Could Bulgaria become a sultanate between 700-850? How would Bulgaria be different from OTL? How would it affect history?
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INB4 all people say Impossible and that they would christianize first..if the Siege of Constantinople of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(674–678) goes the Ummayad way, that Kill the ERE in the middle of an anarchy and open the Balkans, if Bulgars are smart they would convert so they could be the suppliers of slaves and local walis of the region, in your time range is hard, as bulgars already are ERE servants, but if 717 constantinople is won by the ummayds, maybe some Khan or Boyar decide to jump ship and be the one benefit of the Islamic expansion in the region?Could we have possibly get a sultanate between 700-850? How would Bulgaria be different from OTL? How would it affect history?
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It's not that's its imposible just unlikely I mean if we go with the 676 scenario asperukh has bearly arrived maybe the muslims win the atl battle of ongal and no Bulgaria existINB4 all people say Impossible and that they would christianize first..if the Siege of Constantinople of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(674–678) goes the Ummayad way, that Kill the ERE in the middle of an anarchy and open the Balkans, if Bulgars are smart they would convert so they could be the suppliers of slaves and local walis of the region, in your time range is hard, as bulgars already are ERE servants, but if 717 constantinople is won by the ummayds, maybe some Khan or Boyar decide to jump ship and be the one benefit of the Islamic expansion in the region?
Thanks, yeah but i disagree, some boyar or khan would took the advantage once the ERE is gone, if anything we could see orthodox/catholic bulgars and Islamized one balkanizing further the region.@Nivek interesting.
If the Abassid happen at all, all of this butterfly them awaySo any hint of Arabic influence would be a no for them they would only convert only when the abassid caliphate would decline by that point it's more likely they converted to catholicism
If they don't then less so do to the Arab superority complex and the submission part of the uyamed caliphate the only way I see an Islamic Bulgaria is have islam both conquer the EER and the whole of Frankish kingdom wich is really stretching itThanks, yeah but i disagree, some boyar or khan would took the advantage once the ERE is gone, if anything we could see orthodox/catholic bulgars and Islamized one balkanizing further the region.
If the Abassid happen at all, all of this butterfly them away
Yes, but i'm not linguistical expert to figure who would have been@Nivek would they have different names?
They don't the ERE maybe conquered but that also means the Balkans collapse sooner allowing an easy sweep of the bulgarians like the otl@Goldensilver81 how would they get the manpower and resources to do so? That's going to change Europe quite a lot if they managed to pull that off.
@Goldensilver81 how would they get the manpower and resources to do so? That's going to change Europe quite a bit if they managed to pull that off.
I don't think the muslims would ignore the bulgarians pulling of a krum 100 years earlier leaving the bulgarians alone would mean that the caliphate or who ever takes place in constantinople after it collapses would live with constans raids and I can see many attempts to take thasselonica and maybe even constantinople and many arab armies dead on a filed or in a mountain pass.If anything, Muslim besides conquering Hellas...might not push the balkans...the prize of Rome/Italia is wide open and they would push for itA Muslim Constantinople 717 [Talk/TL/Maps]
Europe & Islamic World Frankish Empire Various British and Irish states Duchy of Benevento Roman Empire (Syracuse) Kievan Rus Denmark First Bulgarian Empire Khazar Khanate Sultanate of Konstantiniyya Rostemid Empire and client dynasties (Idrisid, Aghlabid, Hammadid) Emirate of Cordoba Samanid...www.alternatehistory.com
So well, they might put a defensive line in the macedonia, but i think they could keep those at bay.I don't think the muslims would ignore the bulgarians pulling of a krum 100 years earlier leaving the bulgarians alone would mean that the caliphate or who ever takes place in constantinople after it collapses would live with constans raids and I can see many attempts to take thasselonica and maybe even constantinople and many arab armies dead on a filed or in a mountain pass.
So well, they might put a defensive line in the macedonia, but i think they could keep those at bay.
Not that Costly if Done from Constatinople and the thrace mountain range of Rumelia is good enough, Abbasids...umm that depend how the Ummayds Caliphate ends but if the region is under control of the Abbasids..i would think they might not move the capitol from Damacus(if didn't move it before) and focus with the Local Wali to convert/slave enough slaves captured in battleThis is going to be very costly for the Ummayads. How would it affect the Abbasids?