April 1942 Alternate Indian Ocean

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1100 Hours, 11 December 1942, 150 Miles South of Ramree Island, Bay of Bengal – The last 30 minutes had not been pleasant for Rear Admiral Shima. A RAF Hudson patrol bomber from No. 353 Squadron had spent over 10 minutes playing hide and seek with his combat air patrol as it darted in and out of the intermittent clouds and the radio operators on the light cruiser Kiso picked up several transmissions before it was finally chased away. The Oscars providing air cover to the ships also engaged two Indian Battles from No. 7 Squadron, shooting down one as they retreated to the north. However, that opened an opportunity for a second section of Battles that successfully slipped past the combat air patrol and planted two 250 bombs on the transport Yushin Maru before escaping unscathed. Yushin Maru was not in danger of sinking but Shima feared the attack was a harbinger of things to come.
 
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Well, with cast-offs and hand-me-downs and all those Poms they are hanging with lets just split the difference and say "Walrus". "Waallllrus". Far more comedic value than "Seagull" or "Kingfisher". ;)
Now you got me wondering could USN cruisers, and battleships launch and recover the Supermarine Walrus...
 
Now you got me wondering could USN cruisers, and battleships launch and recover the Supermarine Walrus...

Not sure; the Walrus was much larger in cross section then the floats on USN catapult aircraft. The entire catapult launch assembly, would have to have been rebuilt. Also spares and training of American crews to fly and maintain them, or assign RN personnel to Dry, USN ships.. Hardship pay would be appropriate!
 
USN cruisers were still operating Seagulls throughout 1942 and even into 1943. Many were even brought back into service in late 1943 because the Seamew was something of a disappointment, here is a picture of USS Philadelphia bringing aboard a Seagull in November 1942.

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according to this site: https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2017/05/07/twilight-of-catapult-aviation-after-wwii-pt-1/ , the Seagull served the US cruisers until 1945, with one still serving the USS San Francisco cruiser in 1946!
 
That had to be a bit of tense driving there, even if the haul was short. "Waaalll Captain, you see it was this way....." after the trailer and plane do a slow rollover

Why were they transporting those planes by truck? According to the website photo caption they were being relocated to a lagoon. Which seems to me that the plan was that these Kingfisher float planes would be operated from the lagoon. So why not fly them there in the first place?
 
It looks mighty cold there, maybe at that time the 'lagoon' was frozen!

Maybe, but why? It's the beginning of the Aleutian campaign, June of 1942. Summer in Alaska. If that lagoon isn't thawed out by then it never will be. So why transport float planes to a frozen lagoon? It's really puzzling.
 

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Maybe, but why? It's the beginning of the Aleutian campaign, June of 1942. Summer in Alaska. If that lagoon isn't thawed out by then it never will be. So why transport float planes to a frozen lagoon? It's really puzzling.

They couldn't operate from the ocean (too rough?), hence moving to the lagoon?
 
the Seagull served the US cruisers until 1945, with one still serving the USS San Francisco cruiser in 1946!

As mentioned, with the Seamew a failure, Seagulls stayed on the front line. There is a photo in Larkin's book on US shipboard seaplanes of Seagulls tied down in England, while their pilots flew Spitfires for Neptune/Overlord...

The problem with the Kingfisher's on cruisers was their wings didn't fold. As OS (Observation-Scout) they were intended for battleship use, where hangars and folding wings weren't an issue. The SO3C (Scout-Observation) had folding wings. The Seamew's failure not only kept the folding Seagulls around, but forced Vought's Kingfisher onto ships with hangars, where they either wouldn't fit (under stern hangars) or took up too much space (prewar midships hangars).

The Curtiss SC-1 combined the types, had folding wings and provided a floatplane that had the performance of a Wildcat.

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The Edo XOSE-1 would have been a small folding wing float Observation-Scout ideal for use on cruisers, but the end of the war killed the project.

Thanks for the link.

Regards,
 
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Glyndwr01

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http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files...ine-Spitfire/Supermarine-FloatSpitfireMk9.htm
Spitfire Floatplanes (types 355 and 359)[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_(late_Merlin-powered_variants)
The Spitfire Vb floatplane W3760
With the German invasion of Norway in April 1940 the RAF took an interest in the concept of using floatplane fighters in areas where airfields were not immediately available. To this end a Spitfire Mk I R6722 was taken in hand at the Woolston factory to be modified and mounted on Blackburn Roc floats. Tank tests were carried out at Farnborough, using a 1/7 scale model, it was found that the concept was basically sound, although the vertical tail surfaces would need to be enlarged to counterbalance the side area of the floats. The end of the Battle of Norway and the need for as many Spitfires as possible meant that R6772 was converted back to an ordinary fighter without being flown.[52][53]

With the entry of Japan into the war the concept was revived in early 1942. A Spitfire V W3760 was fitted with a pair of floats 25 ft 7 in (7.8 m) long, mounted on cantilever legs. This aircraft was powered by a Merlin 45 driving a four-bladed propeller of 11 ft 3 in (3.43 m) diameter (3.4 m). A Vokes filter was fitted to the carburettor air intake and under the tail an extra fin extension was added. Other changes included external lifting points forward of and behind the cockpit and a spin-recovery parachute with a rudder balance-horn guard. The Spitfire floatplane was first flown on 12 October 1942 by Jeffrey Quill. Soon afterwards the Vokes filter was replaced by an Aero-Vee filter, similar to that on later Merlin 61 series aircraft, which was extended to prevent water entry, and full Mk VB armament was installed. Two more VBs EP751 and EP754 were converted by Folland and all three floatplanes were transported to Egypt, arriving in October 1943. At the time it was thought that the floatplanes could operate from concealed bases in the Dodecanese Islands, disrupting supply lines to German outposts in the area which relied on resupply by transport aircraft. This scheme came to naught when a large number of German troops, backed by the Luftwaffe, took over the British held islands of Kos and Leros. No other role could be found for the floatplane Spitfires, which languished in Egypt, operating from the Great Bitter Lake. Specifications for the VB based floatplane included a maximum speed of 324 mph (521 km/h) at 19,500 ft (521 km/h at 5,943 m), a maximum rate of climb of 2,450 ft/min at 15,500 ft (12.45 m/s at 4,724 m) and an estimated service ceiling of 33,400 ft (10,180 m).[nb 7].[54]

In the spring of 1944, with the prospect of use in the Pacific Theatre, a Spitfire IX MJ892 was converted to a floatplane. This used the same components as the earlier Mk VB conversions. Jeffrey Quill wrote:

The Spitfire IX on floats was faster than the standard Hurricane. Its handling on the water was extremely good and its only unusual feature was a tendency to "tramp" from side to side on the floats, or to "waddle" a bit when at high speed in the plane.

Soon after testing started the idea of using floatplane fighters was dropped and MJ982 was converted back to a landplane.[55]

Five aircraft were converted:

  • Mk I – R6722
  • F Mk Vb – W3760
  • Mk V – EP751 and EP754
  • Mk IXb – MJ892 [56][57]
 
http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files...ine-Spitfire/Supermarine-FloatSpitfireMk9.htm
Spitfire Floatplanes (types 355 and 359)[edit]


Five aircraft were converted:

  • Mk I – R6722
  • F Mk Vb – W3760
  • Mk V – EP751 and EP754
  • Mk IXb – MJ892 [56][57]

The Spit on Boots!

Thanks for the pic. IIRC the V conversions were intended for the Dodecanese, but the prospective islands being occupied put an end to that.

Float fighters were part of the US Battleline in the 20's. Vought FU-1s and FU-2s (reworked FU-1s) were assigned to VF-2B to protect the battleline's observation aircraft from enemy fighters.

The Dutch had a similar concept for the 1047 Battlecruisers. Their complement would have been four aircraft, two float scouts and two float fighters.

And Grumman had the Wildcatfish on twin floats; the idea was to protect forward bases while landing strips were constructed. The fast work of the SeaBees made the capability unnecessary....

Vought Vindicators, Curtiss SB2C Helldivers and IIRC a Douglas Dauntless all few on floats.

Regards,
 
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Maybe, but why? It's the beginning of the Aleutian campaign, June of 1942. Summer in Alaska. If that lagoon isn't thawed out by then it never will be. So why transport float planes to a frozen lagoon? It's really puzzling.
truck launched aircraft, head into the wind as fast as possible just like a carrier
 
http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files...ine-Spitfire/Supermarine-FloatSpitfireMk9.htm
Spitfire Floatplanes (types 355 and 359)[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_(late_Merlin-powered_variants)
The Spitfire Vb floatplane W3760
With the German invasion of Norway in April 1940 the RAF took an interest in the concept of using floatplane fighters in areas where airfields were not immediately available. To this end a Spitfire Mk I R6722 was taken in hand at the Woolston factory to be modified and mounted on Blackburn Roc floats. Tank tests were carried out at Farnborough, using a 1/7 scale model, it was found that the concept was basically sound, although the vertical tail surfaces would need to be enlarged to counterbalance the side area of the floats. The end of the Battle of Norway and the need for as many Spitfires as possible meant that R6772 was converted back to an ordinary fighter without being flown.[52][53]

With the entry of Japan into the war the concept was revived in early 1942. A Spitfire V W3760 was fitted with a pair of floats 25 ft 7 in (7.8 m) long, mounted on cantilever legs. This aircraft was powered by a Merlin 45 driving a four-bladed propeller of 11 ft 3 in (3.43 m) diameter (3.4 m). A Vokes filter was fitted to the carburettor air intake and under the tail an extra fin extension was added. Other changes included external lifting points forward of and behind the cockpit and a spin-recovery parachute with a rudder balance-horn guard. The Spitfire floatplane was first flown on 12 October 1942 by Jeffrey Quill. Soon afterwards the Vokes filter was replaced by an Aero-Vee filter, similar to that on later Merlin 61 series aircraft, which was extended to prevent water entry, and full Mk VB armament was installed. Two more VBs EP751 and EP754 were converted by Folland and all three floatplanes were transported to Egypt, arriving in October 1943. At the time it was thought that the floatplanes could operate from concealed bases in the Dodecanese Islands, disrupting supply lines to German outposts in the area which relied on resupply by transport aircraft. This scheme came to naught when a large number of German troops, backed by the Luftwaffe, took over the British held islands of Kos and Leros. No other role could be found for the floatplane Spitfires, which languished in Egypt, operating from the Great Bitter Lake. Specifications for the VB based floatplane included a maximum speed of 324 mph (521 km/h) at 19,500 ft (521 km/h at 5,943 m), a maximum rate of climb of 2,450 ft/min at 15,500 ft (12.45 m/s at 4,724 m) and an estimated service ceiling of 33,400 ft (10,180 m).[nb 7].[54]

In the spring of 1944, with the prospect of use in the Pacific Theatre, a Spitfire IX MJ892 was converted to a floatplane. This used the same components as the earlier Mk VB conversions. Jeffrey Quill wrote:

The Spitfire IX on floats was faster than the standard Hurricane. Its handling on the water was extremely good and its only unusual feature was a tendency to "tramp" from side to side on the floats, or to "waddle" a bit when at high speed in the plane.

Soon after testing started the idea of using floatplane fighters was dropped and MJ982 was converted back to a landplane.[55]

Five aircraft were converted:

  • Mk I – R6722
  • F Mk Vb – W3760
  • Mk V – EP751 and EP754
  • Mk IXb – MJ892 [56][57]

Now that is a lovely Amphibian
 
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