that looks like a design that is in need of outriggersThey put them on 5 ton trucks because the mounts are ten feet tall.
that looks like a design that is in need of outriggersThey put them on 5 ton trucks because the mounts are ten feet tall.
The T-28 TDHow would have Object 279 fared in combat had the Soviets decided to go through with mass production of the four tracked, 60 ton heavy tank?
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Did any other country have 4 track tank designs?
Naval mounts on land platforms are not a new idea.They put them on 5 ton trucks because the mounts are ten feet tall.
From what I read, the only reason Object 279 wasn't massed produced was because:It was designed to survive a nuclear blast and be unflippable. It worked apparently but not to the point where it overcame other problems such as you have outlined.
The hull sits on top of the tracks so there is a 2 ft gap in between the two inner tracks that gives you access to the inner tracks.On a four track design, how does the crew free up the inner tracks from frozen mud/ice after an overnight temperature drop?
Or, fix a broken inner track, or a broken inner suspension element? Or grease anything on the inner track pair?
Seems obviously unmaintainable, and especially unworkable for winter use.
Assuming that the goal is low ground pressure, wouldn't it make a lot more field-maintainability-sense to just use two wider tracks?
In a good amount of situations the Track would get shot out from under them…How would have Object 279 fared in combat had the Soviets decided to go through with mass production of the four tracked, 60 ton heavy tank?
Obiekt 279 - Wikipedia
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Did any other country have 4 track tank designs?
Wide track links are heavy. Replacing super-wide tracks would be nigh-on impossible because they just can't lift the damn things.But it would make more sense to just have two really wide tracks but idk why they didn't do that.
Weren't there also some British 4" guns mounted on trucks after Dunkirk as improvised SPAT?Naval mounts on land platforms are not a new idea.
My understanding is that the noted French military historian Stephane Ferrard thought that, in the flurry of efforts at field adaptation of available platforms and weapon systems after the May 1940 attack, one or more of these combinations probably was built and fielded, using guns from the commandeered Romanian order at the Hotchkiss works.
This is a Hotchkiss CAMle 1940J dual 25mm autocannon, naval mount, on a Laffly S25TL AWD all-terrain truck.
How would have Object 279 fared in combat had the Soviets decided to go through with mass production of the four tracked, 60 ton heavy tank?
Obiekt 279 - Wikipedia
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Did any other country have 4 track tank designs?
The hull sits on top of the tracks so there is a 2 ft gap in between the two inner tracks that gives you access to the inner tracks.
But it would make more sense to just have two really wide tracks but idk why they didn't do that.
Quad tracks were used because improved terrain permissibility was to be obtained not only through low ground pressure (0.6 kg/cm²), but also low peak pressure below the roadwheels (doubled number of roadwheels) and increasing the perimeter of the bearing surface of the tracks.Wide track links are heavy. Replacing super-wide tracks would be nigh-on impossible because they just can't lift the damn things.
Lovely job, despite the period of hiatus. It looks really good and convincing.Sometimes things just happen... promises are made but then things happen... projects get started; work gets done but then things happen... And eventually so much time has passed that it becomes really awkward, and I end up feeling like a complete arse! So, it has come to pass and having eventually pulled my finger out and completed the model, I can only apologise profusely to @Musketeer513 whom I failed.
Anyhoo, I present the completed model - started back in 2018...
Egyptian Thutmose III: (from an idea by @Musketeer513)
To cut a very long story short @Musketeer513's TL postulated that the Soviet IS-2 tank stayed in production much longer than it did and in favour of the IS-3. Some of these IS-2s find their way into service with the Egyptian Army (renamed Thutmose) and over time go through a series of upgrades eventually leading to AFV in question. In his mind's eye, he saw this final conversion being something similar to the real-life Ramses upgrade of the T-55 but with extras.
Basically, what he was after was an IS-2 with M48/60 Patton running gear, a Continental diesel engine, British L11 120mm gun and various other bells and whistles.
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I had this old IS-2 in my stash but soon realised that it was too far gone (running gear solidly glues in place) to make a suitable donor - so on went the computer and after a quick email to Mr Hannants a cheap Svezda IS-2 was winging its way to Chateau Claymore. I settled on the Svesda model for no other reason than its relatively low price and the knowledge that a good deal of it was going to get chopped up and thrown away.
So, first things first... new running gear and tracks donated from an old Italeri M60 and removal of the old engine deck. Note some addition plastic card required to fill in the enormous gaps where the upper and lower hulls meet...
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New engine deck in place and boxed in and fenders widened to cover new tracks.
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In tackling the turret, I soon realised that there was just no way the big 120mm L11 gun would fit into the basic turret, but I really wanted to keep the feel of the original IS-2. This required some major surgery to lengthen the turret whilst also swapping the crew positions around to match the Western gun. After several failed attempts to do something with the M60 turret I had, I gave it ups as a lost cause and delved deeper into the pit-of-despair that is/are my spares box/es. What I ended up with was an old Centurion turret (so old I have no idea who made it). I used the rear end, heavily hacked and modified but, in the end, a perfect fit and giving me the exact look I was after. All hail Milliput putty for blending the whole thing together.
Gun in place, fenders extended and all the usual extra goodies added, the Thutmose is looking like a believable MBT.
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This is perhaps the most heavily modified whiff I have undertaken without going into the realms of scratch building - great fun. The next stage was the undercoat which helped pull everything together.
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And that's where everything ground to a halt... Five years later (three of which were spent working in the US - not that I'm claiming any credible excuses) and the final paint job...
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Dam impressive build Claymore.Sometimes things just happen... promises are made but then things happen... projects get started; work gets done but then things happen... And eventually so much time has passed that it becomes really awkward, and I end up feeling like a complete arse! So, it has come to pass and having eventually pulled my finger out and completed the model, I can only apologise profusely to @Musketeer513 whom I failed.
Anyhoo, I present the completed model - started back in 2018...
Egyptian Thutmose III: (from an idea by @Musketeer513)
To cut a very long story short @Musketeer513's TL postulated that the Soviet IS-2 tank stayed in production much longer than it did and in favour of the IS-3. Some of these IS-2s find their way into service with the Egyptian Army (renamed Thutmose) and over time go through a series of upgrades eventually leading to AFV in question. In his mind's eye, he saw this final conversion being something similar to the real-life Ramses upgrade of the T-55 but with extras.
Basically, what he was after was an IS-2 with M48/60 Patton running gear, a Continental diesel engine, British L11 120mm gun and various other bells and whistles.
View attachment 868644
I had this old IS-2 in my stash but soon realised that it was too far gone (running gear solidly glues in place) to make a suitable donor - so on went the computer and after a quick email to Mr Hannants a cheap Svezda IS-2 was winging its way to Chateau Claymore. I settled on the Svesda model for no other reason than its relatively low price and the knowledge that a good deal of it was going to get chopped up and thrown away.
So, first things first... new running gear and tracks donated from an old Italeri M60 and removal of the old engine deck. Note some addition plastic card required to fill in the enormous gaps where the upper and lower hulls meet...
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New engine deck in place and boxed in and fenders widened to cover new tracks.
View attachment 868646
In tackling the turret, I soon realised that there was just no way the big 120mm L11 gun would fit into the basic turret, but I really wanted to keep the feel of the original IS-2. This required some major surgery to lengthen the turret whilst also swapping the crew positions around to match the Western gun. After several failed attempts to do something with the M60 turret I had, I gave it ups as a lost cause and delved deeper into the pit-of-despair that is/are my spares box/es. What I ended up with was an old Centurion turret (so old I have no idea who made it). I used the rear end, heavily hacked and modified but, in the end, a perfect fit and giving me the exact look I was after. All hail Milliput putty for blending the whole thing together.
Gun in place, fenders extended and all the usual extra goodies added, the Thutmose is looking like a believable MBT.
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This is perhaps the most heavily modified whiff I have undertaken without going into the realms of scratch building - great fun. The next stage was the undercoat which helped pull everything together.
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And that's where everything ground to a halt... Five years later (three of which were spent working in the US - not that I'm claiming any credible excuses) and the final paint job...
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I don't know specifically of such SP gun systems. 4" naval guns are pretty hefty for truck mounting, though.Weren't there also some British 4" guns mounted on trucks after Dunkirk as improvised SPAT?
Yup, a Divisional marking - which one I can’t quite remember.That is an utterly gorgeous build @Claymore .
What does the Eagle represent - is that a Divisional insignia?