Alternative History Armoured Fighting Vehicles Part 3
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I really like it & it looks very punchy. Plus as you suggest the tank will mainly be used in a troop support role, so throwing a heavier shell or cannister round is likely to be more appealing to the squaddies they are supporting.
That looks like a 100 % hearing impairment for the turretheads that crew that beastie!
Still looks sweet though.
At work.
Thanks for the input.
So.... for clarification.
These images/ideas/designs aren't for past time equipment being kept in service for decades past their inception. Though the amount of history presented in this of such things is fascinating/amazing.
It's more a case of "Covergent engineering".
The Traveller settng takes place in thd far distant future centered around the "Third Emperium". A huge, muti-star spanning setting in which a huge array of different tech is presented. On one lost regressed planet neolithic tools are par fod the course. In another, fusion engines power everything from homes to vehicles to weapons.
Since I'd like to keep the ideas here in the "What if/Alternate" section rather than get kicked over into the "Space-bats and other strangeness" I'm trying to keep things, on the steel surface at least, looking ''Alternate". (^_^)
The rules I have put most 1940-50's stuff at Tech Lvl 5 (With some spikes into TL 6).
The items I'm thinking of are made with TL 10 to 12 engineering but able to be feild repaird with stuff down to TL 5 or 6 (Enough to get it working. Not something to keep it fighting with)
So while the hull looks like an Sd.Fkz, the internals have.... developed on a pace.
Though am still happy to use good 'Old fashioned' slug throwers instead of bright,loud, flashy energy weapons. (^_^)
Much cheers.
@Claymore can I push the friendship and see what the M24-JX looks like with a Scout / Reconnaisance version?
Except the turret is taken from the M 114 A2, utilising a hydraulically powered cupola mounting a Hispano 20 mm gun. Open to other options, but that seemed like a good fit.
since we talked about the AMX13 , would the 20mm turret from the AMX-VCI be an option?
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No problemo… Just to be clear, are you intending the scout version to be turretless other than the 20mm armed cupola?
That's what I was thinking, but open to your informed opinion that better fit the proposed role.
Cool beans, I will look at a few options around the 20mm spec… … … perhaps even a Marder turret? 🤔👍
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Yeah the Marder turret would have a good suggestion, damn you tiny M 24!
Ah ha, the Marder is back in contention (and I’ve removed my previous comment) as I realised I had used the wrong image and the scale was out. I now have a selection of 20mm mounts ranging from very light weight to full turret. I’ll work on them over the next couple of evenings. 👍
and also different eras, the amx one can be used for a 60s upgrade, and the marder one for 70s and later
Of course, the base vehicle we are using for these variants is the M24 NM-116 which itself first appeared in 1973 and did not enter Norwegian service until 1975. So we’re good with a wide range of possible adaptations. 👍
If you're looking for a small 20 mm turret, I don't think there's much smaller option than the HS.30. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schützenpanzer_Lang_HS.30
I've recently learnt that the Soviet Union apparently refurbished its P-39 Airacobras to return them to the US after the war...only for the US to scrap them in port before loading the scrap metal cubes on the ships. Apparently Soviet officials were not happy at all to see their efforts come to naught and cancelled any future plans to return LL equipment, and in particular the M4A2 "Emchas" they had.
Considering how many of those remained and how a lot were of the (76)W or E8-type, I'm curious about the potential such tanks could have had if they suddenly became available for international sale. That would do wonders for any Sherman user desiring more 76 turrets and HVSS suspension units...
Best ending would have been if French Engineer Molinié finally got his wish satisfied postwar with the French being able to field an all-diesel Sherman tank force!
Considering how many of those remained and how a lot were of the (76)W or E8-type, I'm curious about the potential such tanks could have had if they suddenly became available for international sale. That would do wonders for any Sherman user desiring more 76 turrets and HVSS suspension units...
Best ending would have been if French Engineer Molinié finally got his wish satisfied postwar with the French being able to field an all-diesel Sherman tank force!
Et voila! I have been giving your M24-JX Scout/Recon vehicle challenge some thought and I have come up with 4 variants ranging in size and complexity (and therefore cost). I will admit up front that my list/suggestions are by no means exhaustive but rather are limited by the source material (images) I had to work with. I will be more than happy to adapt any other 20mm turret anybody has but it will need to be a good (clear and level) 3-view drawing. I wanted to include @wietze 's suggestion of the late variant AMX-VCI 20mm turret but, sadly, no workable images....
Anyhoo, on to my offerings!
Version 1 is pretty much your initial ask for the M24-JX with a (one-man) M114A2 20mm cupola/turret. Unfortunately I could not find an exact image so made one up from a M114 cupola and a Rheinmetall Mk20 Rh-202 20mm cannon (adapted from a Wiesel image). I have kept the dual feed as it would give the user more flexibility for ammunition selection. The front stowage has been removed and the smoke dischargers relocated as there isn't room on the cupola/turret.
Version 2 mounts the two-man, 20mm turret from the Cadillac Gage V-150 Commando. The turret isn't that much smaller than the original NM-116 and seems like a lot of bother for the diminutive 20mm Oerlikon 204GK cannon that it mounts...
Version 3 mounts the two-man Marder IFV turret mounting the same Rheinmetall Mk20 Rh-202 20mm cannon as Version 1. Still quite a large turret but does have scope for the future addition of AT missiles.
Version 4 mounts the two-man turret from the YPR-765 AIFV which actually has a 25mm Oerlikon Contraves KBA-BO2 cannon but looks the part.
My personal preference is first Version 1 and then Version 4. What do y'all think?
Thank you for the line drawings and, for the other suggestions.
Version 1 looks very compact and, during reconnaissance operations would the Driver & Commander have their heads poking up? Also would SRVs have more aerials - remember I'm ex Navy & land operations aren't my forte.
I didn't even know about the M 113 adaptation with the YPR 765 AIFV, but that works as well. I do like Version 3 since the ability to mount AT missiles appeals to me and, I was originally going to ask to include it in a line drawing, but might put that to the side for the time being.
Also which option is the cheapest to most expensive & which would be easier to domestically convert the vehicles for a country with limited manufacturing experience?
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