Bicentennial Man: Ford '76 and Beyond

I forget who wrote it but there was a good timeline here where a successful Nazi Germany led to a USA-Germany Cold War and in that timeline Reagan stayed a Democrat and won the Presidency.
I’d read the shit out of that
Oh, that's a nice one.

All in all, a democratic dominated 80's will be a ride in on itself.

Also, with Saudi Arabia increasingly on the edge, I wonder how Iran will intervene. Apparently, during Shah's higpoint in the early 70's Kissinger and Bixon suggested that in the case of a radical takeover in Arabia, Iran would intervene and seize the oilfields in the east.
Thanks!

Thats… definitely an idea. Could definitely be something that attracts Healy’s attention, too, post Saudia 770. An Anglo-American-Iranian intervention in the Ghawar is certainly not something I’ve seen done before
 
A random thought I had while considering the potential Carey presidency. It's going to be interesting to how he handles the Supreme Court. History tells us that Stevens and Rehnquist will stick around, and Hills has only just joined recently so she won't be leaving in this decade. The remainder of the Warren Court all retired around the same period in the 90's which indicates to me that potentially they may have left earlier had they a Democrat or someone sufficiently progressive enough to replace them (Except Byron White, he seems to have retired when he felt like it), so it's possible that some of the ailing members like Brennan or Marshall might quit earlier.... I'm spitballing here.

But that leaves us with the two that did retire in Reagan's second term. Powell was 80 when he retired but he also lived another decade afterwards. He was something of a centrist so him staying in office might not be the worst thing in the world. Burger might have been inspired by his decision to mark the centennial year but it could be argued he felt comfortable leaving with Reagan in office?

There is no thesis or idea, I'm just speculating into the void.
 
The Brooklyn Boxer vs. Hollywood Ron

The Democrats emerged out of their convention unified and optimistic, even if there were grumblings from some corners of the party that it had been a little too "New York-y" for Middle America. It was widely agreed in all corners of American politics that the Democrats most certainly had the wind in their sails: the GOP had held the White House for twelve tumultuous years that included the end of the Vietnam War, Watergate, the controversial Ohio recount, and now the Panama Crisis, and despite occasional pockets of improving employment numbers and GDP growth they had presided over a decade of oil shocks, stubbornly high inflation, factory closures and now, at the end, the worst economic contraction since the Great Depression. To the average Democrat, the Republicans had governed poorly first under the shady Nixon and the hapless Ford - now they seemed ready to foist upon the United States an extremist cowboy in Reagan. Many partisans, in particular the campaign operatives who had in their youth come up under Eugene McCarthy or George McGovern and powered the Watergate Baby landslides of 1974, the case made itself.

Carey's camp strongly disagreed, and it was perhaps the greatest mark of the difference between the Old Left, New Dealer wing of the party and the ascendant New Left, college-educated apparatchik wing. Carey could vividly recall Reagan defeated an incumbent two-term Governor in 1966 on a campaign of backlash to the cultural excesses of the 1960s and how he had nearly toppled a sitting President of his own party four short years earlier, long before the public and the Republican base had aggressively turned against Ford. Winning a fourth term in the White House, especially when it was an open seat, was no easy task, but Reagan was not to be underestimated. His skepticism of some advisors suggesting he run on "Reagan's radicalism" was borne out with the Reagan camp's hard pivot to a softer, more optimistic tone out of the convention, playing on the Californian's silver screen charisma, and their nomination of a respected female foreign-policy wonk in Anne Armstrong as Reagan's VP choice, hoping that Armstrong's domestic ambiguity would avoid difficult questions on the issues of the day. Carey anticipated a deluge of aggressive campaigning and negative ads about "New York values" and "tax and spend liberals" against him to appeal to culturally conservative working-class voters, and if Reagan was going to attack his strengths - that is, the rebound of New York - then he was going to do the same.

Much of Reagan's political appeal had always been built on his movie star looks and movie star charisma. Though he was hardly a Cary Grant or Humphrey Bogart, much of America had still grown up watching Reagan's movies and he was a cultural icon for a broad swath of America for his career in Hollywood as much as he was a major leader of the New Right for his conservatism. The Brooklyn brain trust was skeptical that attacking the latter would do much good; Reagan was running as an anti-establishment outsider pitching his appeal entirely on having first conquered the old, tired Nixon-Ford establishment and gunning for the creaky New Deal establishment next. No, the way to hit Reagan was to attack his appeal as a movie star.

Historians of the 1980 campaign are not sure exactly who in the Carey camp coined the terms "the Brooklyn Boxer" and "Hollywood Ron," but whoever it was scored a major PR coup. The first term told the story about Carey that the campaign wanted to tell - a gruff, Irish-American who had been an amateur boxer in his youth; a war hero; a tough sunofabitch who "beat" the issues facing America's greatest city and saved it from bankruptcy and ruin. This was not a hippie-fueled McGovern or a lecturing moral scold like Carter - this was your father's kind of Democrat, a hard-edged union man who fights for what's right and isn't afraid to sock somebody in the mouth to do it. The "Brooklyn Boxer" campaign persona also served to try to paper over media aghastness at what were seen as below-the-belt attacks on Reagan's age and competency for office - if Reagan hadn't expected to be hit, repeatedly, he shouldn't have stepped in the ring. Pollster Pat Caddell suggested in later years that the aggressiveness of the Carey campaign probably wouldn't have worked against anybody else to the same effect and probably turned off more than a few gettable liberal and moderate voters, but "Hollywood Ron" was the left hook to the "Brooklyn Boxer" right.

"Hollywood Ron" was not Ronald Reagan, a John Wayne stand-in who would fix all of America's problems; he was a slick, empty actor, all shine and no substance. A Democrat attacking a Republican for being too associated with Hollywood was, and still is, a strange phenomenon, considering the film industry's liberal reputation then and now, but Carey leaned into it. The Carey campaign was relying heavily on making the electorate see Reagan as an unserious old man out of his element on the big stage, a B-movie actor who failed upwards and could not be trusted as anything other than sleazy liar who was too good on TV. On policy, meanwhile, the Democratic campaigns kept it simple - rather than attack Reagan's policies as too extreme, which Carey thought would fall flat with a very angry electorate open to drastic change, they instead simply reminded voters, over and over and over again, of all the things they disliked about the Republicans over the last twelve years, and presented them with a simple alternative, best encapsulated in Carey's famous campaign ad that played various scenes of the debacles of the 1970s and closed with the text: "Had Enough? Vote Carey."
Shades of Fetterman vs Oz in this update
 
The Brooklyn Boxer vs. Hollywood Ron

The Democrats emerged out of their convention unified and optimistic, even if there were grumblings from some corners of the party that it had been a little too "New York-y" for Middle America. It was widely agreed in all corners of American politics that the Democrats most certainly had the wind in their sails: the GOP had held the White House for twelve tumultuous years that included the end of the Vietnam War, Watergate, the controversial Ohio recount, and now the Panama Crisis, and despite occasional pockets of improving employment numbers and GDP growth they had presided over a decade of oil shocks, stubbornly high inflation, factory closures and now, at the end, the worst economic contraction since the Great Depression. To the average Democrat, the Republicans had governed poorly first under the shady Nixon and the hapless Ford - now they seemed ready to foist upon the United States an extremist cowboy in Reagan. Many partisans, in particular the campaign operatives who had in their youth come up under Eugene McCarthy or George McGovern and powered the Watergate Baby landslides of 1974, the case made itself.

Carey's camp strongly disagreed, and it was perhaps the greatest mark of the difference between the Old Left, New Dealer wing of the party and the ascendant New Left, college-educated apparatchik wing. Carey could vividly recall Reagan defeated an incumbent two-term Governor in 1966 on a campaign of backlash to the cultural excesses of the 1960s and how he had nearly toppled a sitting President of his own party four short years earlier, long before the public and the Republican base had aggressively turned against Ford. Winning a fourth term in the White House, especially when it was an open seat, was no easy task, but Reagan was not to be underestimated. His skepticism of some advisors suggesting he run on "Reagan's radicalism" was borne out with the Reagan camp's hard pivot to a softer, more optimistic tone out of the convention, playing on the Californian's silver screen charisma, and their nomination of a respected female foreign-policy wonk in Anne Armstrong as Reagan's VP choice, hoping that Armstrong's domestic ambiguity would avoid difficult questions on the issues of the day. Carey anticipated a deluge of aggressive campaigning and negative ads about "New York values" and "tax and spend liberals" against him to appeal to culturally conservative working-class voters, and if Reagan was going to attack his strengths - that is, the rebound of New York - then he was going to do the same.

Much of Reagan's political appeal had always been built on his movie star looks and movie star charisma. Though he was hardly a Cary Grant or Humphrey Bogart, much of America had still grown up watching Reagan's movies and he was a cultural icon for a broad swath of America for his career in Hollywood as much as he was a major leader of the New Right for his conservatism. The Brooklyn brain trust was skeptical that attacking the latter would do much good; Reagan was running as an anti-establishment outsider pitching his appeal entirely on having first conquered the old, tired Nixon-Ford establishment and gunning for the creaky New Deal establishment next. No, the way to hit Reagan was to attack his appeal as a movie star.

Historians of the 1980 campaign are not sure exactly who in the Carey camp coined the terms "the Brooklyn Boxer" and "Hollywood Ron," but whoever it was scored a major PR coup. The first term told the story about Carey that the campaign wanted to tell - a gruff, Irish-American who had been an amateur boxer in his youth; a war hero; a tough sunofabitch who "beat" the issues facing America's greatest city and saved it from bankruptcy and ruin. This was not a hippie-fueled McGovern or a lecturing moral scold like Carter - this was your father's kind of Democrat, a hard-edged union man who fights for what's right and isn't afraid to sock somebody in the mouth to do it. The "Brooklyn Boxer" campaign persona also served to try to paper over media aghastness at what were seen as below-the-belt attacks on Reagan's age and competency for office - if Reagan hadn't expected to be hit, repeatedly, he shouldn't have stepped in the ring. Pollster Pat Caddell suggested in later years that the aggressiveness of the Carey campaign probably wouldn't have worked against anybody else to the same effect and probably turned off more than a few gettable liberal and moderate voters, but "Hollywood Ron" was the left hook to the "Brooklyn Boxer" right.

"Hollywood Ron" was not Ronald Reagan, a John Wayne stand-in who would fix all of America's problems; he was a slick, empty actor, all shine and no substance. A Democrat attacking a Republican for being too associated with Hollywood was, and still is, a strange phenomenon, considering the film industry's liberal reputation then and now, but Carey leaned into it. The Carey campaign was relying heavily on making the electorate see Reagan as an unserious old man out of his element on the big stage, a B-movie actor who failed upwards and could not be trusted as anything other than sleazy liar who was too good on TV. On policy, meanwhile, the Democratic campaigns kept it simple - rather than attack Reagan's policies as too extreme, which Carey thought would fall flat with a very angry electorate open to drastic change, they instead simply reminded voters, over and over and over again, of all the things they disliked about the Republicans over the last twelve years, and presented them with a simple alternative, best encapsulated in Carey's famous campaign ad that played various scenes of the debacles of the 1970s and closed with the text: "Had Enough? Vote Carey."
Great title. I like Carey being cautious about Reagan and not underestimating him. Glad Carey is being more aggressive too. There are all kinds of things to attack Reagan on and use against him effective. Definitely shaping up to be one hell of a election!
 
The Brooklyn Boxer vs. Hollywood Ron

The Democrats emerged out of their convention unified and optimistic, even if there were grumblings from some corners of the party that it had been a little too "New York-y" for Middle America. It was widely agreed in all corners of American politics that the Democrats most certainly had the wind in their sails: the GOP had held the White House for twelve tumultuous years that included the end of the Vietnam War, Watergate, the controversial Ohio recount, and now the Panama Crisis, and despite occasional pockets of improving employment numbers and GDP growth they had presided over a decade of oil shocks, stubbornly high inflation, factory closures and now, at the end, the worst economic contraction since the Great Depression. To the average Democrat, the Republicans had governed poorly first under the shady Nixon and the hapless Ford - now they seemed ready to foist upon the United States an extremist cowboy in Reagan. Many partisans, in particular the campaign operatives who had in their youth come up under Eugene McCarthy or George McGovern and powered the Watergate Baby landslides of 1974, the case made itself.

Carey's camp strongly disagreed, and it was perhaps the greatest mark of the difference between the Old Left, New Dealer wing of the party and the ascendant New Left, college-educated apparatchik wing. Carey could vividly recall Reagan defeated an incumbent two-term Governor in 1966 on a campaign of backlash to the cultural excesses of the 1960s and how he had nearly toppled a sitting President of his own party four short years earlier, long before the public and the Republican base had aggressively turned against Ford. Winning a fourth term in the White House, especially when it was an open seat, was no easy task, but Reagan was not to be underestimated. His skepticism of some advisors suggesting he run on "Reagan's radicalism" was borne out with the Reagan camp's hard pivot to a softer, more optimistic tone out of the convention, playing on the Californian's silver screen charisma, and their nomination of a respected female foreign-policy wonk in Anne Armstrong as Reagan's VP choice, hoping that Armstrong's domestic ambiguity would avoid difficult questions on the issues of the day. Carey anticipated a deluge of aggressive campaigning and negative ads about "New York values" and "tax and spend liberals" against him to appeal to culturally conservative working-class voters, and if Reagan was going to attack his strengths - that is, the rebound of New York - then he was going to do the same.

Much of Reagan's political appeal had always been built on his movie star looks and movie star charisma. Though he was hardly a Cary Grant or Humphrey Bogart, much of America had still grown up watching Reagan's movies and he was a cultural icon for a broad swath of America for his career in Hollywood as much as he was a major leader of the New Right for his conservatism. The Brooklyn brain trust was skeptical that attacking the latter would do much good; Reagan was running as an anti-establishment outsider pitching his appeal entirely on having first conquered the old, tired Nixon-Ford establishment and gunning for the creaky New Deal establishment next. No, the way to hit Reagan was to attack his appeal as a movie star.

Historians of the 1980 campaign are not sure exactly who in the Carey camp coined the terms "the Brooklyn Boxer" and "Hollywood Ron," but whoever it was scored a major PR coup. The first term told the story about Carey that the campaign wanted to tell - a gruff, Irish-American who had been an amateur boxer in his youth; a war hero; a tough sunofabitch who "beat" the issues facing America's greatest city and saved it from bankruptcy and ruin. This was not a hippie-fueled McGovern or a lecturing moral scold like Carter - this was your father's kind of Democrat, a hard-edged union man who fights for what's right and isn't afraid to sock somebody in the mouth to do it. The "Brooklyn Boxer" campaign persona also served to try to paper over media aghastness at what were seen as below-the-belt attacks on Reagan's age and competency for office - if Reagan hadn't expected to be hit, repeatedly, he shouldn't have stepped in the ring. Pollster Pat Caddell suggested in later years that the aggressiveness of the Carey campaign probably wouldn't have worked against anybody else to the same effect and probably turned off more than a few gettable liberal and moderate voters, but "Hollywood Ron" was the left hook to the "Brooklyn Boxer" right.

"Hollywood Ron" was not Ronald Reagan, a John Wayne stand-in who would fix all of America's problems; he was a slick, empty actor, all shine and no substance. A Democrat attacking a Republican for being too associated with Hollywood was, and still is, a strange phenomenon, considering the film industry's liberal reputation then and now, but Carey leaned into it. The Carey campaign was relying heavily on making the electorate see Reagan as an unserious old man out of his element on the big stage, a B-movie actor who failed upwards and could not be trusted as anything other than sleazy liar who was too good on TV. On policy, meanwhile, the Democratic campaigns kept it simple - rather than attack Reagan's policies as too extreme, which Carey thought would fall flat with a very angry electorate open to drastic change, they instead simply reminded voters, over and over and over again, of all the things they disliked about the Republicans over the last twelve years, and presented them with a simple alternative, best encapsulated in Carey's famous campaign ad that played various scenes of the debacles of the 1970s and closed with the text: "Had Enough? Vote Carey."
Carey should also attack especially hard on bread-and-butter stuffs like inflation.

The closing is excellent, just like "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
 
Yeah, I think that it's actually a safer bet for Carey to, instead of running on Reagan being an extremist, trying to tie him to Nixon-Ford by talking about "12 years in power". Every time the Conservatives get a new Prime Minister in the UK, they always try the "fresh start" trick, and Labour is finally starting to say "no, 12 years in power". It's good that Carey is doing the same thing here.
 
I never expected to see this showdown turning into Carey patting Reagan on the head, asking an ageing B movie actor to sit the hell down. What. A. Beast Carey is. But it's really amusing indeed...

As always @KingSweden24 , can't wait for more of your updates!

Any The New Campaign Trail fans here? Damn, wish someone could make a mod out of this. Carey vs Reagan 1980
 
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Beat the Moral majoritys fucking teeth in
Paul Weyrich and Jerry Falwell are probably going to exhaust all their political capital supporting Reagan. I’m sure they have probably been very critical of Ford the last four years so after Reagan loses I’d think the bridges between them and the Republican Party will be fully burned
 
Carey should also attack especially hard on bread-and-butter stuffs like inflation.

The closing is excellent, just like "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"
That was the exact inspiration!
Yeah, I think that it's actually a safer bet for Carey to, instead of running on Reagan being an extremist, trying to tie him to Nixon-Ford by talking about "12 years in power". Every time the Conservatives get a new Prime Minister in the UK, they always try the "fresh start" trick, and Labour is finally starting to say "no, 12 years in power". It's good that Carey is doing the same thing here.
Yeah, the Goldwater playbook worked very well once but there’s a lot of reasons why it didn’t really stick to Reagan, and Carey has a more straightforward case to make than that.
A random thought I had while considering the potential Carey presidency. It's going to be interesting to how he handles the Supreme Court. History tells us that Stevens and Rehnquist will stick around, and Hills has only just joined recently so she won't be leaving in this decade. The remainder of the Warren Court all retired around the same period in the 90's which indicates to me that potentially they may have left earlier had they a Democrat or someone sufficiently progressive enough to replace them (Except Byron White, he seems to have retired when he felt like it), so it's possible that some of the ailing members like Brennan or Marshall might quit earlier.... I'm spitballing here.

But that leaves us with the two that did retire in Reagan's second term. Powell was 80 when he retired but he also lived another decade afterwards. He was something of a centrist so him staying in office might not be the worst thing in the world. Burger might have been inspired by his decision to mark the centennial year but it could be argued he felt comfortable leaving with Reagan in office?

There is no thesis or idea, I'm just speculating into the void.
This is a good question. My thinking is that Burger and Powell probably try to wait if they can, at least the latter. Brennan and Marshall would definitely retire earlier and White could possibly be persuaded if he has some control over his successor, perhaps.
 
Paul Weyrich and Jerry Falwell are probably going to exhaust all their political capital supporting Reagan. I’m sure they have probably been very critical of Ford the last four years so after Reagan loses I’d think the bridges between them and the Republican Party will be fully burned
Falwell definitely. Weyrich and Schlafly probably have somewhat more staying power
 
I wonder if Lee Atwater will adjust his strategical outlook or double down
Well, here Atwater was Team Connally both for the SC primaries and then after. He wouldn’t necessarily join the Reagan campaign after the primary season was over, so not sure exactly how that would go
 
Well, here Atwater was Team Connally both for the SC primaries and then after. He wouldn’t necessarily join the Reagan campaign after the primary season was over, so not sure exactly how that would go
Yeah I didn’t mean for Reagan’s campaign but more from an overall philosophical sense. Connally I’m not sure how the fallout of the 1980 election will affect him. On one hand I could see him having sorbing the vaccume that both Ford and Reagan leave behind in the Republican Party. But on the other hand although he definitely can’t jump ship back to the democrats the people under him in his Texas political machine certainly can if they are afraid of getting left in the dust in the near future. Post 1982 funding could run dry for him if it looks like Carey is in good position for 1984
 
Paul Weyrich and Jerry Falwell are probably going to exhaust all their political capital supporting Reagan. I’m sure they have probably been very critical of Ford the last four years so after Reagan loses I’d think the bridges between them and the Republican Party will be fully burned
Yeah, the christian right's political path in this tl is irrelevance. Sure, they have a pouty third party in the 80s and 90s that mostly serves to turn democrat victories into landslides by taking away GOP votes and by now something equivelant to libertarans/greens in vote total but well that's it. You wouldn't see their political-cultural successes of OTL post-1977, or the resulting democrat creation of their own moralist faction to counter them in the form of ah certain prude feminists/health nazis/soccer mom types in response.
 
Yeah, the christian right's political path in this tl is irrelevance. Sure, they have a pouty third party in the 80s and 90s that mostly serves to turn democrat victories into landslides by taking away GOP votes and by now something equivelant to libertarans/greens in vote total but well that's it. You wouldn't see their political-cultural successes of OTL post-1977, or the resulting democrat creation of their own moralist faction to counter them in the form of ah certain prude feminists/health nazis/soccer mom types in response.
Oof, without the backing of a political party the televangelist scandals of the late 80s might be enough to do them in.
 
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