Armenian Israel

King of Rome

Would, in your opinion, The US give support a la Israel to the Armenians for the purpose of perhaps disrupting Russian support to Iran/Syria? Creating a Israel in Armenia might be helpful if something bad happens in Iran.

I know this seems like a stretch, I am just curious.
 
TheLordProtector

TheLordProtector

Yes, but it only has about half (or less than half) of the traditional Armenian lands, the other parts being in one of those tiny little countries in the Caucasus.
 

Falecius

So, the point is recreating Western Armenia? It should be reunited with OTL's former Soviet Armenia I guess.
Well, such a thing was included in the Treaty of Sevres. After that, would mean essentally taking a chunk of Turkish land. Turkey would be rather hell-bent to avoid it. And, well, IOTL, Armenia is usually closer to Russia and Iran than the US in some respects. I don't see much benefit form the US in pissing off the Turks royally to support a Russian ally.
 
iori

iori

Technically speaking their are multiple seperate Armenia's, the 'Greater Armenia' area claimed by Armenian Nationalists, the Republic of Armenia itself (which is part of the latter), Cilician Armenia (part of Mediterannean Turkey and Syria) and then of course the 'Armenian Empire' (which I don't buy the actual size of), which included the R. of Armenia and large chunks of lands that are now part of Azerbaijan, Georgia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria and Turkey.
 

corditeman

Try the Western Ukraine...

...They were fighting the Russians up to the 1960s and could have used the Ukrainian National Army (mass-conscription of ethnic Ukrainians as cannon-fodder for the Waffen-SS - you join or your family suffers). Pavlo Sandruk always struck me as a wily commander. Support the Ukrainian National Republic in Exile and get rival groups aboard. A pain in the butt for Stalin.

...Oops, I used a similar line before...:eek:
 

Snake Featherston

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King of Rome said:
Would, in your opinion, The US give support a la Israel to the Armenians for the purpose of perhaps disrupting Russian support to Iran/Syria? Creating a Israel in Armenia might be helpful if something bad happens in Iran.

I know this seems like a stretch, I am just curious.
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The USA support a Soviet Socialist Republic wanting territorial expansion at the expense of a NATO member? :rolleyes:
 

Incognito

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Snake Featherston said:
The USA support a Soviet Socialist Republic wanting territorial expansion at the expense of a NATO member? :rolleyes:
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I think the OP is suggesting creating an alternative pro-Western Armenian state to rival Armenia SSR for the legitimacy of an Armenian homeland (think West German vs East Germany but with Armenians).
 

Incognito

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And throw Turkey into the Soviet camp? Thats an awful idea!
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Maybe the initial POD could be worst Turko-West relations between 1940s-1960s, resulting in Americans deciding to give a giant "F*ck You!" to them by supporting a breakaway Armenian state?

Another idea: Turkey joins the Axis in WW2. Axis still loose and Turkey is divided between U.S.S.R. and West ala Germany. An Armenian state is carved out of the Western occupation zone.
 

polskaGOLA

If we won the war(in a TL where Turkey joined the axis), then who cares what Turkey thinks. They will be forced to ally with us.

Even better, during or after the Nuremburg trials, there could be a similar trial and prosecution of Turkish war crimes in WWII and the Armenian Genocide(I think it was still a major issue at the time) held infront of the worlds eyes. The Turkish nation won't be a problem if they are defeated both militarily and socially/culturally, like Germany.

IIRC, major parts of my homeland were carved out from the Germans at the end of WWII as well. Don't think the Germans complained. ;)
 

Grimm Reaper

It would take a rather bizarre partition of Turkey for the US or UK to wind up in control of the areas claimed by Armenia...imagine the USSR in control of the Rhineland post-WWII but the US and UK holding all of East Germany...
 

Incognito

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Grimm Reaper said:
It would take a rather bizarre partition of Turkey for the US or UK to wind up in control of the areas claimed by Armenia...imagine the USSR in control of the Rhineland post-WWII but the US and UK holding all of East Germany...
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I can see British getting to Turkish Armenian areas if they push north through Iraq and Kurdistan while Soviets are unable for whatever reason to push west from Armenian SSR.
 
iori

iori

Incognito said:
Maybe the initial POD could be worst Turko-West relations between 1940s-1960s, resulting in Americans deciding to give a giant "F*ck You!" to them by supporting a breakaway Armenian state?

Another idea: Turkey joins the Axis in WW2. Axis still loose and Turkey is divided between U.S.S.R. and West ala Germany. An Armenian state is carved out of the Western occupation zone.
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Their's no way that would happen for one very big reason, by the 40's their were only a small amount of Armenians left in Turkey, as in less than 50,000, and a good portion of them were Muslim (hence why they stayed in Turkey), further more unlike the partition of Germany, their were simply not enough Armenians to fill any 'new lands' without causing Armenia itself to become nearly depopulated.
 
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