Beneath the Crimson Banner: A Timeline

I hope things go well for you in these circumstances.
As much as I love your writing please take your time and don't feel under pressure.
Your Health and wellbeing come first.

I can't get section(s) done in all likelihood, probably for the remainder of spring semester.

Won't be able to use electronics where I'm headed ... :(

Also probably have to send library books back to university because I'm withdrawing from all of my courses.
 
Got a ton of sources.

Getting more. Just have to get card for library to keep books. Doing that today.

Honestly, in RL I've been getting intensive treatment for OCD and anxiety so that is why I haven't been able to do any updates thus far.

Had to withdraw from university - going back next semester though.

So I'll do note taking as soon as possible followed by the writing and editing - I'll post when I feel confident that the finished product is good.

I'll be covering the Hungarian Soviet Republic, the Kronstadt naval uprising, interwar France followed by the Red Scare-era 1920s United States
 
Can't wait to read the next update!

I got some more sources on Hungary 'cause I wanted as much information as possible; that includes a book written by a communist historian in the Hungarian People's Republic - its nice to see Marxist language not put exclusively in quotes.:)

A lot of the note taking for Hungary and the Kronstadt naval rebellion is already done - I just need to to take some extra notes. Once that is done I can simply sit down and write.

Next up will be France in 1921 and the U.S. at the height of the (First) Red Scare.

I'll have a blast covering post-WWI Turkey - it'll be for a RL friend of mine. (Mustafa Kemal Atatürk is their hero)

Been trying to learn Russian in addition to the German I already know.

Does anyone have online access to Zinoviev's Litsom k derevne!: stat'i i rechi: sbornik? (I think that's the one on the soviet revitalization campaign of the mid-1920s - correct?)

Otherwise, can't use JSTOR anymore due to not having access to university WIFI.:(
 
Going to update this timeline after Christmas. Will do what I can, without access to a university library. Next update will cover the U.S., chiefly the Red Scare and a Eugene Victor Debs who plays a prominent role in a stronger Communist movement.
 
Going to update this timeline after Christmas. Will do what I can, without access to a university library. Next update will cover the U.S., chiefly the Red Scare and a Eugene Victor Debs who plays a prominent role in a stronger Communist movement.

Sorry about the lack of an update. Been SO busy with life. I've had a helluva (admittedly hectic but overall eventful) year!

Updates might be disjointed owing to lack of more specific, university library books. Thinking about doing the alternate history backwards, but complete and in order once in the completed timelines section.

Will get three books for Debs bit ASAP. I'm doing this on my own time, so updates will be slow in coming now that I'm taking up greater responsibilities in my personal life.

Also I've been recently working on a novel I plan to professionally publish that borrows from Beneath the Crimson Banner somewhat, but is set in an alternate 1930s U.S. and uses actual characters.
 
Here's (after a year in-hiatus) the part dealing with the U.S., lifted from a novel I've been working on set within the Beneath the Crimson Banner world.

Enjoy!

NOTE: Sources were primarily A History of Utah Radicalism, Eugene V. Debs: Citizen and Socialist, and a smattering of knowledge I've gleaned over the years from books and primary sources.

I will append a second part to this soon.

And yes, I am well aware that its written with an actual character, novelized POV. Decided to change things up a bit, get beyond that rigid thinking I tend to do.

The Day of the People

Eugene Victor Debs had been to Utah before, during his 1904 presidential campaign tour of the Beehive State. Then, the class struggle was hidden; now, it had broken out into full-blown social revolution. Arms outstretched, his lean, angular body bent forwards, Debs began speaking to the crowd of plain-clothed workingmen, soldiers, and sailors in the Salt Lake City Federation of Labor building. The SLC Council of Workers’, Soldiers’, and Sailors’ Deputies delegates whooped themselves hoarse as he did so.

His words broke through their throaty cheers, amplified by a microphone set up at the podium from which he stood: “There’s a new power in this great city, the combined political and economic power of the Salt Lake City Council of Workers’, Soldiers’, and Sailors’ Deputies–your power!” That produced yet more cheers, forcing him to wait for the crowd to grow silent again. He continued, saying “I declare this meeting of the Salt Lake City Council of Workers’, Soldiers’, and Sailors’ Deputies open!”

As the 1919 Socialist candidate for president of the Council of People’s Secretaries, he was given honorary chairmanship over the meeting. The actual council chairman banged his gavel at a nearby table situated below the stage he was on.

After some time, the council chairman banged his gavel down and adjourned the meeting. As Debs was about to leave the hall, a burly State workers’ militiaman came up to him. “Mr. Debs, sir, it was an honor to hear you speak for the first time. I’ve heard from a fellow soldier that heaven breaks when you speak, and boy did it break.”

“Good to know I broke heaven with my words, friend. It’s also good to know that you’ve stormed heaven. You have the looks of a miner. Did you work in the mines before fighting in the war?”

“Yes, I was a copper miner before the country’s bourgeoisie got us into that damned imperialist slaughter. Fought on the Western Front, against the stinking, baby-killing krauts.”

Debs frowned at the militiaman’s prejudiced words. Many a worker still thought not in internationalist class terms, but in terms of the old, racist bourgeois nation-state. Still, the veteran was doing his duty for the new socialist State of Utah. The two men shook hands after having exchanged a few more words. Parting ways, Debs left the Federation of Labor building and melted into the large crowd filing outside of the entrance before catching a bus back to the train station, his bodyguards following him every step of the way.

Hopping onto the train, he settled into a hard-wooden seat. The train rolled on its way to Ogden. As it did so, he couldn’t help but smile, placing a bony hand onto the hat that he wore over his bald head and running his other hand down across his dapper tweed suit. The people’s revolution rolled on its way to final victory, and so would he at its head.
 
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NOTE: Source used was Utah and the Great War: The Beehive State and the World War I Experience.

From Utah and the Great War: The Beehive State and the World War I Experience

Utah, in 1919, was in a constant process of becoming. Since the 1870s, the Beehive State’s non-Mormon population had grown steadily, while roughly 60 percent of Utah’s residents were members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Most of the population resided in expanding urban centers. Salt Lake City and Ogden were the State’s two largest cities, with the capital featuring a rising skyline, an overall growth in its population, and the expansion of the capital’s neighborhoods.

Despite the collective, societal strength garnered from the surge of patriotism washing over Utah in the form of State and Liberty Bonds, victory gardens, and a rousing celebration by returning veterans and residents in SLC at the war’s end, people were afraid.

The production of zinc, silver, copper, and gold was 54 percent below 1918 levels, with major mining companies either closing their mines or laying off workers in large numbers. The price of wheat fell steadily throughout 1919, hurting farmers greatly.

Strikes hit hard. Prior to the seizure of political power by the SLC Council of Workers’, Soldiers’, and Sailors’ Deputies laws came forth from the State legislature which attempted to suppress the inevitable. These laws came in the form of the so-called Red Flag and Sabotage bills, passed by wealthy capitalist legislators.

The Red Flag Law was put forth by capitalist legislator J.E. Cardon, who asserted harshly that his bill was a “warning to agitators that there is no place for them in this State.” It passed easily, with only ten senators against. Twenty-four representatives voted for and only five against the accompanying Sabotage bill, with the former targeting the nascent SLC Council of Workers’, Soldiers’, and Sailors’ Deputies and the latter the syndicalist IWW.

The SLC Council of Workers’, Soldiers’, and Sailors’ Deputies met initially in February 1919, calling for “mass action to build up a real democratic government, a government of the workers, for the workers, and by the workers, to take control of politics and industry out of the hands of big business.” It would send letters to labor unions across the State asking them to join its cause.

Police were quick to act against radicals, using the two new laws to make arrests. The IWW offices in SLC were quickly shut down along with its press, resulting in IWW Solidarity editor Ralph Chaplin complaining to the SLC Council of Workers’, Soldiers’, and Sailors’ Deputies. Calls for a mass political strike were soon issued by the SLC Council of Workers’, Soldiers’, and Sailors’ Deputies followed by arrests made at one of its weekly meetings by plainclothes police officers. Despite the repression the mass political strike, slated for May 1st, 1919–May Day–moved ahead at breakneck speed as unionists, workers, Socialists, and Communists all worked to organize it.

On May Day, in the early morning hours, mail bombs ended up on the desks of attorney Frank K. Necker, reactionary Democratic senator William H. King, and conservative Senator Reed Smoot, killing all three individuals; a bomb also killed Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer, orchestrator of the national Red Scare, however the other thirty-two recipients were left unscathed. The mail bombs were likely delivered by a lone wolf murderer bent on causing mass chaos. The Beehive State was gripped by the May Day strike soon afterwards.

The mass political strike brought the economy and government in Utah to a grinding halt. Despite being a staunch progressive, Jewish and non-Mormon Governor Simon Bamberger was forced to call out the National Guard in response to the unrest. The National Guardsmen, echoing what took place in other States on May Day, fired into crowds of striking workers, radicalizing them further. Many troops joined the strikers, allowing for the formation of a statewide workers’ militia, which soon began taking over control of whole towns and cities which was paralleled elsewhere in the country. New social political and economic power became reality in SLC, with the SLC Council of Workers’, Soldiers’, and Sailors’ Deputies issuing a call to all revolutionary parties and movements to jointly create a “Socialist State of Utah” through the convocation of an All-Utah Congress of Councils of Workers’, Soldiers’, Sailors’, and Farmers’ Deputies in SLC.

The All-Utah Council Congress met in SLC on May 12th, 1919 eleven days after the mass May Day political strike brought down the old bourgeois order. In the interest of unity, the Utah Socialist and Communist Parties agreed to form a working majority, with anarchists, IWW delegates and a smattering of nonparty delegates staying out of the resultant multiparty socialist-communist coalition government while nonetheless remaining highly supportive of it.

The formation of a Utahan Socialist Red Workers’ and Farmers’ Army was announced, while decrees on land and industry were read out to the delegates followed by much applause. Electing an executive committee to act as the supreme legislative and executive power between sessions of the Utah Council Congress and, starting work on a socialist State constitution, delegates to the national Council Congress in Washington D.C. were named as the Utah Council Congress’s last act before closing for the day.

Utah was now a socialist State.
 
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I'm retconning much of the timeline.

The Bolshevik-Left SR Soviet socialist coalition government survives, welded together by the experience of civil war and postwar reconstruction; with no Cheka, there is no unaccountable, dangerous to liberty extraordinary State security organ for the Left SRs to use against the Bolsheviks. The more moderate proposal to streamline the Military Revolutionary Committee is adopted instead.

the Constituent Assembly is still dissolved, but new elections are held to it, producing a healthy Bolshevik-Left SR majority. The moderate socialists are not kicked out of the sovety, with the individual sovet a centerpiece of the new socialist democracy complete with highly competitive, multiparty elections.

The national legislature, the All-Russia Congress of Soviets, is still somewhat weak but the fact that it is full of much debate from a multitude of parties means that it is stronger inevitably than in real-life. Historically, the executive branch, the Council of People's Commissars, was very powerful with no term-limit. Combine an almost all-powerful executive with a weak legislature and no term-limits for Party positions and it was a recipe for tyranny a la Joseph Stalin.

Finally, the Majority Socialist-Independent Socialist Council of People's Deputies in Germany stays intact, with the Independent Socialists serving to keep the Majority Socialists on the Socialist path (in real-life, they were on the Socialist, anti-capitalist path, but they viewed that path as a pathway of moderation and gradualism before eventually abandoning it). The Council Congress still convenes and votes to hold a National Assembly, but the Independent Socialists stay onboard and eventually reemerge with the MSPD/Majority Social-Democratic Party to form a reunified SPD/Social-Democratic Party much earlier in 1919. With both a left- and a right-wing plus its center, the SPD keeps the Weimar Republic on the Socialist path through an admixture of moderate and radical measures. A place is found for the councils in the new government, looking something like Venezuela only applied to 1920s Germany.

Thoughts?
 
I'm retconning much of the timeline.

The Bolshevik-Left SR Soviet socialist coalition government survives, welded together by the experience of civil war and postwar reconstruction; with no Cheka, there is no unaccountable, dangerous to liberty extraordinary State security organ for the Left SRs to use against the Bolsheviks. The more moderate proposal to streamline the Military Revolutionary Committee is adopted instead.

the Constituent Assembly is still dissolved, but new elections are held to it, producing a healthy Bolshevik-Left SR majority. The moderate socialists are not kicked out of the sovety, with the individual sovet a centerpiece of the new socialist democracy complete with highly competitive, multiparty elections.

The national legislature, the All-Russia Congress of Soviets, is still somewhat weak but the fact that it is full of much debate from a multitude of parties means that it is stronger inevitably than in real-life. Historically, the executive branch, the Council of People's Commissars, was very powerful with no term-limit. Combine an almost all-powerful executive with a weak legislature and no term-limits for Party positions and it was a recipe for tyranny a la Joseph Stalin.
I couldn't comment with much authority regarding the US stuff, only that I feel that events have proceeded rather quickly. As for the continuation of the Soviet Alliance, how would you handle Brest-Litovsk or just the general peace process? The Bolsheviks and the Left-SRs obviously had very differing ideas regarding peace with Germany - although check out Ronald Kowalski's 'The Bolshevik Party in Conflict' which details the left communists positions regarding Brest-Litovsk, revolutionary war and such during 1918 and which shows the democratic debates within the Bolshevik party regarding these positions. Honestly, the Left-SRs remaining within the Soviet Alliance essentially changes everything and it would be interesting to see where you take it.
 
From the United Socialist Republic of Germany: A History Chapter One “A Hopeful Beginning”

The Independent Socialists had decided, despite stark disagreements over the future direction of the German revolution, to stay on the Council of People’s Deputies with the Majority Socialists. This gave them clout, allowing them to delay elections to the General Congress of the Workers’ and Soldiers’ Councils from mid-December 1918 until late-January 1919.

Berlin was hit by a general strike led by the Spartacus Group on January 4th prior to the elections. The Majority Socialist chairman of the Council of People’s Deputies Frederich Ebert had every right to feel nervous as he walked ceaselessly around his office. The streets were devoid of police, the guns from the local police headquarters distributed generously amongst liberated political prisoners by the Independent Socialist and new police commissioner Emil Eichhorn. While Karl Liebknecht rallied Berlin’s surging proletariat around the red banner of labor, Rosa Luxemburg worked relentlessly on The Red Flag to get the revolutionary word out with a captured printing press.

The Independent Socialists in the Council of People’s Deputies pressured chairman Ebert into passivity as the general strike spread from Berlin to the rest of Germany. The nationwide general strike pushed electors in the councils over to the side of the Independent Socialists. The result was an Independent Socialist-dominated Council Congress, which finally met in Berlin at the end of January, the troubled capital of Germany having become a labor commune under the radical administration of the Berlin Council of Workers’ and Soldiers’ Deputies.

At the congress, the Independent Socialist Ernst Däumig proudly proclaimed “seventy years ago the poet of the revolution said that the proletariat is called to destroy the old world and build a new one. That task was not fulfilled in his day. But that is our task; that is the demand of this hour and this day.”

The Majority Socialist Max Cohen, finding his party’s position at the congress hopeless, warned against socialization of the means of production, given the fact that there was hardly anything to socialize due to the war-induced economic malaise. His appeal fell on death ears. The delegates voted in favor of accepting Karl Liebknecht’s decree on the socialization of industry, followed by a decree socializing agriculture, the reading out of both decrees being met by stormy applause. Rosa Luxemburg next read out a decree on the punishment of the officers who had led the proletariat into the imperialist slaughter, which passed by a large margin.

The delegates named an executive committee to rule between sessions of the Council Congress, beginning work on a constitution for the new United Socialist Republic of Germany, modeling the preamble after the Soviet Declaration of Rights of the Working and Exploited Peoples before adjourning for the day.

It was now the turn of the Majority Socialists to deliberate on whether to stay in the coalition government, dominated as it was by radical left Independent Socialists. They could leave it and go into opposition, but it would do their party no good to oppose the inevitable. Its cadre pushed further and further leftward by the changing of the guard, The Majority Socialist leadership found itself reluctantly merging with the Independent Socialists, effectively re-forming a single Social-Democratic Party of Germany to head the nascent United Socialist Republic of Germany.

The new revolutionary state was off to a hopeful beginning.
 
Been super busy with college (I'm back in school again!:)), struggling to learn fluent German - its tough! That and a ton of other obligations on and off campus.

I have access to a simply AMAZING, HUGE history section and library, so I will definitely update irregularly, like on weekends.

Its been a long road, getting back to school (given the many challenges I've faced) and also working on my writing, but I'm back.:cool:
 
Got inspired by an old, online newspaper clipping from the NYT from 1912.

Tried to show the schism that would undoubtedly result in a historic Socialist city rendered Socialist again following the TL's May Day Revolution despite WWI-era repression.

I don't think the moderates, even with a multiparty Soviet government in power in Russia, would support a Council Republic. (the Bolsheviks were historically loathed and verbally attacked by Kautsky and co. in Germany and most moderate Socialists in America and Western Europe even when they ruled in a real, democratic Soviet coalition government prior to late-1918's infamous Party-State case in point) Been reading up on evolutionary socialism for an undergrad research paper: lets just say I now see why in Weimar and elsewhere moderate Socialists so easily turned on "Bolshevism"-they were hostile to Red Socialists or Communists long before there was the Russian Communist Party (Bolshevik) in power, at least in the U.S. in the late 1890's.

I could also see how a successful Red revolution could've caused friction between the existing State/society and the new one.

I also think that Turtledove could've have done so much more with the Socialist U.S.-I think its really confusing if one doesn't have solid knowledge of the competing right and left wings of Socialism then, a strong knowledge of the "Sozial Republik" in Weimar I think he was aiming for at least in spirit, and know about just how that Sozial Republik was truly (kinda sorta) Social.

One of the things I am trying to show, via characters, newspaper clippings, fake JSTOR articles, etc. is how complex early 20th century Socialism truly was, something which Turtledove assumed readers would have minute knowledge of-which even for me until ironically because of those books was never initially the case and not to mention for basically everyone who's at least moderately interested in that time period.

The wars of course were nailed though, but I think that was always the point IMHO.

Still fine good books!

The New York Times

“Our City Will Now at Long Last Sell the Ice and More!”

Saratoga, N.Y. May 19th, 1919 Schenectady’s Socialist Mayor, seven years after the Socialized city had first tried to seize the ice, has seen to it that the ice be taken over once again. This time there is no wise judge in the Supreme Court to rescind the wild-eyed decision.

“Our city will now at long last sell the ice and more!” Mayor Lunn was quoted as saying in a press conference to much applause from workers in the audience. “This newly-elected people’s government–put into power by the united efforts of the entire working-class of Schenectady–shall see to it that the capitalists’ property is gradually transferred to the municipality. You did this, you brave workingmen and women!”

The moderate Socialist-dominated city council currently has an uneasy relationship with the rival Schenectady Soviet, with clamors from that lawless Bolshevik assembly to assume supreme legislative and even executive powers. Bolshevized Americans and a few Socialists too in the moderate-held All-N.Y. Council Congress have seen themselves fit to act as the true representatives of the masses. Tensions, nay passions, are high in the N.Y. Socialist State and especially in Schenectady. The mayor, for his part, has thrown his lot fully behind the city council. He has also gone as far as to hold out an olive branch to liberals, with the enticing promise of an electoral coalition. There is a general moderate Socialist-liberal consensus of no compromise with the sizable number of Communists just elected to the city council. It is at present not clear who will win in Schenectady.
 
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March 4th, 1921 marked not just the inauguration of the new United Socialist States of America’s (USSA) first president, but also the inauguration of the era of direct proletarian democracy.

The political revolution, long ago recognized by revolutionary Marxists on both sides of the Atlantic before the Great War as a necessary precondition for Socialism, had come to fruition in America through the council movement.

A side-note, a breaking-up of the narrative to give a few words on my research methods.

The author in this humble endeavor is of the Communist persuasion, and thus makes no bones about “impartiality,” of which there can be no such thing in the study of history. Historians inevitably come with their own prejudices, thoughts, opinions, and beliefs which are colored by the dominant mode of production. All history is ultimately a history of class struggles past and present.

Any errors furthermore found in the resultant narrative by the watchful, critical eye of the student-historian are hereby proclaimed to be the fault of the Social, revisionist historian who’s authored this scholarly piece and no one else’s but their own.

On to the story at-hand.

Our story at-hand brings us to SLC. Following its being put under martial law due to the failed Mormon uprising of 1919, the capital of Utah saw great Social change as the SLC MRC aided immensely the Socialization of the municipality. This Socialization drive, or rather crusade, started with the local press.

The municipal government, prior to the revolution, had completely shuttered the leftist press be it anarchist, Socialist, Communist, or syndicalist, acting not unlike the Russian Provisional Government in Petrograd before Red October.

The Socialist Johnathan Stubbs, head of the MRC which since the revolution had operated out of the strategic Rowland Hall-St. Mark’s School (“Our own little Smolny Institute” he was quite fond of saying, for it served as the HQ for not just the MRC but also the multiparty SLC Workers’, Soldiers’, and Sailors’ Council as well as the Socialist and Communist Party offices), was forced to not just shutter such “yellow, calumnious papers of reaction” as the liberal, anti-Mormon Salt Lake Tribune and the conservative Deseret News but also issue a ban on the Republican and Democratic Parties; both decisions were subject to the approval of the All-Utah Council Congress’s CEC, which would promptly ratify them despite much heated, fractious debate–and dissent–coming from the Socialist Party side of the benches.

Anarchists, Communists, Socialists, the IWW, all revolutionary left-wing parties and movements were swiftly given any presses and assets seized by the MRC, which tried to distribute them fairly and evenly.

As 1919 slipped into 1920, after the fizzing out of the ruling-class’s sorry attempt at waging civil war against the SLC workers, the ban on not just the yellow, bourgeois press had been lifted but also the ban on the “Republican-Democratic Party” as well.

“Let them talk. Heck, better yet let them work with us.” Stubbs was quoted by the Red press as saying, a quote swiftly snapped up by newly-freed reactionary journalists. “That’s democracy in action.” With those words, after the flash of numerous camera-bulbs and the noisome rolling of film-reel, Johnathan Stubbs retired back at Rowland-St. Mark’s from which he would continue to head Social State security until his death at 75 on June 21st, 1951: Ten years before he’d briefly served a stint in the Red Army unit which would go on to seize fascist-controlled Paris in ’45.

His last words uttered weakly on his deathbed to his wife and three children were “all is right, I believe, in the universe.”
 
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