An Age of Miracles Continues: The Empire of Rhomania

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Basileus444, Apr 30, 2015.

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  1. HanEmpire Delicious

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    I hope Demetrios starts a tradition wherein the Imperial Family sends its youth into Tax Collection and Banking. OTL nobility became way too mired in military prestige/elan in my opinion.

    @Basileus444 how's the Plethon-Medici clan doing these days? Do they still call themselves "Medici" or did the Italian connection fade away?
     
  2. Antony444 Well-Known Member

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    Well, Demetrios Sideros is considered glamorous...by the administrators and the tax collectors. To each their own...

    Ibrahim is going to have to face an ugly situation. I mean, yes he knew this was just a truce, not a real peace, but seeing the Rhomanian armies come back so fast at his frontiers is not going to be a pleasant experience.
    Demetrios is likely to abdicate as the truth expires, leaving the 'Ottoman punishment' and the rebirth of the Empire to his son Odysseus.
     
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    I remember reading this timeline back in 2013, great to see that it is still going strong. The story of the Roman Empire is still as fascinating and well written as it was back then. I do have one question though, what do the Romans of this timeline think of their classical pagan forebears? Do they consider Augustus their first emperor, and what are their thoughts on the Roman Republic?
     
  4. Evilprodigy Evil Overlord of NWCG Donor

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    I didn't see any mention of property taxes or land tax, which is interesting.

    Has the potato come to the Aegean yet? That could really help with the food situation.
     
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  5. Albert Blake Gott Mit Uns

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    I remember something about the potato in the Nova Scotia update, maybe the answer’s there?
     
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  6. Israel_Dan the Man Well-Known Member

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    Hello, I just finished reading and this is a fantastic timeline. I was wondering if there could be an up to date map of Europe and possibly Asia?
     
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  7. Flavius Phocas Well-Known Member

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    IOTL as it usually goes, it often depended on the context and use of the building in question, although overall I would say they fared better than the rest of Europe. To take Athens as an example, the Parthenon was well maintained while it was a church. The Parthenon had burned in the 3rd Century, and it's original roof/interior was long gone, but the rebuilt version by Julian was still in good shape as a church. There's no indication of it being in ruins until the Venetians blew it up in the 17th Century.

    Temples that weren't converted into churches were often closed and later recycled for building materials (The Hagia Sophia for example has most of its marble revetment and columns taken from Ephesus). However this doesn't mean that the medieval Romans had no reverance for their Pagan past. Constantinople, as is mentioned numerous times in the Patria was decorated with a massive amount of Pagan statues. The Hippodrome had a massive bronze statues of Herakles by Phidias, the Melitine Gate the Emperors used to enter the Augustaion was decorated with Gorgon heads, the Forum of Constantine contained statues of Apollo/Athena and the Senate House there had bronze doors depicting the battle of the Titans.

    Roman authors from this time often had interesting excuses for this preservation of what they would see as a demonic and heathen past. Constantine of Rhodes tried to reconcile the Forum of Constantine's Pagan imagery by claiming that Constantine brought these pagan decorations there to be mocked. He also, seemingly deliberatly, goes out of his way to avoid talking about the massive personification of Constantine as Sol Invictus at the center of the forum. Probably failing to reconcile the pious St. Constantine with this prominent portrait of him.

    There were also many legends associated with Pagan statues. A popular one was that if you stared at them for too long something unfortunate might happen to you (one example states that a statue fell on top of someone and killed him, because he stared at it for too long).

    In short; the Christian Romans would often preserve historic structures as long as they were given a suitable use/purpose. Even Pagan statues would be preserved and even respected as long as they served a purely decorative/historic purpose and were not worshipped.
     
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    That's very sophisticated taxation system. Are taxpayers charged at a flat rate as per their income? Or is it more like progressive taxation?
     
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  9. Βοανηργές Well-Known Member

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    I remember that the government ceased to function ages ago. However, the people should still be present even if they have migrated to greener pastures like South-East Asia where they may have come into contact with the ship lords.
     
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  10. Evilprodigy Evil Overlord of NWCG Donor

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    Good question, though I'm not sure an early-modern state could have something as sophisticated as progressive taxation. That'd require so much bureaucracy and paper it might not be worth the effort until computers.

    Not government, civilization. The people have reverted to hunting, gathering, and small scale agriculture. The people are still there but what they have is not sophisticated enough for shipbuilding industries to allow migration.
     
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  11. HanEmpire Delicious

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    They lost the concept of currency. The Wu are a bunch of primitives now.
     
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  12. Albert Blake Gott Mit Uns

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    To have fallen so low, was there any chance of their state surviving?
     
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  13. Evilprodigy Evil Overlord of NWCG Donor

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    The state is long dead.
     
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  14. Albert Blake Gott Mit Uns

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    I know that but could it have survived is what I’m asking.
     
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    If they are primitives however do you figure the state would still be about?
     
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  16. Albert Blake Gott Mit Uns

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    Sorry, what I mean to say is could the state have survived if it hadn’t collapsed when it did.
     
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  17. Duke of Nova Scotia Didn't go to Alberta to become a Millionaire.

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    Before the end of the Fools Peace, the potato is established in western anatolia, but that's all I can say.
     
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  18. Albert Blake Gott Mit Uns

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    Im guessing fools peace is regarding the Ottomans
     
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    The War of Wrath + booming potato driven population + booming economy driven by D3’s reforms + good leadership.

    Looks like all the right pieces are in place for the reign of Odysseus I Megas.
     
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  20. HanEmpire Delicious

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    Romans have good relations with Mexico too. That means they have access to so many different types of potatoes. Just potatoes galore.
     
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