Just as it says in the title: ¿What would have been the consequences for the Pacific war if Germany had not invaded the Soviet Union in 1941? Would Japan have had more advantages in this scenario, and if so, what would they have been?
Consequences for the Pacific War if Germany does not invade the USSR
- Thread starter Juan de Mariana
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If Hitler still declares war on the US it means that the US cannot win the war in Europe, I don't know what the US would do in that case but they probably would try to gain air superiority and nuke Germany, that wouldn't really change the war in the Pacific.
Probably try to capitulate GB. I think he would still declare war on the US after Pearl Harbour.
If he thinks he's too weak to pursue his life's dream of conquering the western USSR, he'll probably also consider himself too weak to fight the US.
Garrison
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Well its extremely vague, why exactly has Hitler abandoned his all-consuming obsession? Did the Fall of France not happen and the Wehrmacht is bogged down in 1914-17 style warfare in the West? Did Hitler fall out a window and his successor sued for peace? Did the 'Neutrality Patrols' start an all out fight in the Atlantic with the U-Boats and the US is already at war with Germany? Why Hitler didn't invade the USSR is key to figuring out what the situation is in the Pacific and what the Japanese might choose to do.
Stalin has his stroke in 1936 and there are no purges. Somehow Hitler realizes just how strong the red army really is and how many tanks they have and is scared off. I read somewhere Hitler said he might not have invaded if he knew how many tanks the USSR had so have him find out.
We're talking about Hitler, he doesn't follow any logic; him giving up on invading the USSR when the weakness of the Red Army was shown in the Winter War is already too difficult to imagine for me.
I mean, Hitler was indeed deranged but he wasn't stupid or at least he wasn't when not horribly over stressed and on drugs.
The problem is, that war is happening no matter what, if its not in 1941, then either side would start it in 1942.
Japan signed a non-aggression pact with the USSR days before Barbarossa... because they were going south. There is nothing to change that decision in this case, worse, the USSR is free to keep supplying the Chinese.
Well, there were negotiations in 1940 for a German-Soviet alliance (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Axis_talks), so we can suppose those negotiations succeeded and the Soviet Union has become a German ally.
I was thinking that perhaps Japan would have had more access to European resources and that perhaps that would have helped their war effort.
There was a British plan to bomb some Soviet oil fields if that had been done there might have been an alliance until Britain capitulated.
This is the likeliest cause if you ask me. Bonus points if Manstein gets sacked as a result.
If anything, no Barbarossa might make Japan hesitant to initiate the Pacific War.
Garrison
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Well allowing that this fantastically unlikely situation were to come to pass why would there be a Pacific War? The British would forced to make peace and the Japanese can get the resources they want from South East Asia.
You do understand they went to war to get those resources? If they have them there is No Pacific War, just the continuation of the Sino-Japanese War.
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Hitler's peculiar belief system beggars belief from our point of view, but it was a coherent ideology which he followed logically. He followed logic, just one based on a worldview very different from our own.