporting peace in the West' it made everyone pay attention - and play nice. The Parker Accords, which were already being hammered out, were signed less than a week later at old Site 6 just north of Parker (Tejas) itself.
     
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