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Has anyone seen the Mary Beard doc on Caligula? That was quite good, and shone a different light on the man.
Mars was generally viewed in a positive light by the Romans, IIRC.I believe he would have offered sacrifices to one of the Roman "dark gods". Mars, perhaps, as he is associated with war, blood and death.
Pan, perhaps. Or Pluto, god of the underworld?Mars was generally viewed in a positive light by the Romans, IIRC.
Right! I wish I'd thought of her earlier.Surely Hecate fits best
I'd like to peruse that version. Tell me more.There is a version of Dracula where he was originally Judas Iscariot.
Or Justininian and Theodora.A more interesting vampire story, would be about the undead Roman power couple - manipulating from behind the scenes for centuries - Augustus and Livia.
Or Tiberius, cursed with eternal unlife for crucifying the Christ.
20 And some of those who were present with the Emperor, at very late hours of the night presumably, and held conference with him, obviously in the Palace, men whose souls were pure, seemed to see a sort of phantom spirit unfamiliar to them in place of him. 21 For one of these asserted that he would rise suddenly from the imperial throne and walk up and down there (indeed he was never accustomed to remain seated for long), and the head of Justinian would disappear suddenly, but the rest of his body seemed to keep making these same long circuits, while he himself, as if thinking he must have something the matter with his eyesight, stood there for a very long time distressed and perplexed. 22 Later, however, when the head had returned to the body, he thought, to his surprise, that he could fill out that which a moment before had been lacking. 23 And another person said that he stood beside him when he sat and suddenly saw that his face had become like featureless flesh; for neither eyebrows nor eyes were in their proper place, nor did it shew any other means of identification whatsoever; after a time, p153 however, he saw the features of his face return. These things I write although I did not see them myself, but I do so because I have heard the story from those who declare that they saw the occurrences at the time.
24 And they said that a certain monk, very dear to God, being persuaded by those who lived with him in the wilderness, set out to Byzantium in order to plead the cause of the people who lived very near the monastery and were being mistreated and wronged in an unbearable manner; and straightway upon his arrival he received admittance to the Emperor. 25 But when he was about to go into his presence, he stepped over the threshold with one foot, but suddenly recoiled and stepped back. 26 Now the eunuch who was his conductor and the others present besought the man earnestly to go forward, but he, making no answer, but acting like a man who had suffered a stroke, departed thence and went to the room where he was lodged. And when his attendants enquired for what reason he acted thus, they said that he declared outright that he had seen the Lord of the Demons in the Palace sitting on the throne, and he would not care to associate with him or ask anything from him. 27 And how could this man fail to be some wicked demon, he who never had a sufficiency of food or drink or sleep, but taking a taste at haphazard of that which was set before him, walked about the Palace at unseasonable hours of the night, though he was passionately devoted to the joys of Aphrodite?
28 And some of the lovers of Theodora say that when p155 she was on the stage some sort of a demon descended upon them at night and drove them from the room in which they were spending the night with her. And there was a dancing-girl, Macedonia by name, belonging to the Blue Faction in Antioch, a woman who had acquired great influence. 29 For by writing letters to Justinian while he was still administering the empire for Justinus, she without difficulty kept destroying whomsoever she wished among the notable men of the East and causing their property to be confiscated to the Treasury. 30 They said that once this Macedonia, when greeting Theodora as she came from Egypt and Libya, noticed that she was very distressed and vexed over the high-handed treatment to which she had been subjected by Hecebolius,6 and also because she had lost some money on that journey, and so she comforted her greatly and encouraged her by suggesting that Fortune was quite able to become once again for her a purveyor of great wealth. 31 On that occasion, they said, Theodora remarked that in fact a dream had come to her during the night just past and had bidden her to lay aside all anxiety as far as wealth was concerned. 32 For as soon as she should come to Byzantium, she would lie with the Lord of the Demons, and would quite certainly live with him as his married wife, and he would cause her to be mistress of money without limit.
How about Julian the Apostate? Gives his opposition to Christianity another twist. Have him disappear on campaign, rather than killed.I think the "best" Roman emperor to be used as a template for a vampire story would be Elagabalus. Hailing from an Arab family in Syria, he wasn't a proper Roman, didn't respect the traditional Roman Pantheon but instead preferred an obscure mystery cult from his native region, of which he was the high priest. So when he and his mother are about to be murdered by the Praetorian Guard, they summon spirits of the netherworld to grant them a return from Hades to take revenge. which is granted and they return as reincorporated Lemures. Cut to the present day: (1890) Jonathan Harker is sent by his company to the Vilayet of Syria in the Ottoman Empire to negotiate a real estate purchase with an affluent local, who resides in an abandonned ancient temple ...
Byron wrote longer pieces and novels as well, I believeThat would likely have been a poem as opposed to a novel.
He would be even more of a tragic hero antagonist than Vlad. The last true Roman upholding traditional Roman / Greek values before the empire was cast into the darkness of medieval popery, making a deal with Hades to be allowed to return from the netherworld to save the Roman Empire, but, failing to do so, he lives on through the ages in the hopes of one day being able to aid in restoring it, but repulsed by his need to regularly having to imbibe human blood to survive, yet like an opium addict unable to let go of it. When he arrives in modern (late 19th century) London he realises that the Roman Empire has found a worthy successor in the British Empire to take up the torch of enlightenment to elucidate the world, and, as a true stoic, he decides that he can finally die in peace, voluntarily walking into the bright sunlight.How about Julian the Apostate? Gives his opposition to Christianity another twist. Have him disappear on campaign, rather than killed.
Its the plot to Dracula 2000.I'd like to peruse that version. Tell me more.
That doesn't sound badThere is a version of Dracula where he was originally Judas Iscariot.
Caligula was seen as a madman temporarily in charge of the most Enlightened civilisation on earth - decadent, but not dark
What if Bram Stoker had cast the notorious Roman Emperor Caligula, rather than Vlad Dracula, as his bloodthirsty vampire? How would his novel have been different? Would Stoker have actually traveled to Italy to research Caligula's life? Could Caligula have been so bloody and gruesome as to be banned in America, just like James Joyce's Ulysses was? If said novel had been made into a movie by 1931, who would have played the title role? Bela Lugosi? Peter Lorre? Boris Karloff?
Okay, gang. Pretend you're Bram Stoker now.
Well it's not a bad back-story, per se, but I still think it a pity that no Dracula adaptation (none of which I am aware) has kept the bit from the novel about The Count having acquired his sorcerous abilities through education at the Scholomance, an Academy of the Black Arts run by The Devil Himself (Where every graduating class is obliged to run for their lives to boot, with The Devil taking the hindmost as fair payment for his instruction).That doesn't sound bad
Presumably, you're talking about the theory presented by dr. Rainer M. Köppl of the University of Vienna back in 2007/08, brought to English by the English-translation of his historical docudrama Die Vampir Prinzessin, The Vampire Princess. Doing some digging, there is a lot of skepticism raised by this theory, with a noteworthy article coming out last year by Jenni Wiltz, the Girl in the Tiara, which challenges the theory and points out that, with what Köppl himself had presented, Dracula in its original form, as The Un-Dead starring Count Wampyr, was originally going to be set in Styria, Austria, inspired by Sheridan Le Fanu's Carmilla. The fact that they originally shared the same setting was likely was encouraged Bram Stoker to change the location, though the aspect of Transylvania being less frequently traveled to by English people likely helped to maintain some mystique.The problem with this idea would be that too many English had been visiting Italy on the grand tour since the renaissance era. Stoker originally wanted to place the vampire story in Bohemia and with Countess Eleonora von Schwarzenberg (the vampire countess) as a template, but considered the region too frequently travelled by potential readers and thus decided to set it in the less frequented Transsylvania and used Vlad Draculesti as the main antagonist. But one characted from the original idea was kept, Dr. Abraham van Helsing. loosely based on the personal physician of Empress Maria Theresia, Gerard van Swieten, who IRL of course didn't fight vampires, but instead the supersticious belief in them.