DBWI: This "Persian" Empire Existed?

[AltoRegnant]

OTL, the Farsi Plateu has been host to a wide array of powerful civilizations, but few of them ever spread beyond its borders. But, doing some browsing, i found this weird alternate history map of a "Persian Empire," supposedly founded in the collapse of the Medians. The map is supposedly around the 500s BCE. so, how would this empire be developed? who would the persians have to beat up to get it, and could they replace the Lydians of OTL? it seems that the OP thought they could.

Spoiler: Big Pic

personally, i think they'd wind up pretty Baylonified, like the Lydians eventually became themselves, but that's a separate question, isn't it?

Spoiler: OOC: POD

ttl, cyrus simply never arises, while the Medean Empire still goes poof. in contrast, the Lydian Empire, centered around western anatolia, expands into Greece more effectively, and conquers up to the persian gulf and syria.

 

[Hannibal The Bannable]

That is simply ASB.
The Persian empire would definitely fall after 1 or 2 kings

 

[AltoRegnant]

That is simply ASB.
The Persian empire would definitely fall after 1 or 2 kings

More than likely, I suppose. But since greece isn't fully conquered, do you think this might save greek culture from lydia, giving us a better non-Roman look at it?

 

[Atterdag]

The issue with huge land empires has always been that local governors can’t easily be controlled by a central power so far away, unless Persia finds a solution to this - very unlikely mind you, such an empire simply couldn’t last.

 

[lucon50]

^ How could it do so back then?

 

[ahmed1ghoneim]

Well, we weren't witnessing the rise of the Egyptian Empire in Ancient Egypt, Koch, Fares, Sindh, Anatolia and parts of Greece And the east coast of the Arabian Peninsula and Libyan territory and Carthage

 

[AltoRegnant]

Well, we weren't witnessing the rise of the Egyptian Empire in Ancient Egypt, Koch, Fares, Sindh, Anatolia and parts of Greece and the Egyptian Gulf Coast(Persian OTL)



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true, but i think that's more due to butterflies than direct replacement. Egypt only conquered lydia in the 300s BCE

 

[ahmed1ghoneim]

true, but i think that's more due to butterflies than direct replacement. Egypt only conquered lydia in the 300s BCE

Well, this was only part of the first Egyptian wars of Lydia years before the complete invasion under the command of pharaoh Ramses XVI, and here you find that Ramses destroyed the entire culture of Lydia, and there is little left. Ramses committed a massacre as revenge for the death of his grandfather and father in the wars of Egypt-Lydia VIII

 

[ahmed1ghoneim]

Here is another map of Egypt at the beginning of the great expansion

Note: the map is not mine it belongs to someone else from Reddit And if he wants me to delete it, well, I will.

 

[CityOfGreatLordAshur]

Well, we weren't witnessing the rise of the Egyptian Empire in Ancient Egypt, Koch, Fares, Sindh, Anatolia and parts of Greece And the east coast of the Arabian Peninsula and Libyan territory and Carthage

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Is that map accurate? I could have sworn that they had territories in the horn of Aethiopia and the southern Apennine peninsula.

 

[AltoRegnant]

what would be some religious impacts of this? I don't think Egyptian sun worship is gonna spread to the point of Sol becoming the king of the roman imperial pantheon ttl, let alone Julien's monotheistic reforms. current records indicate the archeac romans and pre lydian conquest greeks favored their sky gods. would that continue here?